Running Through the OZARKS on a FJR

[carlson_mn]

total mile to the cabin from video start was 76 miles , ran 80 plus in the straights most of the time . After push mountain it opened up to 140 pace .through many long sweepers .

10.64 was only 3 passes , 10.70's for the first two . When you ride 9 seconds bikes often as a test rider some can go 8's if they got the turbo/clutch right . A 10.64 is a little slow . If I pushed it harder , launched higher rpms it could maybe manage a 10.50 something .

What Jerry left out is my FJR is 54 pounds lighter than stock , PCV , tuned ( no generic map , but custom ) Aftermarket suspension front /rear , and I'm 160 in full leathers/gear , Leave the bags off take another 26 pounds off my FJR .

Trap speeds were 127 and change with a single 129 mph pass in the 1/4

here are a few pictures of items on my FJR

I guess photo bucket is not allowed here on this site .

I like my FJR very much , and my brother is not happy its Faster than his 09 V Max ( stock though and he gets the early jump but is passed in 3rd around 100 mph ) Albert is also 275 pounds , and 6' 4"

I really don't mean to sound like a dick but I've run that same stretch and I know I barely touched over 100mph a couple of times (yea could of gone faster if wanted sure) when I was trying to catch the liter bikes in between the twists on PMR, and I think we covered the stretch on PMR a bit quicker than you guys (if my video comparison between mine and yours is correct) and we NEVER exceeded 100mph, but your vid and riding was awesome! That trip in the video was just a bit shy of 43 miles (not 76) for an average speed of 64mph. There was definitely no "140 pace" on highway 14 (pace actually looked pretty pedestrian on 14) after PMR but maybe you guys been referencing everything in km/hr ....

What did you do to lose 54lbs from the FJR, with specifics? Many stock FJR's have run 126+mph completely stock.... I'd expect it to run WELL above 130 with 54lbs in weight savings and a rider weighing 160.

To post from photobucket copy and paste the 'direct' link that is offered from a pic there and then click on the pic icon in the post box above.

 

[c10]

Each cat is 15 ounces , battery was 10 lb , emissions was several pounds , lead weights on pegs / passenger heel guards , hagon rear shock is 1.5 pounds lighter than oem , R6 mirrors were 11 oz lighter each , glove box lock motor key less gas cap , seat lock ( hidden cable release now ) tool kit , rear brake rotor 9 ounces ( custom made ) , stock exhaust cans saved 20 plus pounds over muzzy cans , reflectors about 6 oz , lighter horn 3 oz , Ti bolts here n there This is off the top of my head as I did all this work 2 years ago . Now after owning the FJR for nearly 3 years may pull the ABS system as I'm not a fan of it or linked braking . It all adds up a little at a time .

MPH @ the track means nothing its your 60' and 330 . I can run one bike @ 148 mph through the trap but run a 10.17 and the other 136 mph but run 10.07 two tenths quicker 60', one tenth @ 330 , so its slower on the top end , but faster over all . Both short wheelbase ( less than 60 " )

Our full chassis bike runs 8.51's @ 151

 

[carlson_mn]

Each cat is 15 ounces , battery was 10 lb , emissions was several pounds , lead weights on pegs / passenger heel guards , hagon rear shock is 1.5 pounds lighter than oem , R6 mirrors were 11 oz lighter each , glove box lock motor key less gas cap , seat lock ( hidden cable release now ) tool kit , rear brake rotor 9 ounces ( custom made ) , stock exhaust cans saved 20 plus pounds over muzzy cans , reflectors about 6 oz , lighter horn 3 oz , Ti bolts here n there This is off the top of my head as I did all this work 2 years ago . Now after owning the FJR for nearly 3 years may pull the ABS system as I'm not a fan of it or linked braking . It all adds up a little at a time .
MPH @ the track means nothing its your 60' and 330 . I can run one bike @ 148 mph through the trap but run a 10.17 and the other 136 mph but run 10.07 two tenths quicker 60', one tenth @ 330 , so its slower on the top end , but faster over all . Both short wheelbase ( less than 60 " )

Our full chassis bike runs 8.51's @ 151

Gen2 cans are only 10.5lbs EACH, so I high doubt you lost 20lbs by switching to the Muzzy pipes, probably less than a total of 8lbs. The lithium battery you're running is a nice weight loss. For a time period I also ran the stock battery under the seat but put it back up top because I felt the bike's balance was thrown off when I moved the battery. I think the engineers took into account the battery being up top there on the right. YMMV of course.

I wasn't referencing anything about driver skill as far as launching goes and its effect on the ET. My question was how your bike is only trapping similar to stock trap speeds with such light weight and tuning mods. Trap speed, as you know, is the indicator of the power your bike is making. I wouldn't be surprised if you're running near or under stock power levels, have you had it dyno'd?

Reason I say that is because another forum member did a bunch of over the top mods on intake, tuning, exhaust and his bike was outputting less than stock HP... Uselesspickles was his forum name...

 

[c10]

I see that you have not spent much time @ a track racing 1/4 mile ( not a insult just little experience ) The FJR has small cams , low rev limit , and long stroke = great 1st half , but lack luster 2nd half = low mph . Yes I have taken my FJR to a dyno , just a mere 132 hp , 98 tq . I feel a witch hunt here as I was asked to come back to this site by my friend . Click on the video , go to 18:45 I decided to leave . I was asked to not run off so some good video could be taken however I wanted a faster pace for a few minutes . When we turned left off PMR I took many long sweepers @ 140 plus . That video is

a very mild pace for myself . In the world of racing 126 mph , and 129 is HUGE were you expecting 140 ? sorry FJR wont do that without a turbo .

My personal drag bike (ZRX1200 ) runs 10.07 non corrected 1/4 mile @ 136 avg it makes 137 hp 84 tq and weighs a mere 402 pounds .

But it is a 56.5 ( short wheel base ) it can run a 9.80 with a arm taking it to 60" + but mph will only go up 1 to 3 mph

 

[carlson_mn]

No witchhunt at all... welcome back to forum and I thank you for sharing your stuff! I wasn't looking to compare myself to you or anything... I am simply an engineering technician and my brain clicks with facts and also when figures do not line up (80 miles in 40 minutes etc)... in my job I examine discrepencies and then relate to the customer to perhaps help them troubleshoot, fix or get a better understanding of their situation.

Once again though you keep going back to ET's and your drag bikes which can run quicker/faster and why. I'm not a real drag racer just a total amateur but I have taken my FJR and cars to the track. Perhaps you thought I was criticizing your FJR for having low mph? I was not and it does not have low mph. What I was really getting at is perhaps troubleshooting your bike to see if there was an issue with it after the claims of big mods and weight savings but only average (mid-high 10's @ 127 with a decent rider who can cut a 1.70) 1/4 mile times. Once I realized you've not lost nearly 54lbs off the bike I see that your times are more in line with your mods. For example my 100% stock bike + slip-ons made 128hp on two different dynos and runs very similar 1/4 mile times.... like you said the FJR has small valves and low lift cam so doing all these intake mods and tuning mods yields ALMOST nothing to the bike's power output when the valvetrain can't take advantage of it. But it's big torque and long stroke makes losing lb's effect at the strip pretty negligible. Maybe I know a little more than you thought I did but probably still very little compared to you/most....

Anyways don't get upset that I questioned some things in the end my only hope was to perhaps add to both of our knowledge of the bike. Keep on riding and sharing vids with us when you can!

 

[SoCalFJR1300]

What I was really getting at is perhaps troubleshooting your bike to see if there was an issue with it after the claims of big mods and weight savings but only average (mid-high 10's @ 127) 1/4 mile times.

I've seen videos on YOUTUBE showing FJR's doing about 11 secs plus in the quarter so C10's 10.60 or so seems about right to me.

ONLY mid/high/ 10's?? That's the fastest times I've EVER seen for a FJR!!

Also you mentioned previously that his average speed is about 64mph in that vid?? Carlson you must be watching a different video than I am!!!

 

[carlson_mn]

What I was really getting at is perhaps troubleshooting your bike to see if there was an issue with it after the claims of big mods and weight savings but only average (mid-high 10's @ 127) 1/4 mile times.

I've seen videos on YOUTUBE showing FJR's doing about 11 secs plus in the quarter so C10's 10.60 or so seems about right to me.

ONLY mid/high/ 10's?? That's the fastest times I've EVER seen for a FJR!!

Also you mentioned previously that his average speed is about 64mph in that vid?? Carlson you must be watching a different video than I am!!!

Average Joe who brings his FJR to the track can't launch the 60' well which gives the 11sec pass (C10 can educate on that reasoning)... I totally agree with you. All the mag riders posted times in the 10.6-10.8 range. A couple guys on the forum have hit 10.7's uncorrected on full weight bikes but they were probably lightweights like C10 (I'm 220 geared up and went 10.8). Like I said 10.5x's would be a record and 10.64 is OUTSTANDING.

Nope watching the same video as you... distance traveled was 43 miles in 40.3 minutes. That equates to 64mph. Once again not discounting anything (never did) just doing figures and facts.

If he covered 76 or 80 miles in 40 minutes I'd be sponsoring him at the Isle of Mann next year which is why I questioned it.

 

[SoCalFJR1300]

Nope watching the same video as you... distance traveled was 43 miles in 40.3 minutes. That equates to 64mph. Once again not discounting anything (never did) just doing figures and facts.

How do you know he went 43 miles?

 

[carlson_mn]

Nope watching the same video as you... distance traveled was 43 miles in 40.3 minutes. That equates to 64mph. Once again not discounting anything (never did) just doing figures and facts.

How do you know he went 43 miles?

See my post #20 I am familiar with the area so I simply mapped it out from the pull off where they started just north of the river on PMR, east on 14 and then north on 5 to the lodge. Admittedly it is true he did get there a bit before his partner but he was just taking his helmet off when the FZ1 pulled up. I assumed they were close to eachother most of the ride I didn't watch every second but clicked around and mostly saw the FJR within sight ahead of camera. Like I said, it was great riding and fun to watch. I'm kind of curious how you guys came up with 80 miles lol...

 

[20valves]

I've been up and down PMR dozens of times on 3 different R1's a Super Tenere and all three Gen of FJR and know the road very well. Many of the best corners are marked 25mph, some of which can be run as high as 70 with good rubber if you're feeling really racy. Better to keep it below and have at least some margin for error (there are big, steel guardrails). Plus, hammering the straightaways to astronomic speeds isn't my idea of fun on the street, that's best left to the track, imho. That said, the video looks like fun and fits right in with my experience on that road.

SoCal, you seem to be doubting the folks who have ridden the road many times with your own speculation about how long it is and what it's like. As Carlson said, a rider capable of a 120mph average on that road for its 35 mile length (especially on an FJR) is the next IOM winner and record holder. Now, maybe if the road was closed and we didn't have to stay in our own lane...

Think we could get that sanctioned? PMR could become the US's IOM!

 

[c10]

Well didn't I make a mistake . It seems it is just under 50 miles . Ill need to dig around in the CD of videos from Chuck ( rider taping on FZ1 )

As we ride lots of roads from Eureka area up into Missouri , back in to Arkansas . I could swear Chuck said hey we just covered 80 miles in less than a

hour . I assumed it was this particular video , but it is not 80 miles as stated .

On a note to the video from minute 32 till end we are stuck behind a pick up , and tanker truck . That much slowed our avg speed . Also have a look around 19 min as I wicked up the pace to my fun zone , and again @ 23 min those are really fun long sweepers .

I was asked to stay in camera view for good video .

Back to 1/4 mile questions I bet most FJR 60' foot times are 1.8's ( pretty slow ) 1.7's are avg , 1.6's are getting good , anything in the 1.5's starting to verge on pro / seasoned rider . Shaft drive does not help the FJR as it makes it want to wheelie then the simple on off action of the throttle to lower a wheelie eats a 10th of a second or more .

 

[SoCalFJR1300]

SoCal, you seem to be doubting the folks who have ridden the road many times with your own speculation about how long it is and what it's like.

Not sure how long it was that's why I asked.

As far as "what's it's like" I can see by the vid what's it's like and I've ridden many roads like it here in So Cal area.

That road reminds me a lot of Highway 33 here or Cerro Noroeste road near the 33.

I can see the speeds in the video, no way his average is 64mph....maybe more like 85 or 90mph.