Pterodactyl
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Heard a rumor that Yamaha may release a down sized Tenere next year. Something in the 8-900cc range. Is this just a rumor or has anyone else heard something?
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Greg 03
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I'd like the smaller one they have in Europe...
https://www.yamaha-motor.eu/eu/products/motorcycles/adventure/xt660z-tenere-abs.aspx
https://www.yamaha-motor.eu/eu/products/motorcycles/adventure/xt660z-tenere-abs.aspx
FJRacer
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DennisJ
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There are a lot of roads I bypass on the FJR that the little Tenere looks really nice for. I sat on the Super at the IMS a couple of years ago in Seattle and learned that I have s short inseam. No problem with the FJR sitting on the Tenere left me looking for the floor. Real eye opener
nankoweap
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I'd buy one for a number of reasons. Primarily because it's an excellent bike and I'd like to support Yamaha's move to make it available in the US. Plus, the SuperT and FJR would like a little company.
Bugnatr
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At 475 lbs the little T isn't so little. Too bad I'd upgrade my Gen 1 KLR to the T in a heart beat if it was 100 lbs lighter.
Denver_FJR
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Something in the 8-900cc range? Shazaam! One of my first thoughts when I saw the FZ9 was that triple motor would be perfect in a mid-size dualsport bike.
XT660 is a single cylinder thumper. Not too many folks who cover a lot of miles adventure touring would want to do that on a single.
A 2 or 3 cylinder adventure bike in the mid sized displacement (650-1000cc) has a lot of appeal to a lot of folks. If they came out with an 800 or 900 Tenare it would probably sell well. But why wait for Yamaha to come out with one when they are already available from other manufacturers now? I don't think that Yamaha is any better or worse than Suzuki (thinking of the Vstrom here). And if you were feeling flush there are lots of options from BMW and KTM.
A 2 or 3 cylinder adventure bike in the mid sized displacement (650-1000cc) has a lot of appeal to a lot of folks. If they came out with an 800 or 900 Tenare it would probably sell well. But why wait for Yamaha to come out with one when they are already available from other manufacturers now? I don't think that Yamaha is any better or worse than Suzuki (thinking of the Vstrom here). And if you were feeling flush there are lots of options from BMW and KTM.
AVGeek
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Yamaha did introduce a 800-900cc twin as I recall, not long after the triple broke cover in the FZ-09 (MT-09 in the rest of the world). There are a lot of rumors swirling around about the Tenere line, but given how "hot" the adventure category is currently, I wouldn't be surprised by a refresh of the 1200 and the introduction of a mid-sized Tenere.
And Yamaha Canada is poised to introduce the 2014 Super Tenere tomorrow...
And Yamaha Canada is poised to introduce the 2014 Super Tenere tomorrow...
If Yamaha really want the S10 to compete with the BMW GS they need to put it on a serious diet and give the engine some steroids.
The BMW GS is 36 lbs lighter (also carries its weight lower) and has 20 more horsepower that the S10.
Yes, it costs 4 grand more, but over the length of ownership that ends up not being much and many folks would gladly pay for the better performance.
The BMW GS is 36 lbs lighter (also carries its weight lower) and has 20 more horsepower that the S10.
Yes, it costs 4 grand more, but over the length of ownership that ends up not being much and many folks would gladly pay for the better performance.
beemerdons
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+1, Gunny; you're preaching to the Choir Freddie Bear, I was shocked that Yamaha did not surpass the Beemer GS in weight reduction and the horsepower race.
I love Yamaha, no two ways about it. I also love Bayerischen Motoren Werke, but for my off road needs I'll go with the manufacturer putting out HP with less lbs.!
Tus Papa Chuy was shocked Mama Yamaha didn't beat up BMW on both counts of light weight and more horsepower since they started with clean sheet design!
MCRIDER007
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You are missing the point of a big adventure touring bike.....most of which are loaded down like pack mules when they are used what they are designed for. If you want a street legal trail bike, buy one, don't buy a big adventure touring bike. As for horsepower, I rode a 2013 Multistrada back to back with my Tenere last summer and it definitely has an engine with steroids....putting those steroids to use was another matter. It was great to pass a string of cars at 90+ on a open highway but when riding between 3-6K rpms, where you actually use these bikes, the engines made the same power, the only difference was that the Tenere's engine was smoother and doesn't cost $1000 for a 15K service.
If you want to spend an extra 4 grand for the BMW, do it, but you should also factor in the difference in maintenance costs because a Tenere is just like an FJR when it comes to maintenance, and you should also factor in the $950-1,000 cost for BMW's extended warrenty as part of the purchase because you would be a fool not to buy it. Why does the BWM extended warranty cost so much? Because it is worth it!
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I disagree unless you use the bike for mostly street riding (for that I have my FJR). For off road, all the hot shot bikes have a drive mode that limits horsepower (KTM, Duc Multi) to about the Tenere's level. I have not been in an off-road situation where my Tenere didn't have enough power. Nor have I been in an off-road situation where the weight caused me trouble. Of course, I try to keep the ST out of situations where it doesn't belong because it's not little. I do love the bike though and believe it does a great job in its category.
As to the current GS, it appears to be a great bike but the absence of 35 pounds and having more hp than a Tenere wouldn't make me go launching off jumps or dodging trees on single track with it. It wouldn't cause me to use it any differently than I use my Super Tenere. Plus, our BMW dealer went **** up about a year and a half ago (he was just dishonest, no reflection on the brand or bikes) and BMW hasn't been able to replace him.
I rode an FZ-09 yesterday and while that bike and engine are great, I think the triple is poorly suited to off-road use just by its width. If Yamaha brings forth a modern, lighter version of the TDM's of the early 90's aimed at more serious off-road riding, there may be a bunch of folks who would buy something like that. Maybe Yam will make it racy, fast and light and leave the 1200 Tenere where it is. It'll be interesting to see where it all shakes out Monday.
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Pterodactyl
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I've got nearly 80K on BMW 1200cc boxers in the past 5 years. Not one warranty claim. The R1200R has 42K on it and has never been in a BMW dealership since its 600 mile service. Easy to work on; I can do a major service in an afternoon including valves and throttle bodies. Only non-routine maintenance I ever had to do was replace a FD seal. A 15 minute job with $35 in parts. The maintenance issues with the Beemers have been blown way out of proportion IMHO. That being said I just bought a FJR and I love it. One of the things I like is the price. I paid $14,500 for the 2013 FJR. I paid $17,000 in 2007 for my R1200RT. It cost $280 for the 600 service on the RT; FJR cost $85. Instead of worrrying which brand is the "best" I just buy bikes I like, and right now I like the FJR and I'd like a 3 cylinder Wee Tenere... please.
russperry
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Have any of you guys read the stories on ADVRider regarding the BAM road? The main author of the first story posted back in '09 had some comments about the "best" adventure bike for really rough going and was firmly a BMW X-Challenge supporter due to its engine and a long record of dependability. If my memory serves me right he also wasn't too fond of some of the airbox/vent line layouts in the XT660 - apparently the airbox was the in the lowest position of the three bikes, and there was an tube connecting the airbox to the oil pan that could end up dumping water into the oil pan when fording deep rivers. It apparently happened out in the boonies and the guy (Terry) had to ride for miles with what looked like frothy milk in his engine. Maybe Yamaha did something about that in the Tenere version?
Anyway - here's the link to the story (which is a fantastic read BTW) but I couldn't find the post with the exact comments.
https://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=533442
Anyway - here's the link to the story (which is a fantastic read BTW) but I couldn't find the post with the exact comments.
https://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=533442
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FredandJeannesRacer
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All good points.
Guess there will always be a road we can't take our bikes down.
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Bungie
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The rumors are flying about Yamaha. They've stated they are going to introduce 10 new bikes over the next couple of years.
I know the one that I want to see, and will ditch my little CRFL250 for in a heartbeat, a WR450R. Don't get to fancy with it Yamaha. Aim it at the lightweight adv touring market. Give it a 6spd, a stout rear subframe and a matching stator and call it a day!
I know the one that I want to see, and will ditch my little CRFL250 for in a heartbeat, a WR450R. Don't get to fancy with it Yamaha. Aim it at the lightweight adv touring market. Give it a 6spd, a stout rear subframe and a matching stator and call it a day!
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