Possible 06 Ticker ! Help?

[G. Focker]

My brand new 06 may be a ticker! Took her to the dealer once, the tech rep advised "keep on riding" I have done that and the problem has gotten worse. Back to the shop today. Very bummed, I waited for the 06 in part because the ticker curse was supposed to be broken... Not So. Only had her for 19 days and 1900 miles. Any sound advice would be appreciated.

 

[skyway]

My brand new 06 is a ticker! Took her to the dealer once, the tech rep advised "keep on riding" I have done that and the problem has gotten worse. Back to the shop today. Very bummed, I waited for the 06 in part because the ticker curse was supposed to be broken... Not So. Only had her for 19 days and 1900 miles. Any sound advice would be appreciated.

Now I'm not saying you don't have a ticker, but before declare that you do, you may want to wait for the diagnosis of your engine noise. 1900 miles is a low amount for the tick to set in, but it has happened before.

Yes its a MOFO to deal with, but I have learned that there are far more important things in life to worry about, at least for me anyway.

Good luck and keep us posted with updates. I thought for sure Yammi would have the tick licked for 2006.

 

[Ignacio]

My brand new 06 is a ticker! Took her to the dealer once, the tech rep advised "keep on riding" I have done that and the problem has gotten worse. Back to the shop today. Very bummed, I waited for the 06 in part because the ticker curse was supposed to be broken... Not So. Only had her for 19 days and 1900 miles. Any sound advice would be appreciated.

We all presume you mean ticker where there's premature valve guide wear and not the general ticking that can happen with otherwise healthy engines? If so, just specifically how did you diagnose it? Have you reviewed

the ticking sound byte for comparison?

As there have not been any confirmed '06 tickers that we know of, we're all a little sensitive on this board to a new guy making claims of a first ticker. Please help us to understand your claim.

Thanks.

*ADMIN NOTE* I did edit the Post title and inserted "Possible" until we learn more. Don't want to stroke any of the '06 owners out needlessly.

 

[Warchild]

I thought for sure Yammi would have the tick licked for 2006.

It may still be... we obviously can't draw conclusions because one new owner claims he has an '06 ticker. The length of time and the accumulated mileage certainly don't add up.

Not saying you DON'T have a ticker, mind you, but I think it's pretty unlikely any '06 with a mere 1900 miles on it is an authentic ticker like we have had in the past.

G Focker, did you *carefully* listen to the Ticking Sound Bite to try to determine if your's is doing the same?

Ticker Sound Bite thread

 

[RadioHowie]

I thought for sure Yammi would have the tick licked for 2006.

It may still be... we obviously can't draw conclusions because one new owner claims he has an '06 ticker. The length of time and the accumulated mileage certainly don't add up.

Not saying you DON'T have a ticker, mind you, but I think it's pretty unlikely any '06 with a mere 1900 miles on it is an authentic ticker like we have had in the past.

G Focker, did you *carefully* listen to the Ticking Sound Bite to try to determine if your's is doing the same?

Ticker Sound Bite thread

Can't get either audio link to work. Was able to listen to Ticker1 last night, but Ticker2 is unavailable. If someone wants to email them to me, I'll be glad to host them, instead of lameass putfile.com.

 

[FJRMGM]

I'm skeptical - 1900 miles is not hardly enough miles for the valve stem to erode the valve guide..

Sure it's not fuel injector noise?

 

[jestal]

The 06 parts list finally showed up on the Yamaha web site and it shows that the exhaust valve itself has not changed part number since the 2003 model. The valve stem seal, however, HAS changed part number. The same seal is listed for the 03-05 and a new seal is shown for 06.

This sort of confirms what we were thinking.....that the valve stem seal may have been changed to allow more oil down the valve guide. At least I feel better knowing that the part number has changed.

 

[G. Focker]

Heard back from Yam Tech Rep today. They approved a tear down, valve inspection and adjustment PRN. Will keep you posted. I did listen to the ticker audio byte. Mine DOES NOT sound like that at idle. Only under power and certain RPM ranges. I am hoping it is merely an improperly adjusted valve (which would not be significant). Pardon the premature ticker proclaimation.

 

[shuswaper]

hey there G., thanks for the heads up on that there valve noise. All of us appreciate your keeping us tuned in to your developments...I have an `07 along the way and dammit, if these things still suffer from inadequate oil supply, I`m afraid I`m gone...and so is my `04! My fingers are crossed that you have a true anommaly and not a systemic failure. Good Luck! :assassin:

 

[wallypiper]

suffer from inadequate oil supply

Is that the official bottom line on the tickers? Any other problems attributed to that?

 

[Constant Mesh]

The '06 also has a new part# on the exhaust valve guides. The part# of the '06 intake valve guides is the same as before. On the earlier models all sixteen valve guides were identical.

 

[jestal]

Describing the problem as "inadequate oil supply", while technically accurate, is a bit misleading. We are talking about a minute amount of oil that gets past the valve stem seal to lubricate the valve guide. Valve guides typically need very very little oil in them to lubricate but they do need some. The amount required is very variable and is dependent on the specific valve guide clearances, valve and valve guide material and surface finish and surface treatments, the operating schedule of the engine, etc. There are a LOT of variables involved. Since any oil that gets past the seal is lost to the exhaust or burned as part of the intake stream there is always the requirement to keep the oil to the valve guides to an absolute minimum. The general population of drivers and riders seem to equate any oil consumption with a "bad" engine the loss of oil to the valve guides flys in the face of keeping oil consumption to a minimum to enhance the perception of a "good" engine that does not use oil. That is the problem with total loss oiling of a part (like valve guides)....the oil is considered to be part of oil consumption.

If you look at the total population of FJR's on the road, the vast majority of them are running fine with no problem. It just seems that the valve stem seals on the 03-05 engines are "dry" enough that some small part of the engine population cannot survive with the valve guides that dry....hence the tickers.

I would hesitate to sum up the problem as "inadequate oil supply" without specifying the valve guides specifically. It is not like the crank bearings are suffering from "inadequate oil supply"....LOL If the seals on the 06 are just a tiny bit "wetter" then likely the problem will never surface again. We do know that Yamaha is putting different seals on repaired tickers so this also enforces the notion that at least part of the issue is valve stem seals and that a change was made in that direction.

 

[Randy]

Heard back from Yam Tech Rep today. They approved a tear down, valve inspection and adjustment PRN. Will keep you posted. I did listen to the ticker audio byte. Mine DOES NOT sound like that at idle. Only under power and certain RPM ranges. I am hoping it is merely an improperly adjusted valve (which would not be significant). Pardon the premature ticker proclaimation.

My ticker didn't sound like that at idle. When it got up past 2500 rpms it got bad. Perhaps it was just in its infancy, but, it was a ticker and teardown showed that the guides were shot.

You don't think mamaYamaha would have emptied the parts bin on the 2006s, do you?

 

[Ignacio]

Describing the problem as "inadequate oil supply", while technically accurate, is a bit misleading.

I concur 100%. How about we call this likely phenomnon "inadequate valve stem lubrication" from now on?

 

[Fencer]

hey Focker, get a soundbite for us before they do a tere down, most cell phones or mps will record a sound you can upload