N.Y. pending legislation

[Ignacio]

Tell me again where I can buy an EPA certified muffler for my 1962 BMW R600? Exactly. I can't even buy OEM pipes anymore. :angry2:

I think it has to do with a date closer to 1982.....when the EPA did start stamping items on exhaust systems consistently....and is the basis of the Denver legislation. Motorcycles earlier than this, I believe, are exempt.

One can expect when we talk in generalities in these threads without....you know....the actual law in front of us or linked....the conversation will drift.

 

[Jer]

But not based on decibels but just any non oem addition for exhaust. Seems to me that if the exhaust meet standards this is imho discrimination because they do not target automobiles with aftermarket exhaust.

Actually, I think Denver too has the standard that an exhaust be stamped with an EPA marking. An after-market exhaust maker could technically get theirs certified, but it's just cost effective to do so. And one of the reasons jurisdictions do the EPA stamp thing is because of the inconvenience and expense of having to outfit every cop with a certified decibel meter or if they have one for a department to get that meter to the scene.

In fact, I have a possible solution! Make it part of the law that jurisdictions use decibel meters with a reasonable standard AND that part of the ticket revenue they generate goes to buying jurisdictions decibel meters to enforce it.

That way word gets out that loud pipe riders end up paying for the very equipment that is going to nail them. Meanwhile, reasonable level after-market pipe riders don't get popped.

Whaddya think? If I were a legislator I'd find that an attractive option.

Gunny this. I rode a Harley for ten years with loud aftermarket pipes and after it was stolen went to a V65 Sabre and later my 2007 FJR. I still ride with Harley riders and their loud straight pipes and it really reinforces my love for my " Stealth Bike." It will take enforcement to get the loud piipe crowd to give them up.

 

[El Toro]

I still ride with Harley riders and their loud straight pipes and it really reinforces my love for my " Stealth Bike." It will take enforcement to get the loud piipe crowd to give them up.

I like flying under the radar in stealth mode too. Much prefer quiet to loud. I live on a very popular motorycling road.... three doors down from a local Deputy Sherrif. It is not uncommon for folks to come down off the mountain and hit the straight at full throttle. Or in the other direction to come out of the last sweeper and hit the last straight before the climb flying at full throttle, one wheel on the ground.

If the pipes are loud, the "shaif's" attention is attracted, and he can hop in the car and give chase... not for the pipes, but for reckless/feckless/hopefully wreckless driving. He doesn't sit in wait or set up for enforcement, but some guys are just asking for it, and he'll leave the house for them.

Stealth is good.

 

[oldryder]

This problem would go away if the cretins with the offensively loud pipes would grow up. The pipes those morons use are simply the "grown-up" equivalent of the baseball card/clothes pin noisemakers they used to put on their bicycles when they were kids.

It's an infantile expression of "look at how cool I am".

Almost all my bikes have aftermarket exhausts but all of them also are very close to stock noise levels unless I'm seriously in the throttle. They don't rattle the windows in nearby traffic just by leaving a stoplite.

as a riding community we can cut this down a lot if we start treating the offenders like immature kids. eventually, for most, it will cease to be "cool".

 

[wfooshee]

oldryder, most of those guys actually believe that loud pipes are safer. That's their story and they're sticking to it! Apparently if everybody knows you're coming, they won't drive into you. Actual crash data seems to be above their grade level.

 

[Spook]

This problem would go away if the cretins with the offensively loud pipes would grow up. The pipes those morons use are simply the "grown-up" equivalent of the baseball card/clothes pin noisemakers they used to put on their bicycles when they were kids.
It's an infantile expression of "look at how cool I am".

Almost all my bikes have aftermarket exhausts but all of them also are very close to stock noise levels unless I'm seriously in the throttle. They don't rattle the windows in nearby traffic just by leaving a stoplite.

as a riding community we can cut this down a lot if we start treating the offenders like immature kids. eventually, for most, it will cease to be "cool".

Bet you say that to all the bikers you meet. Tell ya what I let you know where the Bandidos club house is if you are ever in town so you can show your superiority off to them in person.

 

[Brodie]

Tell me again where I can buy an EPA certified muffler for my 1962 BMW R600? Exactly. I can't even buy OEM pipes anymore. :angry2:

I think it has to do with a date closer to 1982.....when the EPA did start stamping items on exhaust systems consistently....and is the basis of the Denver legislation. Motorcycles earlier than this, I believe, are exempt.

One can expect when we talk in generalities in these threads without....you know....the actual law in front of us or linked....the conversation will drift.

Tell me again where I can buy an EPA certified muffler for my 1982 Honda FT500 Ascot?

You know... the ones that the header pipes failed at only 5000 miles - the second set replaced under warranty failed in under 3500 miles.
Exactly. I can't even buy OEM pipes anymore. :angry2:

Gunny, Don! Gunny!