"Officers' Discretion" which translates into "no exceptions, but enforced based on whatever else they are doing at the time or if they need to use it to get a closer look at the driver and/or contents".
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Success verified in todays mail. I received the notice of dismissal.
Interesting that the dismissal came in a hand addressed envelope, sent from Lynnwood, whereas the original notice of violation is from Tempe AZ, home of the camera maker.
Most of these camera systems are run this way. The camera company gets 50% of the collected fines, but do not charge, up front, for installing and operating the system.
Despite all the claims of increased safety, non of which seem to be independantly verifiable,
most of the municipalities that employ these systems do so because of the revenue they produce.
The lesson is, challenge these notices. Even if you're guilty as hell it can't hurt to call and see if you can get the charge dropped. It took all of about 20 seconds, once I got a human on the line, to have this dismissed.
:yahoo:
Interesting that the dismissal came in a hand addressed envelope, sent from Lynnwood, whereas the original notice of violation is from Tempe AZ, home of the camera maker.
Most of these camera systems are run this way. The camera company gets 50% of the collected fines, but do not charge, up front, for installing and operating the system.
Despite all the claims of increased safety, non of which seem to be independantly verifiable,
most of the municipalities that employ these systems do so because of the revenue they produce.
The lesson is, challenge these notices. Even if you're guilty as hell it can't hurt to call and see if you can get the charge dropped. It took all of about 20 seconds, once I got a human on the line, to have this dismissed.
:yahoo:
Again, misconceptions abound. I don't think you're right because that would be contrary to state law...from the same link I referenced above and section copied here.
the compensation paid to the manufacturer or vendor of the equipment used must be based only upon the value of the equipment and services provided or rendered in support of the system, and may not be based upon a portion of the fine or civil penalty imposed or the revenue generated by the equipment.
I'm not an attorney, but an arbritrary percentage seems contrary to that line.
Actually, it's a U.S. subsidiary of a company that's headquartered in Australia....and they tend to integrate third party cameras into a proprietary system. Assuming you're talking about Redflex
I haven't found that to be true either. They do it because of the promises of a safety increase at the same time as a cost avoidance of having to hire more police officers. I know because Redflex pitched the community of 200,000 I live and several key people said no, but they did present a very compelling case...they're good in an evil sort of way. I think red light cameras tend to be the gateway drug to more and more cameras, then school zone speed cameras, and speed zone cameras...and then the monkey of revenue probably gets on their back.
Good for you!
And the claims are a bit mixed. Some support the bigger claims and some are more mixed. Some claims also show increased rear-enders. And some claims also show changing light signal lengths and redoing intersections have more impact. But, regardless they do snag a fair number of read light runners cheaply.
If anything I think Redflex's claim of 99.7%+ accuracy on identifying the perpetator is overblown. I know FOR SURE they blew two on a certain other admin riding motorcycle alone. Yours would be a third. And I don't know close to a thousand other instances of being dead accurate. They blow way more ID than they claim.
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A couple of things on this topice from the lovely state of Oregon. I am sort of an expert on these since I currently am going to court on the 26th of May for my fourth camera ticket in 24 months. Yes, when you drive 35K-40K miles a year in Oregon and pretty much every town now uses these things, its rough!!
However....In Oregon, camera tickets are considered the same as if an officer has written the ticket in person. The courts and Judges have the attitude that you are guilty until proven innocent. They consider the cameras and computers that run them to be flawless. I know very few people that have gotten out of these type of tickets, both red light and speeding. They are putting more of these things up everyday all over the metro area. On one 8 mile stretch of road there are now 4 different red light cameras installed. CRAZY!!!
Your insurance also treats these exactly the same as regular tickets!! NOT GOOD!! The best part...if you get 4 tickets in less than 24 months in Oregon, you lose your license for 30 days!! If I get another one in the next 6 months, I could lose it for up to 90 days. I drive for a living for my job!!!
NOT GOOD...All my tickets have been for going roughly 9-11 mph over the speed limit. If it would have been a human cop, no ticket probably...There are rumors that they are going to make them illegal because of some kind of consitutional right to be able to address your accuser of a crime face to face. The computer can't do that...
Anyway, wish me luck!!
However....In Oregon, camera tickets are considered the same as if an officer has written the ticket in person. The courts and Judges have the attitude that you are guilty until proven innocent. They consider the cameras and computers that run them to be flawless. I know very few people that have gotten out of these type of tickets, both red light and speeding. They are putting more of these things up everyday all over the metro area. On one 8 mile stretch of road there are now 4 different red light cameras installed. CRAZY!!!
Your insurance also treats these exactly the same as regular tickets!! NOT GOOD!! The best part...if you get 4 tickets in less than 24 months in Oregon, you lose your license for 30 days!! If I get another one in the next 6 months, I could lose it for up to 90 days. I drive for a living for my job!!!
NOT GOOD...All my tickets have been for going roughly 9-11 mph over the speed limit. If it would have been a human cop, no ticket probably...There are rumors that they are going to make them illegal because of some kind of consitutional right to be able to address your accuser of a crime face to face. The computer can't do that...
Anyway, wish me luck!!
dcarver
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If this is true - what an amazing 1984 technology to use on the masses for government control.
Football stadiums, airports, traffic lights..
Like the all new technologies, the wonderfulness of good is contrasted to the evilness of bad.
..books
....playboytv
......FJR's....
Crivens
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I Washington you can file a "Declaration of Non-Responsibility" saying "It Wasn't ME!!"
From the Seattle Municipal Court web site:
"If you were not driving the vehicle when the alleged violation occurred, you may submit, under penalty of perjury, a written statement swearing that the vehicle was not in your care, custody, or control. To do so, print and return the declaration of non-responsibility document"
I heard an interview on the radio one night with a Seattle Police Aggressive Driving Patrol officer where he said the same thing. If you swear it wasn't you they have to drop the ticket.
From the Seattle Municipal Court web site:
"If you were not driving the vehicle when the alleged violation occurred, you may submit, under penalty of perjury, a written statement swearing that the vehicle was not in your care, custody, or control. To do so, print and return the declaration of non-responsibility document"
I heard an interview on the radio one night with a Seattle Police Aggressive Driving Patrol officer where he said the same thing. If you swear it wasn't you they have to drop the ticket.
Silver Penguin
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DD got a notice from the Irvine toll road people, with a similar message. She does live locally but the ticket was supposedly for a 1950's hearse which can barely crawl across the street on sweeping day. It is certainly a distinctive vehicle, which is probably forbidden to be driven in Irvine anyway. They do legislate which precise shades of beige you can paint your house for how many hours per day you can have your garage door open. Her ticket was nullified too. Perhaps the cost of dealing with all the bogus tickets is what makes the real ones so expensive?
