Ijuggle
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Has anyone with a new ES in their garage measured the actual sag on the bike.
I am mostly interested in the sag Fully Loaded two up.
Thanks
I am mostly interested in the sag Fully Loaded two up.
Thanks
SAG measurement on the ES
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Do you mean the actual decrease in height from the ground at a specific point on the seat or tail of the bike unladed vs. when 2 are sitting on it? If so, that would greatly depend on suspension settings and weight of rider and pillion. Are you trying to figure out something?
escapefjrtist
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I would guess the OP is seeing if the ES has enough stock spring for loaded two-up riding. Load it up and let us know what numbers you come up with Allen!
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Ijuggle
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Escapefjrtist is correct. I would like to know if they have installed a spring that works when loaded, 2 up.
RaYzerman19
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You may get some clues from the first post in this thread about spring rates of various models........
https://www.fjrforum.com/forum//index.php/topic/155927-2014-electronic-suspension-spring-rates/
'Adequate' will depend on several factors, much of which will be total weight of you and pillion.
https://www.fjrforum.com/forum//index.php/topic/155927-2014-electronic-suspension-spring-rates/
'Adequate' will depend on several factors, much of which will be total weight of you and pillion.
Yes, they have. I have mentioned in numerous threads that the '14ES suspension is far more capable and compliant than my '08AE was.
We used to bottom putt the rear going over bumps and duos on the '08 even when it was set on Hard. With the ES we set out on 2up no luggage (have not ridden with cases yet but will in March or April) and the Rudd it's smoother without over taxing the spring.
Measurements will only be relative to the stiffness of the spring and not comparable to other model years. Find other reviews posted about the ES for more information. IMHO, if you ride a mixture of 1up and 2up, the ES needs to be considered!
Btw, I'm 190# and my wife is 140#.
We used to bottom putt the rear going over bumps and duos on the '08 even when it was set on Hard. With the ES we set out on 2up no luggage (have not ridden with cases yet but will in March or April) and the Rudd it's smoother without over taxing the spring.
Measurements will only be relative to the stiffness of the spring and not comparable to other model years. Find other reviews posted about the ES for more information. IMHO, if you ride a mixture of 1up and 2up, the ES needs to be considered!
Btw, I'm 190# and my wife is 140#.
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Ijuggle
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I'm very interested in an ES, (I NEED an ES), I'd just like to know how much shock travel is left to use after you load the bike to the max. Two riders w/gear, loaded bags, Givi 55, loaded tankbag (2 week vacation mode). If you put 430lbs on the bike, set the ES on 2up loaded, hard, do you end up with 1" of usable shock or 2 1/2 inch? If the number is 1" I'll be reluctantly sticking with my Wilbers.
escapefjrtist
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Perfect numbers to represent many of us. So if you set your ES to 2-up no luggage, how much does the rear end squat?
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Ijuggle
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We need two people (one to sit, one to measure) to visit Allen and find out what we're buying in ES suspension. It's winter, what else have you got to do?
I have my wife as the pillion. I just need one more person to measure! Maybe I can get my son to help out this weekend...
What exactly am I measuring - where do I take the vertical measurements, from which horizontal point? Do I use the rear axle for the horizontal point? Where to measure vertically, at the top of the rear fender, top of the rear subframe...?
Yeah, I usually measure rear sag from the axle to the lower grab rail. But I have a Givi rack with a convenient flat underside that makes it simple. You may want to put a piece of masking tape with a horizontal line on it, somewhere on your side cowling. All you care about is the difference between that measurement on the center stand and fully loaded.
And you'll want to report the total weight of passengers and gear and suspension preload settings so others can compare.
The total wheel travel is right around 5", so ideal loaded sag would be about an inch and a half.
And you'll want to report the total weight of passengers and gear and suspension preload settings so others can compare.
The total wheel travel is right around 5", so ideal loaded sag would be about an inch and a half.
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RaYzerman19
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Yep, what Fred says. Whatever you choose will likely be close enough as long as you use the same points for each measurement. I would recommend measuring at various preloads (you have 4 presets) noting which one gets you about 40mm of sag.
It would be good to measure the front as well, say bottom of triple clamp to front axle. Up there you may have less sag. Bottom line, if you can get decent sag without using the hardest setting, that would be a happy situation and judging from previous posts, it most likely is.
If the front springs are 1.0 rate, those should be similar to what many of us have done as aftermarket on previous gen's.
It would be good to measure the front as well, say bottom of triple clamp to front axle. Up there you may have less sag. Bottom line, if you can get decent sag without using the hardest setting, that would be a happy situation and judging from previous posts, it most likely is.
If the front springs are 1.0 rate, those should be similar to what many of us have done as aftermarket on previous gen's.
Don't forget, Ray, this bike has USD forks.
The easy peasy way to measure front sag is to just put a Ty-wrap around the inner fork tube. Then, after you settle the bike with the full load on-board have an assistant push the Ty-wrap up against the dust seal on the bottom of the outer fork tube. Get off the bike gently (so as not to disturb the Ty-wrap position) and put it up on the center stand to take the bike's weight off of it and fully extend the forks. Measure from the bottom of the dust seal to the Ty-wrap. Voila! Instant sag measurement.
I'll generally just leave the Ty-wrap on there for the next time I want to measure it.
I really need to devise a similar tool to measure the rear sag by yourself. Bet I could sell a bunch of 'em eh?
The easy peasy way to measure front sag is to just put a Ty-wrap around the inner fork tube. Then, after you settle the bike with the full load on-board have an assistant push the Ty-wrap up against the dust seal on the bottom of the outer fork tube. Get off the bike gently (so as not to disturb the Ty-wrap position) and put it up on the center stand to take the bike's weight off of it and fully extend the forks. Measure from the bottom of the dust seal to the Ty-wrap. Voila! Instant sag measurement.
I'll generally just leave the Ty-wrap on there for the next time I want to measure it.
I really need to devise a similar tool to measure the rear sag by yourself. Bet I could sell a bunch of 'em eh?
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BikerGeek99
Yeah, it's a concrete corn cob. So?
Allen - we are in the process of setting the date for our next Tech Weekend in Owosso, MI. Bring 'er on up - we'll help get the measurements for ya!
BikerGeek99
Yeah, it's a concrete corn cob. So?
Cool. We should be announcing the dates soon - keep an eye in the Midwest Regionals area. And Corey - AKA crumpadump - lives in your area and may be coming as well.
I know Corey...just had wings and beers with him last night! I'll keep an eye out for the dates.
RaYzerman19
Go Wings!
Yes siree, the ty-wrap works........
Here's a couple of tools....
https://www.motorcycle-usa.com/394/4363/Motorcycle-Article/ASV-Inventions-Solo-Sag-Scale-Review.aspx
https://www.motionpro.com/motorcycle/articles/view/808/tech_tip__measuring_sag_on_your_motorcycle/
