Recalls

[bramfrank]

Look at Toyota;

So they have 'stopped selling' cars. And they have 'stopped manufacturing' them - what a crock!!

There are millions of affected cars on the road and no one has been told not to do what is the most dangerous of all, which is to STOP DRIVING THEM until they are repaired.

Toyota knew of the problem and did what any other car company did when faced with a huge and massive recall; They tried to convince the authorities that the problem was negligible and that the solution should be non-mandatory; When ordered to issue the recall they pretended to be good corporate citizens.

I don't know how many cars Toyota sells in North America in a day (for they have not suspended sales in England, according to their UK web site, so I have to believe that this is simply a local phenomenon), but the only people to suffer inthe mean time are those who work in the plants and the dealerships in North America. And, of course their cars are no better than those of anyone elose; As Toyota has grown, it's quality ratings have fallen.

It is all simply smoke and mirrors and pure public relations. Toyota is no different than any other corporation faced with a P-R problem. I have no more respect for them today than I did two weeks ago; If anything, perhaps less.

 

[charismaticmegafauna]

Ahh yes, the 'Corporate Veil' -- there's no responsibility, it's a corporation...beauty! We love it when it works for us and hate it when it doesn't.

100 years ago, you might've been able to tell Henry Ford to fix a problem on his Model T -- today, your only recourse may be to vote with your $$$ (to another corporation...).

How can a motor vehicle run-away and over-power the brakes (or, the ignition "off" switch?)? Are Toyotas so powerful, now, (and the brakes so poor...?) that the brakes can't hold them anymore?

 

[Geezer]

As far as recalls go, this is not a big deal. It is only a big deal for Toyota because they have built their reputation on 'quality' and now the world can see that they make a mistake affecting quality. It is probably caused by them trying to grow too fast too quickly in their quest to overtake GM. When problems like this happen to other car manufacturers they don't stop selling cars.

FWIW, the problem was described in the news yesterday. The throttle linkage can corrode and wear from moisture collecting in a plastic box where the linkage is connected to the engine. I know, not really detailed technical information, but that's enough to indicate that it is not a sudden catastrophic failure. The driver will notice an increase in friction at the pedal before it actually sticks. And if the throttle does stick the driver can pull over and switch off the engine. Sounds a lot like the discussions we have about unwinding one of the throttle springs.

I plan to continue driving my 2010 Corolla without any worries.

 

[Bustanut joker]

Way the *** over hyped ******** by the news media....Be an aware vehicle owner fer crissakes! Pull the damn floor mat back where it belongs. 'Member that one? or....

The [SIZE=12pt]sudden[/SIZE] acceleration phenom from a decade plus ago? ***, the majority of the problem and victims were too damned old to drive, kinda went away after folks learned to die or qiut driving when it was past that time.

This whole thing reeks of the big three pulling wieght with politico's.. Trash the competition if ya can't beat' em..

Think about it.. It's taking the current limelight off'n limp **** corrupt politics and the woes of the big three.

:jester:

 

[Crash Cash]

This whole thing reeks of the big three pulling wieght with politico's.. Trash the competition if ya can't beat' em..

Eh, it's just a sticky throttle compounded by morons too stupid to switch the car off. Some fuckstick decided to call 911 on the cell instead of just switching the key off! What is wrong with an ***** like that? Do cars need a kill switch now?

These are people that really need to meet Mr. Darwin anyway, but the bad part is they usually take someone with them. Yeah, I remember the "sudden acceleration" bit too, and the fact they were all 85+ going "well I think I hit the brake... which pedal is the brake again, sonny boy?" I also remember a case here in Florida where the car was smart enough (expensive Mercedes?) to log it all, and the computer said the old lady was stomping the accelerator for all she was worth, all the while swearing she was hitting the brake.

Shootin's too good for any of 'em!

 

[FJRBluesman]

I agree with Bust, it's mostly media BS. Anyone with half a brain can ram the brakes to the floor and the car WILL stop. Oh yeah forget about going for neutral, that's too hard. No way can one turn the key off. But they can call 911 and tell them of their nightmare thru the streets of the city at 100mph.

I remember this same crap with the Audi's back in the 80's, sudden acceleration. Hmmm. Maybe because your bloody foot was on the pedal!

I've had a couple vehicles have the throttle stick, and on a motorcycle. I got them under control quickly, and stopped no problem. Scared the crap out of me, but used my head. Both were mechanical issues with someone not routing things correctly or binding linkage, and a spark plug wire that got routed behind the linkage and wouldn't let the linkage return to idle. None of the cars were mine, they were friends cars and they did their own work on them. :dribble:

Toyota will rebound quickly.

 

[Zorlac]

IMO all vehicles suck eventually, the Toyota's I've had and worked on have sucked a little less than some of the others.

I may try a VW at some point to find out how much they suck.

FWIW, Toyota did go above and beyond with sludging Camry engines and extended the warranty when some of the sludging was probably from lax oil changes by the owners.

 

[johnny80s]

Look at Toyota;
So they have 'stopped selling' cars. And they have 'stopped manufacturing' them - what a crock!!

There are millions of affected cars on the road and no one has been told not to do what is the most dangerous of all, which is to STOP DRIVING THEM until they are repaired.

Toyota knew of the problem and did what any other car company did when faced with a huge and massive recall; They tried to convince the authorities that the problem was negligible and that the solution should be non-mandatory; When ordered to issue the recall they pretended to be good corporate citizens.

I don't know how many cars Toyota sells in North America in a day (for they have not suspended sales in England, according to their UK web site, so I have to believe that this is simply a local phenomenon), but the only people to suffer inthe mean time are those who work in the plants and the dealerships in North America. And, of course their cars are no better than those of anyone elose; As Toyota has grown, it's quality ratings have fallen.

It is all simply smoke and mirrors and pure public relations. Toyota is no different than any other corporation faced with a P-R problem. I have no more respect for them today than I did two weeks ago; If anything, perhaps less.

You're more of the glass is half empty kinda guy huh?

 

[C&C]

Toyota has had a virtual free ride (from the Press) for far too long. Toyota's recalls have increased in the past few years and they are finally getting called down for it. (sludge, Tundra corrosion, breaking camshafts, etc.) Just saying that all manufacturers should be treated fairly; when Detroit had recalls, the Press fell on them like vultures.

How many of the above posters were willing to give Yamaha (a break) when the ECU puked, the CCT is suspect or a variety of other items you/we screamed for recalls about.

 

[glide99]

Toyota has had a virtual free ride (from the Press) for far too long. Toyota's recalls have increased in the past few years and they are finally getting called down for it. (sludge, Tundra corrosion, breaking camshafts, etc.) Just saying that all manufacturers should be treated fairly; when Detroit had recalls, the Press fell on them like vultures.
How many of the above posters were willing to give Yamaha (a break) when the ECU puked, the CCT is suspect or a variety of other items you/we screamed for recalls about.

Amen +1

 

[08FJR4ME]

[SIZE=18pt]Oh what a feelin!!! They suck, They suck, They suck!!!!!![/SIZE]

[SIZE=36pt]Buy Ford the only true American vehicle. [/SIZE]

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[Zorlac]

No Mexican wire harnesses or Canadian subassemblies in there, eh?

 

[snikr]

Toyota has had a virtual free ride (from the Press) for far too long. Toyota's recalls have increased in the past few years and they are finally getting called down for it. (sludge, Tundra corrosion, breaking camshafts, etc.) Just saying that all manufacturers should be treated fairly; when Detroit had recalls, the Press fell on them like vultures.
How many of the above posters were willing to give Yamaha (a break) when the ECU puked, the CCT is suspect or a variety of other items you/we screamed for recalls about.

Amen +2

 

[jmdaniel]

My Corvette is an '05; the first year of the 6th generation, more commonly referred to as a C6. First year models have issues, and there was this little issue with the glue/adhesive/bonding agent that was used to join the actual roof tops to the frame of the top. Little issue as in that they were flying off! Not cool, especially for other drivers in the area when the top decided to exit the vehicle. Imagine how you would feel, driving down the road on the Feejer, and having a car top coming at you like a Frisbee.

GM did the typical, half-*** "fixes", which mainly consisted of injecting another type of adhesive into the voids left when the faulty tops started to separate from the frame. The fix was for a small range of VIN numbers, which quickly expanded as more and more tops showed separation. The fix wasn't actually a fix, as tops that had had the correction continued to separate. My car finally was included in the range, but I didn't take it in, as I was waiting for an actual fix. I had two tops for the car, so was in no hurry; some owners didn't have that luxury.

When GM finally came out with the correct fix, which included affixing a brand new roof panel to the frame with a proven adhesive, and my car was included in the range, I took my car in for the fix. I was promptly told by the service manager that my VIN didn't qualify for the new fix, but that they would gladly complete the adhesive injection fix. Makes sense, right? Perform the action that your manufacturer knows doesn't work, just so you can re-do it later, thereby making more money for the shop, and hope the top doesn't kill someone in the interim. I told him to check the service bulletins again; that he was mistaken, and he scoffed, saying that "you can't believe everything you read on the internet". I told him that I would take the car home, and when he finally figured out that I was right, and he was wrong, he could could call me to get on MY schedule for replacement. And, oh by the way, when GM sent me the survey for this service visit, I would be sure to fill it out accurately. Ding, ding! He wanted to know the service bulletin number, I gave it to him, and he discovered that sometimes you can believe what you read on the internet!

My car got fixed, I no longer go to the dealership, and my Corvette, (which I love, btw), will be the last GM vehicle I buy. Oh, and in my garage it sits next to a 2007 TOYOTA FJ Cruiser, which is trouble free, my daily driver, and not affected by the gas pedal recall! :yahoo:

 

[Grumpy]

Way the *** over hyped ******** by the news media....Be an aware vehicle owner fer crissakes! Pull the damn floor mat back where it belongs. 'Member that one? or....The [SIZE=12pt]sudden[/SIZE] acceleration phenom from a decade plus ago? ***, the majority of the problem and victims were too damned old to drive, kinda went away after folks learned to die or qiut driving when it was past that time.

This whole thing reeks of the big three pulling wieght with politico's.. Trash the competition if ya can't beat' em..

Think about it.. It's taking the current limelight off'n limp **** corrupt politics and the woes of the big three.

:jester:

Come on Nut, the media has to help Obama with his Government Motors effort, don't you see?

 

[juniorfjr]

They have accounted for 2000 incidents in the USA. The recall is for 9 million vehicles, That works out to one in 40,000 vehicles. If you are not smart enough to stand on the brakes, then let's call it natural process.

Oh, and I only buy Ford. Theyt are more experienced with recalls :glare:

Every Toyota Dealer has just as many service bays as the U.S. Dealers, There's gotta be a reason for that. just sayin.

 

[FJR-Don]

There are a number of other Automotive manufactures that use the same US sourced throttle assy that Toyota uses (CTS) and there just keeping there head down at this point.

Also how many other ship's sunk on the same day as the Titanic.... can you name all 4 :huh:

And for a side note: Who owns controlling interest of Yamaha...

 

[Geezer]

There are a number of other Automotive manufactures that use the same US sourced throttle assy that Toyota uses (CTS) and there just keeping there head down at this point.
Also how many other ship's sunk on the same day as the Titanic.... can you name all 4 :huh:

And Toyota uses the same assembly in other vehicles except the part is made by Denso rather than CTS, and those are not being recalled.

 

[FJRGuy]

...How can a motor vehicle run-away and over-power the brakes (or, the ignition "off" switch?)? Are Toyotas so powerful, now, (and the brakes so poor...?) that the brakes can't hold them anymore?

Easy answer... Stupid control challenged drivers.

You're more of the glass is half empty kinda guy huh?

Thinkin maybe he or someone close to him is personally affected by the shutdowns. :dntknw:

No Mexican wire harnesses or Canadian subassemblies in there, eh?

Hmmm... all kinds of Canadian parts in there. In fact, although I believe there are more than one F150 Plants, I beleive the Oakville ON assembly plant exports to the US.

I've had no issue with my '09 Matrix and have no worries driving it. Recalls are a fact of life in the auto industry.

It is interesting to note, however, that Toyota's problems seem to correlate with being assembled and using parts made in North America. Hmmm...