self cancelling blinkers

[Murph]

What???? No responses from the originator of the thread....

C'mon. Give the guy a break.

He's probably trying to figure out why he can move the right grip but not the left .... or why nothing is returning when he searches "If it's snowing why am I asking this question when I should be memorizing my owner's manual waiting for the snow to clear so I can ride this $&^%ing bike site:fjrforum.com".

 

[Bustanut joker]

[something is wrong on the forum all. This post just doesn't make sense. Who are you that took over RadioHowie's body and are all moderate and ****? Are you a hacker....a demon from the 7th level of Hell? What do you want? :blink:
I'm running a Level 1 diagnostic and getting some holy water....STAT!

BOO-YAAA!!!!!

Somebody/thing stole Howies Identity!!!

He's been kinda soft lately. Must be all the snowbirds have sapped his energy. :lol:

:jester:

 

[RadioHowie]

[something is wrong on the forum all. This post just doesn't make sense. Who are you that took over RadioHowie's body and are all moderate and ****? Are you a hacker....a demon from the 7th level of Hell? What do you want? :blink:
I'm running a Level 1 diagnostic and getting some holy water....STAT!

BOO-YAAA!!!!!

Somebody/thing stole Howies Identity!!!

He's been kinda soft lately. Must be all the snowbirds have sapped his energy. :lol:

:jester:

In this questionable political environment, moderation is THE way to maintain one's existence.

Oh-oh......did I just make this thread political?

Oh well, it deserves a good death. Kinda like a Klingon would appreciate.

Besides, I've had WAAY too much RonRico to respond appropriately.

:yahoo:

 

[ionbeam]

Don't want this thread to die of natural causes, so I'll bump it with a legit question or two.
I've never had a bike with self cancellers, so I don't know the answer....on those bikes that DO have them, such as the aforementioned XS1100, how did the cancellers work?

Were they triggered by time? Distance? Lateral movement of front forks? Some bizarre combination of the three?

What caused them to shut off, or is it pretty much bike/brand specific for cancellation methods?

Most aftermarket self-cancel units are straight time/distance units, some a bit better than others. Many OEM self-cancel units are time/distance, but some get more involved. My brand H self-cancel units have worked as reliably as car units. The brand H uses the standard time/distance but also monitors small movements in the steering head. To cancel, the control unit must see that at least two of three conditions are true (met). When making normal turns at intersections the turn signals always cancel. The self-canceling controller let me do a long, multi-light crawl up to my turn without falsely canceling. Like a car, when merging onto a highway or when changing lanes the signals don't self cancel.

From the FSM, note at the bottom center of the picture: the steering head position sensor and the control unit that electrically resets the turn signal relay.

[obscure]

The islands of Lilliput and Blefuscu had been permanently at war because each island's population knew that they, and only they had the correct way something should be done. The Lilliput’s knew that the only correct way to eat a hardboiled egg was from the small end, and the Blefuscu’s knew that the only correct was to eat a hardboiled egg from the big end. Thus comes the term ‘Lilliputian War’. A big, eternal war over a little non issue. Not unlike self-cancel turn signals, collapsing side stands, tires and oil.

Source: Gulliver’s Travels

[/obscure]

 

[RadioHowie]

Awesome info, Alan....

So, who's gonna be the first to head to a motorcycle salvage yard and strip the controls from some dead Harley and adapt them to a Feejer then post the "How To" to the forum?

I'm too technically challenged to jack off without a manual, so someone else is in charge of this project.

 

[ionbeam]

The brand H was followed by an onda, not an arley. The way the signal controller was integrated, it can't practically be transplanted to a FJR, the steering head can't take the crucial position sensor. FWIW, the mid ‘80s VF family that the turn signal diagram comes from have failing fuse panels, failing stator connectors, failing spark boxes, failing spedo/tachs but the turn signals keep on canceling.

 

[Bustanut joker]

I'm too technically challenged to jack off without a manual, so someone else is in charge of this project.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

 

[Graham Downunder]

Well I had an XS1100 in 1978 ,the self cancelling indicators was great everyone who road it loved them . They worked perfect on a simple system that required I think 15 seconds to have elapsed and 150 metres to have been travelled ( the exact time and distance are from my memory from 30 years ago ) . You could cancell them anytime youself by just pressing the button in . Now could someone tell me why they are not a good idea ,after all they haven't taken them off cars . In electronic terms it must cost all of $5 so it's not price.

In some ways motorcyling has not improved much in the last 30 years .

 

[Ignacio]

Now could someone tell me why they are not a good idea ,after all they haven't taken them off cars .

By all means we must emulate cars......if something exists on them it must naturally belong on a motorcycle. We need to switch the handlebars with a wheel that spins round and round. Actually, why don't we all just emulate airplanes and have flaps?

Read the threads if you want an explanation of why they're not a good idea. Some like 'em...some don't. And it seems rare that a pro person is going to convince a con person....or vice versa. It's all been hashed out before in this thread and a hundred+ other threads over the years.

 

[Bustanut joker]

[quot It's all been hashed out before in this thread for a hundred + years.

Seems like this threads about that old :blink: Die thread Die!

Yeah I'm con. It's about paying attention, being aware.

:jester:

 

[jekirby]

Not to perpetuate an ever done thread, but I've had bikes with and bikes without. I learned to use both. It has never occured to me to question why one did and one did not--I don't ride because of the blinker.

 

[Bustanut joker]

Yea.

Heh Heh, ol Kerbys more worried about the trainin' wheel mounts.

:jester:

 

[jekirby]

Yea. Heh Heh, ol Kerbys more worried about the trainin' wheel mounts.

:jester:

Keep that up and I'll take my ball and go home B)

 

[Graham Downunder]

Now could someone tell me why they are not a good idea ,after all they haven't taken them off cars .

By all means we must emulate cars......if something exists on them it must naturally belong on a motorcycle. We need to switch the handlebars with a wheel that spins round and round. Actually, why don't we all just emulate airplanes and have flaps?

Read the threads if you want an explanation of why they're not a good idea. Some like 'em...some don't. And it seems rare that a pro person is going to convince a con person....or vice versa. It's all been hashed out before in this thread and a hundred+ other threads over the years.

So if you do not want them switch them off yourself you have that option ,they could even set up the electronics so you could choose to have it at all,not hard .On the XS 1100 you had to travell both the distance and the time ,so if you forgot to turn them off they cancelled, simple system .

 

[Charlie Hoss]

Don't presume it's a cheapness thing.

I'm, for one, glad they don't exist. They breed complacency. Those that forget to turn off their turn signals are harbingers of larger attention problems in the motorcyclist gene pool. Or at the very least I know when I ride with groups who to avoid and not ride around in the future.

Iggy,

If you quit riding with everyone who ever left his signal on, you'd quickly be riding alone. You certainly wouldn't be riding with me. :dribble:

 

[Ignacio]

So if you do not want them switch them off yourself you have that option ,they could even set up the electronics so you could choose to have it at all,not hard .On the XS 1100 you had to travell both the distance and the time ,so if you forgot to turn them off they cancelled, simple system .

You're right, I don't have to mess with anything.......because they don't exist on the FJR...which is great! And those that want this option can add it via after-market. All is good.

...and if you couldn't tell.....I'm one of those that isn't ever going to be sold that it would be good.....so don't waste your keystrokes.

 

[wel1123]

Guess some of these fanatics rip the self cancelling mechanism out of their cars too! Not gonna catch them with some kinda automatic self operating gizmo on their ride, or maybe it's to high tech?? Yeah that's right, I love to stir up **** and this topic is deep in it.

 

[RadioHowie]

Guess some of these fanatics rip the self cancelling mechanism out of their cars too! Not gonna catch them with some kinda automatic self operating gizmo on their ride, or maybe it's to high tech?? Yeah that's right, I love to stir up **** and this topic is deep in it.

I'm guessin' most of the self-cancel haters don't have enough power hookups left for a self-cancel system since they've tied them up with GPS units, audio systems, intercoms and cruise controls.

Y'know, typical motorcycle must-have accessories.