Rant About Trooper X

[FJRottie]

THEN WHY THE FU*K DONT YOU STRAP ON A BADGE AND JOIN 'EM....MY GUESS IS THAT YOU DON'T HAVE THE FALLOPIAN TUBES TO DO THEIR JOB!!

My job is harder, more physical, and more dangerous.

I have worked with cops and know that a few are self-serving hypocrites.

Nice Intelligent post you have MG.....bye.

Fastersilverfjr +5

SkooterG, welcome back and yes your right, but it happens.

 

[ock913]

My job is harder, more physical, and more dangerous.

Wow, tell us what you do there ..... you big stud you. :aggressive:

 

[Thug]

I'm in the same boat as FJ...

I am a father and husband to three women...a 7 yo a 10 yo (going on 35) and SHE who must be obeyed...anyone else top that?

 

[motorgod]

Why is it that I am forced by law to keep to 55mph along route 5S (4lane divided), yet NYS Trooper X can blow by me (no blinkies on) at what could be estimated at easily 85mph this morning??????
For some reason, this totally pisses me off!  He wasn't responding to any calls, he was just hauling ass!  I say this with some degree of certainty because I caught up to him as the road hit a rash of traffic lights and he waited patiently at each light, then spooled it up to at least 50mph in the 30mph zones.

I have a huge respect for folks who put their lives on the line in the name of 'justice' and all, BUT I am phukin tired of the local LEO's doing whatever the hell they want on the roads!  Did you know that seatbelt laws and the lovely NYS cellphone law does not apply to LEO's?  phuk that.  They have goddamn CB radios in their cars!!! why do they need to talk on the cell without hands free sets?

ahhhhh.  I feel better.

Now that I am of a more clear mind, I need to respond appropriately.

Bluehammer was upset at what he percieved to be a blatant flauning of the law by a LEO. First, Bluehammer does not know what the officer was responding to. As someone stated he could be responding to a call that did not come under the code 3 general order requirements. There are a myriad of calls he could be responding to that required him to get there quickly but not in a code 3 mode.

It is more likely than not, that he had a purpose for what he was doing other than personel reasons. As far as no seatbelt, in CA LEO is exempted from that law. The reason cited is officer safety. We have many things hanging from our uniform that can and do get caught by the seatbelt when trying to exit. It is a personal choice of the officer to wear or not wear the seatbelt.

I will not respond to the use of a cell phone because in CA we do not have that law.

Lets put the whole incident in perspective, the officer was percieved to be violating an infraction, not a misdemeanor or a felony. Not everyone who violates an infraction or a misdemeanor is held responsible for that action. This includes LEO and the general public. I have been an LEO for in excess of 18 years. During that time I have been on motors, SWAT, and several other specialty assignments. I have not cited everyone I have ever stopped, so that pretty much does away with the argument that only LEO's get special treatment.

I have also paid for tabs of homeless people that were being threatened with arrest for not paying a restaurant tab. I have also let people go for other misdemeanors instead of arresting them. So not every member of the general public goes to jail when they can.

As far as an LEO? I have arrested a LEO for DUI, misdemeanor spouse abuse, and theft. I have no need for a LEO who violates any misdemeanor of public trust.

I have received a traffic citation in Colorado and took it because I was wrong.

This is special to FJRottie:

You say your job is more dangerous and I cannot debate that since I do not know what you do.

My question is, at least once during your work week, do you go enter someones home knowing that you are not welcome, not knowing where a weapon maybe hidden and not knowing if this person will not go to jail at any cost. Have you ever got to watch a 10 year old boy die in front of his grandparents home as he is pinned under a car and there is nothing you can do? Do you go to parties and get asked questions about "this cop stopped a friend who was speeding....." or "what do you think of the Oakland Riders getting acquitted?" Have you ever been to a party when no one asks you about your opinion on something related to your job? It rarely happens to me. Do you get to go to the store with your wife/significant other or kids without someone stopping you and asking "what is happening with my case?" Do your kids get to go to school and have to answer questions about "that party your dad busted?" Have you ever been shot at? Do you have to deal with taking the freedom away from someone and putting them in jail? Can you be sued and held personally liable for the actions of someone who you supervise and possibly lose your house to some crackhead even though you were never at the scene? Would you receive last rites and run into a burning, collapsing building? 23 police officers and over 300 firefighters did.

I never said my job was the most physical, dangerous, or hardest job. You were putting words in my mouth.

I chose my job and there is nothing I would rather do. So please do not tell me your job is harder, dangerous or what ever just as I would not say that to you. My only comment is that most people do not know half of what LEO does. It is not COPS or Reno 911. It truly is a job that you are never away from. Even on vacation, I cannot get away from my job.

As far as 'bad cops' sure there are some out there, just as there are bad doctors, electricians, teachers, store clerks, etc.... But the only ones you hear about are the bad cops and that skews the opinion of the general public. I have no tolerance for LEO's that break laws of public trust. But officers that break an infraction? I give them the benefit of the doubt and do not lump them into one category.

For those of you who wish to read my original response? It is captured in quotes throughout this thread.

 

[ock913]

Thank you MG, my thoughts exactly.

Was kinda eerie reading ....... have you been in my car???

 

[Woodstock]

motorgod/ock913: I actually don't have much an issue with anything said in your last posts. I give the benefit of the doubt to on-duty cops, to be honest I'd rather they "haul-ass" because then they're not following me if I'm +5/10 over the limit.

What do you think, though, of ionbeams post...

My brother is a LEO, uses his badge as a 'get out of jail free' card, so does his wife, she has one of his badges too.

To me, the brother/wife should be locked up, that's not a simple infraction, it's bribery (on the brother's part), and impersonating a LEO (on the wife's part)

If you pulled over a LEO spouse who showed you a badge to get out of a ticket, would you treat them the same way you would if I tried the same thing with a fake badge?

 

[ock913]

For me, it would depend on the infraction and the intent of the badge. If she was impersonating, then that would be dealt with. If she identified herself as the spouse of ..... then that would be different. Personally, I have never written a brother/sister LEO for a traffic infraction. But honestly, in 18 years I think I have only stopped, maybe 5 (again, over the course of 18 years). I didn't write them, but probably would not have written the general public either. I am not a big ticket writer........ unless it is well deserved. I have written a fireman and I have taken another cop to jail. I have taken a long time dear friend to jail, I didn't want to, but he needed it. I give verbal warnings or courtesy notices (written, but no fine) to at least 50% of them. Therefore, giving the cop a break is no different than half the people I stop.

 

[Thug]

Motogod and Ock193 your the sort of blokes I would like to have a beer with someday.

 

[motorgod]

For me, it would depend on the infraction and the intent of the badge. If she was impersonating, then that would be dealt with. If she identified herself as the spouse of ..... then that would be different. Personally, I have never written a brother/sister LEO for a traffic infraction.

OCK913,

I know we are on the same wave length...I'm not sure how many tickets I have written in my 18+ years, but in my four years on motors, I can document over 5000 citations. In 18yrs my guess is 10,000 plus. Traffic enforcement is my personal thing. See, I am also on the fatal accident reconstruction team. I have seen my share of dying and dead people. That 10 year old boy who died, mentioned in a prior post, was holding my hand when he took his last breath.

I have never written an LEO either. I have put 5 officers in a 10 minute penalty box and told them to stay put for 10 miunutes. I know they stayed because they were in my vision the whole time while I continued working radar. They were going at a speed where I would normally write a citation or they EXPECTED to get off, yes they got a break but at a price. I have also let members of general public go at those same speeds, without a penalty box, because it would be illegal for me to detain them in such a manner. See, the general public gets a better deal than the police officer. I can do that to a police officer because we understand each other and have mutual respect.

As far a badging myself or my family using my position? It is forbidden in my house. I am a sergeant in the town I live and work in, and I refuse to put someone who works for me in the position of having to deal with would I piss off the sarge if I write his son or wife?

I have no respect for someone who expects to get off and lets me know it a first contact, hence the 10 minute penalty box.

Finally, a new phrase was created several years called "going postal" due to some unfortunate events that happened, yet everyone still likes their mail delivery person. But let one cop get busted for bribery or violating someones civil rights, and all of law enforcement is tainted for years.

All done.

 

[FJRottie]

Motorgod,

My statement about jobs was in response to your general statement,

MY GUESS IS THAT YOU DON'T HAVE THE FALLOPIAN TUBES TO DO THEIR JOB

I wasn't saying anything about your job.

As far as the situations they deal with and they situations you brought up, yes I can relate.

As a soldier, walking around rural/urban areas clearing houses/sections of a town

dealing with the angry public, looking for booby traps, not knowing if the occupants of a building are armed and waiting, trying to determine if the person/vehicle is suicidal, hoping your ride (wheeled or flying) doesn't get shot at, etc etc.

Trying to convince the public that you are there to help and having to take their insults, yelling, spitting, and rock throwing.

Ensuring that everything I do is within the Laws of Armed Conflict and thinking just before I pull the trigger to save myself or someone else, "will I get charged with a crime if I cap this asshole".

I have been shot at, had mortars shot at me, been shot at while in the air in a helicopter, watched people die, held dieing people in my arms, cleaned up bodies etc.

Things like this happen all the time in Afghanistan, all around the Middle East, Bosnia, Sarajevo etc to guys like me. (The finer points of me and my job are not open for discussion)

All I said at the beginning was SOME cops are not honest. I have always stated "a few" when posting.

I understand your posts and understand what police go through.

I apologize if I went too far but still stand with "some cops are jerks and take advantage", and yes, I have the tubes to do that job.