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MONDAY 10:00 A.M. PRESS BRIEFING FOR OROVILLE DAM -- HOW THIS WEEK WILL PROGRESS IN DEBRIS REMOVAL --

DWR Executive Director Bill Croyle says that by late this afternoon the flow from the damaged spillway will be completely halted so that workers can remove hundreds of tons of debris comprised of concrete, sand, vegetation and other material. He says that he hopes the project will take five days of around the clock work. Based upon their computations, it appears the dam has seven days of storage space available. He was very clear to say that should conditions change, they will be prepared to turn the spillway back on quickly.

Regarding restarting the flow, he said that the 860 foot mark on reservoir elevation is the ultimate trigger point. Currently, the lake level is at 838.

To start today...they have a helicopter flying overhead videoing the gradual reduction in spill volume, answering the question, "Do we have to maintain the 50,000 cubic foot per second or can we do something a little lower?" For example, can they run the spillway at 20,000 cfs? So, they will be monitoring the flow reduction throughout the process to see how different flow levels affect the geology. How does the water land at the bottom of the spillway? Does it hit the"plunge pool" or does it further degrade the landscape?

They will also take a detailed look at all of the geological conditions to get folks started on the long-term recovery plan -- such as replacing the spillway.

He stressed that, "Environmental resources and fish are high on our screen." He says fish rescues will possibly start as early as today and are likely tomorrow as the Feather River water levels decrease.

The snowmelt has a lot of people nervous. Croyle says the snowmelt will begin in 10 to 15 days as the sun's angle is higher in the sky. Variables will include wind, cloud cover, air temps and winds. A typical inflow from the snowmelt is 38,000 cfs.

The Hyatt Powerplant, he hopes, is up and running by Thursday or Friday of this week. They will have a better estimate of restart time by the end of today. The powerplant, when operating at full speed can pull 14,000 cfs out of the reservoir. Currently, five of the six turbines are ready to roll.

 
If 38,000 cfs is "typical," I wonder what it will be this year with the snowpack pretty much double normal all over the state. Scary.

I was thinking about this today, reading a story in the local paper. Seems "only" 25,000 cfs is running into the lake right now from all the streams that lead into it. That still seems like a hell of a lot. Think about getting a cubic foot of water dumped onto your head. I'd guess an orange Home Depot 5-gallon bucket is pretty close to one cubic foot. So 25,000 of those. Every second. That's about a million Homer's All-Purpose Buckets dumped on you every forty seconds!

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So I started pushing some buttons and figured out how many 40-second periods there are in the five days they want to close the runoff gates, and multiplied that by a million Homer buckets. Comes out 10 billion, eight hundred million All-Purpose Home Depot Homer Buckets dumped into Lake Oroville. Sounds like a lot. Too many to get a handle on.

I wish they'd just say how fast the lake will fill up at this rate--like how many feet per day. Just easier to get hold of. I guess that's why they measure distances between the stars in light years, and not miles.

Just trying to help.
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Edit: Guess you can up all the numbers by about another half. Turns out a cubic foot of water is 7.48 gallons. So make it 15 billion buckets. Thanks, Google.

 
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As a fisherman I'm pretty familiar with CFS as it's the # people watch to know when rivers are at a good fishing level. The South Fork of the Snake is the big blue-ribbon fishery here and it's quite a good sized river with some serious current. Ideal fishing levels are 8,000-10,000 CFS. At 12,000 CFS you don't catch a lot of fish but it's a fun ride down the canyon in a drift boat, cruising right along. 16,000, fishing is done and river is scary--good chance it'll drown you. 20,000+ on a big runoff is really a sight.

So yeah, that spillway is releasing some SERIOUS water at those levels.

 
Bad news. A gallon is 231 cubic inches. 5 gallons, 1155 cubic inches. A cubic foot is 1728 cubic inches. Oh!

So the Homer bucket is more than a bit shy of 3/4 of a cubic foot...

 
Reservoirs are usually measured in Acre Feet, a Cubic measurement equalling 43,560 Cubic feet, 43560 x 1728 = 75,271,680 cubic inches. Divide by 231 Cubic inches per gallon yields 325,850 gallons per acre foot. Lake Oroville has a surface area of 25 Square miles or 16,000 acres. So to raise Lake Oroville one foot it would take 16,000 acres times 325,850 Gallons per Acre Foot or 5,213,600,000 gallons of water.

 
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Sides of the lake are not vertical. That said, I'd guess the increase is pretty insignificant compared to the overall surface area..

 
Here is what happens when you dump 100,000 CFS onto a mountainside. The flow has been stopped for now for repairs and debris clearing. I think we should take up gold panning downstream.

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I can remember in the mid-sixties when they were building the Oroville Dam. I used to ride along with some of the Semi-Truck Drivers hauling the large Rip-Rap they used to face both the Dam and the Thermalito Afterbay as well as some of the other structures.

The trains used to haul the aggregate fill used to build the dam were amazing, they ran like clockwork and there was a structure on the dam that inverted the car while still connected to the train to dump the material.

When they first filled the lake, 1969 as I recall, they filled it all the way up and ran some water over that now damaged spillway, obviously not enough water, LOL.

 
I can remember in the mid-sixties when they were building the Oroville Dam. I used to ride along with some of the Semi-Truck Drivers hauling the large Rip-Rap they used to face both the Dam and the Thermalito Afterbay as well as some of the other structures.
The trains used to haul the aggregate fill used to build the dam were amazing, they ran like clockwork and there was a structure on the dam that inverted the car while still connected to the train to dump the material.

When they first filled the lake, 1969 as I recall, they filled it all the way up and ran some water over that now damaged spillway, obviously not enough water, LOL.
Like these seen

@ 1:29 and more. Oroville Dam construction.
Keep Going!

 
Oh, this is the one I meant to post - awesome drone footage of the damage..

 
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No danger there. Don't hold your breath. 😉

 
Someone used an explanation during the crisis period (incorrectly as i found out later) that at 100,000 CFS it would take less than 1 second to fill an Olympic swimming pool! Sounded incredible - turns out it was indeed not credible - an Olympic pool is commonly quoted at 660,000 gallons so it would actually take 6.6 seconds to fill. But even still - 7 seconds to fill an Olympic swimming pool is pretty damn quick!!

I guess it was either lucky or good planning that a lot of the ground under the spillway was actually bedrock and not just laid over hydro-filled dirt.

 
100,000 cubic feet is 748,000 gallons so it is LESS THAN 1 second!

 
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Man - I'm usually better with the new math! When I'm doin my cypherin' I usually remember to consider the units of measure....

 
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