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Congrats on buying a great bike they are a fantastic machine. But... no way is this a machine a beginner should be learning on. There is a high probability of you hurting/killing yourself or others. Sorry but really feel obligated to say that this bike as your first ride is WAY over your head. Park this thing, go buy a nice Ninja 250 or Honda Rebel for at least 3 or 4 months, get your drops and crashes out of the way, learn some control and get some confidence. And before someone writes and says just go slow and you'll be fine, please don't. Just because you or your buddy did the same thing with some 145 hp,150 mph machine is no endorsement for doing this. David, please, PLEASE get some time on an easy to ride bike before going out in traffic where people are trying to run you over and don't care.

 
I understand the concern of learning to ride on the FJR. I am buying the bike as a tool to use for touring. I am not interested in sports bikes, commuting bikes, cruisers or any kind of HD life-style bike. Focusing strictly on the touring segment your choices are very limited. The smallest bike in the segment is the BMW 800 GT. I thought long and hard about it but it is not shaft drive and I am leery of BMW reliability. Of the legitimate touring bikes the FJR is the lightest at 640 lbs - about 100 lbs more than the BMW 800 with bags. Getting a starter bike like a Ninja 250 or CBR250 is doable I suppose but buying and selling bikes is not certainly not my forte. Keeping multiple bikes also doesn't appeal to me.

I live in a large gated community. My plan was to limit my riding to the neighborhood and parking lots until I felt comfortable. I would only move to outside streets when I was "ready", however long it takes. Is this plan feasible?

 
I see from your profile you're not 17 years old. You probably aren't overly interested in exploring the capabilities of your FJR at the risk of your life. Usually a person who has lived as long as you have is very interested in staying alive and got to an age by being intelligent enough not to succumb to the down side of Mr. Darwin's theory. As a middle aged man I guarantee your pucker factor will be inversely proportional to your throttle hand. In other words you don't seem to be on the edge of doing something stupid, like pin it outa the gate.

The FJR is not some unmanageably powerful beast. It is fast but can be quite docile with a very good clutch and lots of torque. Down side, this bike may be heavy for a beginner. Practice low speed manuevering as is your plan. Enroll yourself and the FJR in an MSF course. You'll know when and if you're ready. Something that could really be valuable is to spend time on a dirt bike - in the dirt.

Your biggest danger IMHO is getting rundown by a cage. A texting driver suddenly turning left in front of you will hurt just as much on a 250 as it will on a Feejer. Learn to ride like you're a target and they're trying to hit you. Get an experienced riding buddy. Have fun. Be safe.

Congrats on the new FJR!

 
I understand the concern of learning to ride on the FJR. I am buying the bike as a tool to use for touring. I am not interested in sports bikes, commuting bikes, cruisers or any kind of HD life-style bike. Focusing strictly on the touring segment your choices are very limited. The smallest bike in the segment is the BMW 800 GT. I thought long and hard about it but it is not shaft drive and I am leery of BMW reliability. Of the legitimate touring bikes the FJR is the lightest at 640 lbs - about 100 lbs more than the BMW 800 with bags. Getting a starter bike like a Ninja 250 or CBR250 is doable I suppose but buying and selling bikes is not certainly not my forte. Keeping multiple bikes also doesn't appeal to me.
I live in a large gated community. My plan was to limit my riding to the neighborhood and parking lots until I felt comfortable. I would only move to outside streets when I was "ready", however long it takes. Is this plan feasible?
I realize you are trying to be sensible and applaud you for this. But, this bike will get out of control in a heartbeat. And while puttering around your gated community will give you some needed familiarity with the bike, you need to spend time out on the streets where you are pretty much invisible and people, animals, cars and situations try to kill you. As humans we have a finite amount of attention we can give to something. On a motorcycle we are multitasking all the time. We have all these new hand and foot controls to operate plus a completely new driving experience. You can very quickly become overloaded with input.

I see from your profile you're not 17 years old. You probably aren't overly interested in exploring the capabilities of your FJR at the risk of your life. Usually a person who has lived as long as you have is very interested in staying alive and got to an age by being intelligent enough not to succumb to the down side of Mr. Darwin's theory. As a middle aged man I guarantee your pucker factor will be inversely proportional to your throttle hand. In other words you don't seem to be on the edge of doing something stupid, like pin it outa the gate.
The FJR is not some unmanageably powerful beast. It is fast but can be quite docile with a very good clutch and lots of torque. Down side, this bike may be heavy for a beginner. Practice low speed manuevering as is your plan. Enroll yourself and the FJR in an MSF course. You'll know when and if you're ready. Something that could really be valuable is to spend time on a dirt bike - in the dirt.

Your biggest danger IMHO is getting rundown by a cage. A texting driver suddenly turning left in front of you will hurt just as much on a 250 as it will on a Feejer. Learn to ride like you're a target and they're trying to hit you. Get an experienced riding buddy. Have fun. Be safe.

Congrats on the new FJR!
Being older than 17 and wanting to stay alive really have nothing to do with handing a bike with this kind of performance. While some maturity may prevent a new rider from doing something really stupid like trying find out "What'll she do", there are many young riders who are extremely capable and they got there with experience. I've seen articles reporting an increase in injuries and fatalities to new middle-age riders. Guys who are getting back on a bike or are new to riding.

David, you need to walk before you trying running. I was a DMV licensing examiner for many years and then moved on to being a Driver Safety Hearing Officer. I've given literally thousands of drive tests to new drivers and riders. I stand by my recommendation that you park the FJR for a few months and learn the streets on a small bike. Get a used beat up model around 250-350cc that you don't have to worry about dropping or scratching. You may lose a few dollars on re-sale (probably not much since a lot of people want these for beginners in the first place) but what's your health and safety worth? One day it will save your life. And as mentioned by chiefblueman, dirt riding experience has shown to be an excellent learning tool, dirt riding skills pay big dividends with regards to bike control. I wish you nothing but the best. Good luck to you.

 
Thanks for the explanation about the "home delivery" and you MSF course.

I hope that you aren't too put off by the "rain on your parade" - it is sound advise offered by people who care about you having a good time - and staying safe. Many of us have seen 'new' riders - of all ages - get into trouble.

Your MSF course should have given you an introduction to some of the basics: acceleration, braking, counter-steering, apexs, target fixation, blind spots, etc. - all vital skills to be aware of and to practice, practice, practice.

The reasons for the "old, small, cheap beater bike" are really for your benefit. The price might seem like an unnecessary expense, but here are some huge advantages that make it well worth the investment:

* MONEY! In the course of developing your skills, you WILL DROP IT. Denial won't help. It will happen. (If it doesn't, sue me.) If you're lucky, your first couple drops will be 'driveway drops' or slow speed spills. But WHEN it happens, the damage to your new FJR will be ugly and expensive. The same drop with a 'beater' will be barely noticeable and cheaply repaired.

*WEIGHT There's this thing that I call the "tipping point". You're going slow or even duck-walking the bike and lose balance; you put your foot down to avoid a drop; the bike tips farther and you try to hold it up.

With a 350 lb. beater, you might be able to save it, but the same tip-angle with a 650+ lb. machine... You'll strain a few muscles AND still not be able to hold it up. [see MONEY, above]

* POWER First, you don't need 145 up for rides around your neighborhood, or even for rides around town & shopping centers. Think of a kid learning to play guitar: an amplifier only makes his mistakes LOUDER, it doesn't improve his ability. On a motorcycle the mistakes in the early stages are easier to learn from if they are no "amplified". Smooth acceleration, up-shifting, down-shifting, cornering, and emergency maneuvers are actually easier to learn and practice without 'complicating' everything with a throttle that can suddenly make you forget everything except trying to hold on!

Buy a beater. Park the new FJR until, say, June - or until you've put AT LEAST 1000 miles on the beater in all conditions. First 100 miles, just riding & shifting. Then each time you take it out, spend at least 15 minutes on one skill, such as counter steering, swerving, circles, panic stops, etc. then ride in light traffic, cruise through Wally World parking lot on Saturday afternoon, ride into the glare of sunrise or sunset, practice pulling into a shopping center or gas station without getting rear-ended, etc.

When you've got 500 miles on the beater, take it out of town and learn how counter steering works on a two lane sweeper at 45 mph, at 55 mph.

By the time you've put 1000 highly-motivated training miles on your beater (and dropped it!), start all over again... On your FJR. all of your skills will need to be adjusted for a heavier, more responsive motorcycle... So take your time! After a few hundred miles, you'll be ready to go back to square one and learn it all over with a passenger!

Then wash the beater, sell it to someone else who is as smart at you, and BEGIN enjoying your new FJR!

Trust me. You'll be glad you did!

 
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I bailed on your reply here --> "Thanks for the explanation about the "home delivery" and you MSF course."

 
Congrats on the purchase. I'm going to take what others have said one step further. If you really want to prepare yourself for street riding, get a dirt bike or a true dual purpose bike (not the adventure bike crap -- oh, I also have a Wee-Strom), and ride in the dirt. Get more agressive as you get comfortable. Get the wheels sliding a bit, so that you're comfortable when that happens. Then transition to the street and ultimately to your FJR.

 
Congrats on your purchase.

Another angle. As that you have chosen as i did to start your MC life on a sport touring bike. One difference is I read plenty of material from experienced riders who said exactly what the above mentors have said. So I purchased old, really old sport tourer 1991 Kawa Concours.

Being large strong and young, I felt that I could handle it and take it slow as I am not the wild hair, let it rip fast type of feller.

The biggest component is that these machines are heavy at slow speed no matter how careful and strong you are. I had to pick up the concours a couple times off the concrete at various places. Even after getting into the FJR, I had to pick it up a time or two.

A huge mental issue can develop concerning self confidence in riding a large fast bike. What the mentors are saying is absolutely true. you don't want to lose your confidence in yourself and/or skills before you get started. Many have tried and then they end up placing the bike up for sale. Worse yet, you end up putting thousands of dollars worth of damage on a brand new machine that hasn't been very far.

I understand you saying it is for touring. Well touring is long distance riding, many hours in the saddle. That is when you need those skills to be sharp and at their peak, when your body and mind is weary and tired. Probably not the ovation of welcome that you were expecting, but most everyone on this forum puts safety first, regardless of time in the saddle.

If you are set on this being the one, then please invest in some good frame sliders and any protection brackets available at the current time. Probably not much as this is a new model bike. Please be careful and welcome to the best forum owners group around. Please take the words writen by these menotors, as they speak from an experienced gospel of experience.

 
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I bailed on your reply here --> "Thanks for the explanation about the "home delivery" and you MSF course."
When I composed the thing, it had paragraphs, bullet points and only missed a couple misspelled words.When I hit 'post', it all ran together.

This has happened several times, but not always.

Suggestions?

Edit: I went back and hit "edit". When the post came up in the editing window, I appeared as when I'd originally posted it. I made no further edits.

Thanks for the suggestion!

 
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I bailed on your reply here --> "Thanks for the explanation about the "home delivery" and you MSF course."
Off Topic: Hey RadioHowie, Blow Us!

On Topic: +1, Gunny on the MSF Course, first course of action and the very best recommendation. Once you have your MSF certificate and if Texas allows that to be converted to a Motorcycle Endorsement on your Driver's License (like Arizona does) then consider renting a small bike.

This limits your expenses and will let you know when you are fully ready to pilot the FJR on the road, there are a ton of rental agencies in Dallas.

You happen to live in The Republic of Texas, home base for Moto Discovery in Spring Branch, owned and operated by my friend Skip Mascorro.

Skip runs a number of tours each year in Mexico which are a combination of dirt and street, you could rent a Honda XR 650 or Suzuki DL650 for Copper Canyon. Here's the problem, that I know from past experiences of others regarding "beater" bikes for learning to ride. A. Costs involved with locating the beater, insuring the beater, registering the beater and then fixing all of the problems that the beater bike has: So it is safe for you as a learner to ride on the street. B. Let's face the facts, the reason that the beater is so damn cheap is because something is broken on the damn thing that you are going to have to fix. C. After your training session with the beater is over with you then have to spend your time, effort and energy in selling off the beater. This means that you will have scuzz balls coming to your home wanting to also learn to ride while "testing" your beater. So that you know what a "scuzz ball" is, i have sent you a photograph of RadioHowie by private message!

Cost of of the Tour below would be the equivalent of all of those associated costs of a beater, plus you would return with the street and dirt skills that none of these Florida ******* Flatlanders have going out to Piggly-Wiggly for a six pack! Also, you will have had eight fun filled days with the most amazing motorcycling adventures that are out there today!

 
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Guys, I am heeding your advice. I just bought a used 2012 CBR250R w/ ABS with low miles. I pick it up this weekend. The guy I'm buying it from also purchased it as a "starter bike" and has since moved to something bigger. He characterized it as the "perfect first bike". It should work well.

My FJR will sit in the garage until I get comfortable. Also, to combat the inevitable drops that come with learning, I am on the waiting list for the 2013 Canyon Cages from MC Enterprises. They estimate 6 to 8 more weeks.

As far as gear goes - the pile gets bigger (SHOEI Neotec, Dianese, Sidi) and my wallet gets lighter. I am committed to safety.

I appreciate your help!

 
Guys, I am heeding your advice. I just bought a used 2012 CBR250R w/ ABS with low miles. I pick it up this weekend. The guy I'm buying it from also purchased it as a "starter bike" and has since moved to something bigger. He characterized it as the "perfect first bike". It should work well.
My FJR will sit in the garage until I get comfortable. Also, to combat the inevitable drops that come with learning, I am on the waiting list for the 2013 Canyon Cages from MC Enterprises. They estimate 6 to 8 more weeks.

As far as gear goes - the pile gets bigger (SHOEI Neotec, Dianese, Sidi) and my wallet gets lighter. I am committed to safety.

I appreciate your help!
This is really good to hear. And yes, this is a perfect sized bike to get experience on. Good for you!!!

A little anecdote. Don't know if you know about Kenny Roberts but he was one the top racers out there in his time, 70s and 80s. He was a factory rider for Yamaha, started on dirt bikes and went on to being Yamaha's top road racer of his era, and he eventually became the team manager for their racing program. Well, one of his training methods was to take his road racers out to his ranch near Modesto where he had a dirt race course, and put them on Honda XR100s. Mind you, these were guys who already had racing experience on the pavement. Not until they could ride those little XR100s flat out would he then put them back on a street racer. The effect of this type of training was to give these guys confidence and control when the bike started sliding around.

The point of this is to say get as much experience as you can on your 250. Ride that thing until you really outgrow it, until you can ride that thing through traffic without thinking about how to use the brake, clutch and throttle, until doing that stuff is just a natural extension of your thoughts. Then you can give a lot more attention to all the hazards presented to you with cars etc coming at you. Go somewhere safe and practice panic stops, emergency swerves, all that stuff that you need to do without really having to think about it. All this practice is to buy you the few milliseconds you will need to respond just that little but faster. And, you'll still have fun.

Again, well done!!

 
Guys, I am heeding your advice. I just bought a used 2012 CBR250R w/ ABS with low miles. I pick it up this weekend. The guy I'm buying it from also purchased it as a "starter bike" and has since moved to something bigger. He characterized it as the "perfect first bike". It should work well.
My FJR will sit in the garage until I get comfortable. Also, to combat the inevitable drops that come with learning, I am on the waiting list for the 2013 Canyon Cages from MC Enterprises. They estimate 6 to 8 more weeks.

As far as gear goes - the pile gets bigger (SHOEI Neotec, Dianese, Sidi) and my wallet gets lighter. I am committed to safety.

I appreciate your help!

I wouldn't characterize it as the 'perfect' first bike, but it's a hell of a lot better than an FJR. Kudos to you for listening, accepting, and following through with the advice you have been given. There's no doubt in my mind that 6 months from now you will agree that it was best. You'll have fun on that little 250, and most likely sell it for damn near what you paid for it.

Congrats on having multi bikes in the garage!

 
Beemerdons - Thanks for the heads up on MotoDiscovery. I am definitely going to check them out!
https://www.motodiscovery.com When you talk to Moto Discovery, mention you are friends of Don Stanley. Congratulations on your new Honda for learning purposes, that will serve you well in getting up to riding speed for your FJR.

https://www.fjrforum.com/forum//index.php/topic/150029-lodging-thread-for-the-july-22-26-colorado-cluster/page-1 A day's ride from Dallas, Tejas on July 22 starts a five day Colorado Rockies FJR Forum Adventure (Rolling Clusterfuck!), all of the info is in these two links. https://www.fjrforum.com/forum//index.php/topic/149823-rolling-colorado-rockies-fjr-ride-july-22-26-2013;-bag-the-high-passes;-estes-park-leadville-gunnison-silverton-overnights;-no-rally-fees-fun/

 
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Guys, I am heeding your advice. I just bought a used 2012 CBR250R w/ ABS with low miles. I pick it up this weekend. The guy I'm buying it from also purchased it as a "starter bike" and has since moved to something bigger. He characterized it as the "perfect first bike". It should work well.
My FJR will sit in the garage until I get comfortable. Also, to combat the inevitable drops that come with learning, I am on the waiting list for the 2013 Canyon Cages from MC Enterprises. They estimate 6 to 8 more weeks.

As far as gear goes - the pile gets bigger (SHOEI Neotec, Dianese, Sidi) and my wallet gets lighter. I am committed to safety.

I appreciate your help!
Outfreakingstanding!

I can't tell you how often I see someone riding a bike with "paper plates" (i.e. a brand new bike) and cringe as I see the rider operating on the edge of control. I silently hope that it's not a complete noob, but rather an experienced ride with a little too much adrenalin and not enough hours into the "honeymoon".

I'm so pleased to hear that you're taking the long road to a longer future.

 
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