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Electric cars have been around over 100 years, and they're STILL not efficient!!

You would think in that time someone would invent a battery system that would run all day on a single charge, but they haven't and the cars themselves are too expensive!

 
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As ionbeam let on, I am a (forced) early adopter of electric vehicle technology. The (very large) company that I work for recalled all of the nice, roomy full size sedans it had previously in its fleet and required us to accept one of three Plug-able Hybrid EVs. The choices were, Chevy Volt, Toyota Prius or Ford CMax Energi. I went with the Ford as the combined range and passenger space were the largest.

It is definitely some interesting technology and even in its infancy has a definite application in today's world. Unfortunately, I am not the appropriate person to fully take advantage of it. Pluggable Hybrids, unlike the regular hybrids, have much larger batteries for use in storing a charge off the utility grid. But even with the batteries taking up about half of what would be the storage trunk space, the Energi only has a range of about 20-24 miles on a full charge, after which it reverts to regular hybrid mode. In regular hybrid mode the Energi does average ~45 mpg, which gives a range of well over 500 miles from its relatively small 13 gallon tank. It has available power of nearly 200 hp combined electric and gas engine power (you can use both power sources simultaneously), so it feels pretty much like any other car except for the electric smoothness, and is not particularly sluggish.

Recharging the high voltage storage battery is about a 5-6 hour proposition at 110VAC, or half of that at a 220VAC charge station. I charge mine overnight at 110 as I have not installed the wiring for 220 in the garage. Comparing my utility bills from last year before I got the Energi to present I cannot see any significant increase in KWH.

The ideal user of one of the PHEVs would have a round trip commute of 20 miles or less, or if longer would have charging stations available where they work. In that way you could run off of straight electricity the vast majority of the time. That and making little trips around town you end up using no gasoline at all. There is actually a feature in the car that tracks how long the fuel has been in the tank and forces the gas engine to run after a few months to get any stale gas out.

As mentioned, I am not an ideal PHEV user. I have a zero mile commute, and when I do use the vehicle for work it is generally at least a 100 mile round trip, typically to a location with no charging station. Still, I am averaging better than 45 mpg overall so the hybrid technology is not a total waste.

 
ionbeam sez: Remember the old Colman camping lanterns? The mantels used in those lanterns were made from thorium which produced the bright white light.

Thorium-Fueled Automobile Engine Needs Refueling Once a Century

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There are now over one billion cars traveling roads around the world directly and indirectly costing trillions of dollars in material resources, time and noxious emissions. Imagine all these cars running cleanly for 100 years on just 8 grams of fuel each.

Laser Power Systems (LPS) from Connecticut, USA, is developing a new method of automotive propulsion with one of the most dense materials known in nature: thorium. Because thorium is so dense it has the potential to produce tremendous amounts of heat. The company has been experimenting with small bits of thorium, creating a laser that heats water, produces steam and powers a mini turbine.

Current models of the engine weigh 500 pounds, easily fitting into the engine area of a conventionally-designed vehicle. According to CEO Charles Stevens, just one gram of the substance yields more energy than 7,396 gallons (28,000 L) of gasoline and 8 grams would power the typical car for a century.
The idea of using thorium is not new. In 2009, Loren Kulesus designed the Cadillac World Thorium Fuel Concept Car. LPS is developing the technology so it can be mass-produced.

Wider Implications of Thorium
According to Robert Hargraves, low or non-CO2 emitting energy sources must be cheaper than coal or will ultimately fail to displace fossil fuels. The United States uses 20% of the worlds energy today and, according to Hargraves, if it cut its CO2 emissions to zero, 80% produced by other countries would still be a problem. With CO2 emissions climbing seemingly beyond all bounds, pessimism is rampant and bold ideas are needed.

Thorium may also be the answer to the worlds nuclear energy conundrum and Wikipedia provides some of its advantages:

  • Weapons-grade fissionable material (233U) is harder to retrieve safely and clandestinely from a thorium reactor; this means, for example, Iran could be asked to develop only a thorium based reactor, virtually eliminating the issue of nuclear weapon development.
  • Thorium produces 10 to 10,000 times less long-lived radioactive waste;
  • Thorium mining produces a single pure isotope, whereas the mixture of natural uranium isotopes must be enriched to function in most common reactor designs. The same cycle could also use the fissionable U-238 component of the natural uranium, and also contained in the depleted reactor fuel;
  • Thorium cannot sustain a nuclear chain reaction without priming, so fission stops by default in an accelerator driven reactor.
Hargraves sees factories and other industrial concerns using thorium as well. Stay tuned as we track this idea and its development.

ionbeam sez: There seems to be a lack of data or scientific peer reviewed reports, show me the data. My advice is not to invest in this re-spin of cold fusion just yet
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Except the power plant where you derive your electric is most likely coal fired...Which means, the electric you use is just as dirty as gasoline.

This is the problem I see with electric cars. People believe electric is magic and do not understand it has to be generated somewhere. Earlier I jokingly suggested we run cars with nuclear power, like submarines and battle ships. I don't really think that would result in nuclear explosions, but it would take nuclear energy out of the government's hands and any dummy (terrorist) could try to convert that. Probably not a good idea.

What I honestly think is a good idea is eventually going to all nuclear powerplants. Coal fired plants would stop polluting the planet, and the nuclear waste/fuel would be controlled. This is not 1970 anymore, and we need to do something else.

Sort of off topic, but still on, considering I think until electrical power plants are either wind, water, or nuclear powered, we are just moving the pollution from on source to the other by going to electric cars. I honestly don't know if water will hold up for too much longer and wind technology needs to get better. Nuclear is very well documented and we should be utilizing it much more.

Edit: I was referencing Fred's post...Alan just happened to jump between us. I can't wait to buy my first Coleman car!!

 
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ionbeam sez: Remember the old Colman camping lanterns? The mantels used in those lanterns were made from thorium which produced the bright white light.
Just checked my calendar and (unfortunately) I haven't hibernated away the winter to April 01.

 
Except the power plant where you derive your electric is most likely coal fired...Which means, the electric you use is just as dirty as gasoline.
Oh I fully agree. Electricity is not an energy source at all. It is merely a means of energy transfer. How the utility generates that electricity is what matters from an environmental standpoint. I was just pointing out the current economy of electric propulsion as compared to traditional fuels.

It should be easier to use ultra clean burning technology at a large centralized generator location rather than in every vehicle that burns hydrocarbon fuels now. I guess another advantage of electricity is that if we are serious about reducing pollutants and conserving resources, having a centralized energy source provides even more incentive to improve that technology.

But then there are also the battery disposal / recycling issues of current electric vehicles. There is clearly no free lunch.

Re: waiting for the thorium powered vehicle, I'm still waiting for the device that the mad scientists invented that burns H2O. You know... the one that the big automakers bought the patent rights to so they could hush it's existence up?

 
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ionbeam sez: Remember the old Colman camping lanterns? The mantels used in those lanterns were made from thorium which produced the bright white light.
Just checked my calendar and (unfortunately) I haven't hibernated away the winter to April 01.
Earlier post now edited with a roll-over to clarify. I was going to hold this ditty for 04/01 but couldn't wait.

 
So, do you drive your electric car into a car wash? Stop under an underpass if it rains? Call 911 if you spill a cup of coffee into it?

Things you just gotta know...

 
I just watched a vid on the internet from MSN News, there was an interview with a Oklahoma Billionaire oil executive.

He said the U.S. is producing 50% more oil than it did just 5 years ago, that's one reason why oil prices are falling according to him.

He also said the U.S. has more oil now than Saudi Arabia due to new discoveries and new trechnology which allows us to drill deeper and in different ways.

He mentioned slant drilling and "fracking"

Vid also showed a Marine that could not find work here in California moved to Oklahoma to work on a oil rig, starting salary....$65,000 a year......to start!!

 
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