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I never have a need to slip the clutch on the Feej, except starting off. In the dirt (on my dirt bike), that's another story.
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I never have a need to slip the clutch on the Feej, except starting off. In the dirt (on my dirt bike), that's another story.
Roost on mates.
How many miles in this bike?
It takes some severe abuse to blow up an FJR. I would like to see the parts that are damaged. These trany's are pretty tough and can take a lot of crap. Just look at the bunch riding them. :blink: I wouldn't be surprised if something failed, besides the rider that is. Take some pics for us.
It takes some severe abuse to blow up an FJR. I would like to see the parts that are damaged. These trany's are pretty tough and can take a lot of crap. Just look at the bunch riding them. :blink: I wouldn't be surprised if something failed, besides the rider that is.
Take some pics for us.wheatonFJR
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I've occasionally found that I've stopped in second gear after a hard stop. I would open the clutch...go "Whoa Nelly!", then work the clutch and gas until up to normal engine operation without lugging it.
Didn't seem to be a big deal to me to do this...
Sometimes especially fun if stopped up hill with traffic waiting behind you...waiting on your ***.
Didn't seem to be a big deal to me to do this...
Sometimes especially fun if stopped up hill with traffic waiting behind you...waiting on your ***.
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My Dad was a perfectionist, an ex troop glider and fighter pilot in WW II, a good driver and motorcyclist who drove a fire truck and operated its pumps for almost 3 decades. I learned to drive on a stick, and we had a dump truck (without syncro) that I'd learned to drive on our orange grove property even before I got my drivers license. Trust me when I say that abusing any part of a drive train, failing to match input and output speeds, grinding gears, lugging an engine or excessive clutch slipping were NOT things I was expected to, or allowed to do after the first time I was advised about the right way. :blink:
At his memorial service in September 2009, I gave a eulogy that included comments about some of his idiosyncracies for the benefit of family and friends who would appreciate it. Learning to drive from him was an illustrative example. In the back of the auditorium were about a dozen active firemen from the LAFD who were of my generation or younger. One spoke for all of them. As somber and numb as I was feeling to that point, he broke me up laughing when he turned to me from the lectern and said something like "I couldn't help but smile at your description of learning to drive the dump truck from your Dad. But if you think it was tough learning to drive from him, I was not much past being a rookie when he taught me pretty much everything I know about driving and operating fire rigs." All who knew my Dad got a good laugh from that.
So Hans, if you feather that damned clutch to control vehicle speed above 2,000 rpm one more time, or if I catch you using it to hold on a hill instead of your brake or failing to match input and output shaft speeds again . . .
YOU'RE GROUNDED!!
FOR A WEEK!!!!
and NO -- you cannot ride your motorcycle to the store while you're grounded.
At his memorial service in September 2009, I gave a eulogy that included comments about some of his idiosyncracies for the benefit of family and friends who would appreciate it. Learning to drive from him was an illustrative example. In the back of the auditorium were about a dozen active firemen from the LAFD who were of my generation or younger. One spoke for all of them. As somber and numb as I was feeling to that point, he broke me up laughing when he turned to me from the lectern and said something like "I couldn't help but smile at your description of learning to drive the dump truck from your Dad. But if you think it was tough learning to drive from him, I was not much past being a rookie when he taught me pretty much everything I know about driving and operating fire rigs." All who knew my Dad got a good laugh from that.
So Hans, if you feather that damned clutch to control vehicle speed above 2,000 rpm one more time, or if I catch you using it to hold on a hill instead of your brake or failing to match input and output shaft speeds again . . .
YOU'RE GROUNDED!!
FOR A WEEK!!!!
and NO -- you cannot ride your motorcycle to the store while you're grounded.
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Neil San Diego
One of "...those guys..."
WTF, BeemerDon and Bluesman both agree with me?! Crap, does that mean I'm ghey...?
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The only other thing that comes to mind with the described issues here is that care must be taken to not apply throttle/power until the transmission is fully shifted to the next gear. Seems simple, but jumping on the throttle a tiny bit before the gears are fully engaged as you shift will do tremendous damage to the transmission. I've seen broken teeth, gear dogs worn to the point where the bike or car won't stay in gear and damage to the main and counter shafts, including galling and bent shafts even.
The FJR has a ton of torque, especially at higher rpms. I do understand that you enjoy higher rpms that most for your commuting runs. IIRC from previous conversations, you enjoy a 6k sweet spot. For much of the freeway speed runs, that's 2nd gear. I would expect your transmission to die an early death with prolonged 2nd gear use like that. If you are indeed running your commute primarily in 2nd and 3rd gears, the simple way to ease up a bit on the wear and tear is shift up and keep it in the higher gears. The bike is still very responsive in 4th and 5th gear at 60 mph+. Don't use power to get you out of a jam, use maneuvering and look farther ahead.
Obviously, we are stabbing in the dark to some degree here Hans. Without riding with you we only have your forum posts to give us indications of what might be issues. Take what you can from the discussion, but you can't suck completely at riding or you'd have had issues long ago.
From my experience with the costs of major engine work on the FJR, consider looking for a used engine instead of rebuilding the one you have if it needs major transmission work. $1k will get you a <20k engine w/o too much searching. Good luck.
The FJR has a ton of torque, especially at higher rpms. I do understand that you enjoy higher rpms that most for your commuting runs. IIRC from previous conversations, you enjoy a 6k sweet spot. For much of the freeway speed runs, that's 2nd gear. I would expect your transmission to die an early death with prolonged 2nd gear use like that. If you are indeed running your commute primarily in 2nd and 3rd gears, the simple way to ease up a bit on the wear and tear is shift up and keep it in the higher gears. The bike is still very responsive in 4th and 5th gear at 60 mph+. Don't use power to get you out of a jam, use maneuvering and look farther ahead.
Obviously, we are stabbing in the dark to some degree here Hans. Without riding with you we only have your forum posts to give us indications of what might be issues. Take what you can from the discussion, but you can't suck completely at riding or you'd have had issues long ago.
From my experience with the costs of major engine work on the FJR, consider looking for a used engine instead of rebuilding the one you have if it needs major transmission work. $1k will get you a <20k engine w/o too much searching. Good luck.
wheatonFJR
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dcarver
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JB needs a day or two in the dirt..
..no clutch shifting and gears n' cogs' n'forks n'bearings do just fine
I want to see pix of the carnage - meaning it only takes one part failing or machined incorrectly to cause a real mess in the tranny, aka 'gearburger'..
..no clutch shifting and gears n' cogs' n'forks n'bearings do just fine
I want to see pix of the carnage - meaning it only takes one part failing or machined incorrectly to cause a real mess in the tranny, aka 'gearburger'..
James Burleigh
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Just a quick note to say that I am following these great comments and advice, taking it all to heart, with the serious intent of becoming a better, smarter rider of the mechanical parts that make the bike move briskly forward. My question at the top of this post was serious, and I appreciate the serious (and not so serious ) responses. When I have more time I will respond individually to various posts. Again, thanks! JB
) responses. When I have more time I will respond individually to various posts. Again, thanks! JB
CAJW
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Hans, I second the motion! regarding DC's mention of some dirt time. It's a proven fact that dirt riders make better street riders! (and you thought your post title was provocative!). I've got a DRZ400S for sale and you're more than welcome to come over, we'll go out (I'll ride my other one thank you, not an offer of riding *****) and slide them around on some dirt roads. By the time I'm done with you, you'll be doing clutch-less shifts without even thinking about it! Who knows, you might even end up liking dirt! Seriously, give me a call.
JW
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SkooterG
Purveyor of Crooked Facts
Screw you guys!
A supposed 'friend' took me for my first ever dirt bike ride to the Boulder Rec area northwest of Phoenix about a year ago. Got to ride his KTM325?
I am surprised I am still here to tell the story. I feel very fortunate. That **** KICKED MY ***!!!! After that experience, I consider myself at 45 years old TOO DAMNED OLD to learn dirt bike riding. I am sure I would have loved it as a young, energetic, and limber lad. And with my lack of judgement back then, still probably would have killed myself.
And to think I was worried that little trip was going to ignite a new passion/addiction I couldn't afford! Ha! I never want to get on one those damn things again! :lol:
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CAJW
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Awwww... c'mon Greg! You're as old as you feel! Hans, don't listen to this guy. Remember, this is a guy* who signed up to deliberately ride 1,000 miles plus daily for 11 days??
*(wish I was that tough/crazy, guess I'll just have to continue riding my dirt bike)
*(wish I was that tough/crazy, guess I'll just have to continue riding my dirt bike)
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Duff
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Screw you guys!
A supposed 'friend' took me for my first ever dirt bike ride to the Boulder Rec area northwest of Phoenix about a year ago. Got to ride his KTM325?
I am surprised I am still here to tell the story. I feel very fortunate. That **** KICKED MY ***!!!! After that experience, I consider myself at 45 years old TOO DAMNED OLD to learn dirt bike riding. I am sure I would have loved it as a young, energetic, and limber lad. And with my lack of judgement back then, still probably would have killed myself.
<SNIP>
*****! <_<
...did I just say that out loud?
A supposed 'friend' took me for my first ever dirt bike ride to the Boulder Rec area northwest of Phoenix about a year ago. Got to ride his KTM325?
I am surprised I am still here to tell the story. I feel very fortunate. That **** KICKED MY ***!!!! After that experience, I consider myself at 45 years old TOO DAMNED OLD to learn dirt bike riding. I am sure I would have loved it as a young, energetic, and limber lad. And with my lack of judgement back then, still probably would have killed myself.
<SNIP>
*****! <_<
...did I just say that out loud?
dcarver
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*****! <_<
...did I just say that out loud?
Why yes, Duff, I think you did!
...did I just say that out loud?
Why yes, Duff, I think you did!
wfooshee
O, Woe is me!!
So Hans . . . . You figured out how to ride and leave the clutch lever alone, yet? No clutch except for shifting and very slow (walking speed) riding, OK?
James Burleigh
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