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Good info. Thanks. What about the big marketers that don't fit into one of those descriptions. For example, most Costco's and Safeway's ( a Kroger owned grocery store for you folks back east) sell gas in large quantities. Do they contract with one of the petroleum companies for a certain amount or time then shop for the next deal when contract expires? I know I've seen independant distributers at some of the name branded stations locally. Sometimes even the same distributer at two stations across the street from each other. I'm not saying the product was the same, just wondering. Thanks again.
Jim
They do, Costco and Safeway don't contract for a time but rather for an amount. When that contract runs out they either renew the contract if all parties agree or look elsewhere for a better deal. They use to contract for a bulk amount at a guarantied price but with the prices changing so rapidly I don't think that happens much anymore.

 
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In your position you should be able to get together with the managers or their reps of any of the major oil companies. I am sure that they would love to give you a run down of how it works. They usually have people that will even give you a tour and explain how there operation works if you set something up in advance.

Good idea, I haven't done this for some time. Back when I released oil and lube products I worked a great deal with Texaco and Mobil. I was at the Mobil distibution terminal and oil blending facility in downriver Detroit quite a few times. Funny thing is that that is one of the places I saw many different branded tanker trucks filling up at the terminal facilities and got some of the stories about how all the gas was the same and that the only differentation was the additive packages put in..... I'll have to dig up some of my old contacts and see what they can tell me now that I am smarter and know more what to ask...

I can assure you that in the mid-80's there were solvents and detergents lacking in much of the gasoline. Probably Shell (as long as you were getting proven Shell product) was still good. I know Mobil premium was still good for solvents and detergents during that time. The lacking part was not part of trying to do better, either. You may not have been exposed to it from your product's end but others had huge problems....er...ah....caused us huge problems.

You may think and contend that my stories are isolated cases and that the system worked great all the time. Depends on your veiwpiont, I guess. I saw so much of it and in so many places geographically that it was far from rare and far from random. When you have fuel lines rotting off of a particular brand of car with 50 and 60 incidents in the same exact city (and nowhere else for a thousand miles in any direction) and those owners bought gas from different brands in the same local area you quickly realize and believe that they were all getting the "same gas" from different suppliers. Maybe the peroxides contaminating the fuel (in that particular case) were part of that swill used to separate shipments thru the pipeline.... Whatever, the contaminants were universal and across MANY brands within the geographic area that coincidentally shared a distribution terminal. Like I said, this happened WAY more than once. Industry panels representing all the auto companies held symposiums on the problems under the aegis of the SAE. I was at the meetings and heard the problems and explainations....hence some of the info I provided. Which I still stand by.

 
In your position you should be able to get together with the managers or their reps of any of the major oil companies. I am sure that they would love to give you a run down of how it works. They usually have people that will even give you a tour and explain how there operation works if you set something up in advance.

Good idea, I haven't done this for some time. Back when I released oil and lube products I worked a great deal with Texaco and Mobil. I was at the Mobil distibution terminal and oil blending facility in downriver Detroit quite a few times. Funny thing is that that is one of the places I saw many different branded tanker trucks filling up at the terminal facilities and got some of the stories about how all the gas was the same and that the only differentation was the additive packages put in..... I'll have to dig up some of my old contacts and see what they can tell me now that I am smarter and know more what to ask...

I can assure you that in the mid-80's there were solvents and detergents lacking in much of the gasoline. Probably Shell (as long as you were getting proven Shell product) was still good. I know Mobil premium was still good for solvents and detergents during that time. The lacking part was not part of trying to do better, either. You may not have been exposed to it from your product's end but others had huge problems....er...ah....caused us huge problems.

You may think and contend that my stories are isolated cases and that the system worked great all the time. Depends on your veiwpiont, I guess. I saw so much of it and in so many places geographically that it was far from rare and far from random. When you have fuel lines rotting off of a particular brand of car with 50 and 60 incidents in the same exact city (and nowhere else for a thousand miles in any direction) and those owners bought gas from different brands in the same local area you quickly realize and believe that they were all getting the "same gas" from different suppliers. Maybe the peroxides contaminating the fuel (in that particular case) were part of that swill used to separate shipments thru the pipeline.... Whatever, the contaminants were universal and across MANY brands within the geographic area that coincidentally shared a distribution terminal. Like I said, this happened WAY more than once. Industry panels representing all the auto companies held symposiums on the problems under the aegis of the SAE. I was at the meetings and heard the problems and explainations....hence some of the info I provided. Which I still stand by.
Jestal you do have a flair about you but I can see now that no matter how wrong you might be, your desire to prove you are always right will drive you to argue a point to exhaustion. No matter what is said or what proof might be presented, you will never give into it anyway. So at this point I see no reason to continue any correspondence with you what so ever. Enjoy yourself and have a good day.

 
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Take your toys and go home then...... :p :p It is too bad the facts and observations of many do not fit your preconceived notions. Sorry.

 
May I just say that I've been having a lot of GAS out of my pipeline lately! (Wife no likey either) Any suggestions on what additive package might be causing it? :yahoo:

 
Just gotta jump in here. I lived for the last 30 years on San Juan Island in Wa. and could almost see the oil refinery at Anacortes. We had Shell,Exon,Pacific Pride and CFN gas stations. ALL the gas has to be brought to the island by private barge because the Coast Guard won't allow gas on the ferry. Some times the trucks would go to the refinery which I belive is owned by Tesoro now and get a load and bring it back and deliver the same gas to the various stations that ordered. In years past there were tank farms for the individual brands but the newcomers didn't like looking at tanks so when they got old they were not replaced. The only storage is in the ground at the station itself. I have no idea which brand was used but I do know it came out of the same pipe and into the same truck and was sold at four different places. I know this is an isolated case but it is a true story bacause I used to crew on the barge that ran the fuel and would ride to the refinery with the trucks to help. When we had real fuel barges we used to get a load of saltwater now and then because they ballast the barge with seawater to keep it stable and if the pumping wasn't right things got ugly. Not trying to piss in anybodys cereal here but that is the way they do it there. Sure am glad I don't live there anymore. :)

 
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