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I've had the 45 on my 06 for a few years now with no issues(other than the rubber seal coming partially out of the lip). Just to clear things up, if you use the Shad 'Topmaster' bracket to attach the case it does NOT contact the stock plastic rack at all. It's a steel bracket that bolts in place using the three bolt holes for the plastic bracket, so it's bolted to the subframe. Granted, it is hanging out there in a cantelever fashion, therefore I don't put heavy stuff in there while traveling. The wife does lean back on it some and I do inspect it occasionally for cracks in the welds and so far, so good. YMMV.

 
I've had the 45 on my 06 for a few years now with no issues(other than the rubber seal coming partially out of the lip). Just to clear things up, if you use the Shad 'Topmaster' bracket to attach the case it does NOT contact the stock plastic rack at all. It's a steel bracket that bolts in place using the three bolt holes for the plastic bracket, so it's bolted to the subframe. Granted, it is hanging out there in a cantelever fashion, therefore I don't put heavy stuff in there while traveling. The wife does lean back on it some and I do inspect it occasionally for cracks in the welds and so far, so good. YMMV.
Sh!t you're right! I just went out and took it apart. The Topster mount goes down through the plastic rack. Must be why it feels so solid. So now I too can carry my ice and beer around :yahoo:

 
I've had the 45 on my 06 for a few years now with no issues(other than the rubber seal coming partially out of the lip). Just to clear things up, if you use the Shad 'Topmaster' bracket to attach the case it does NOT contact the stock plastic rack at all. It's a steel bracket that bolts in place using the three bolt holes for the plastic bracket, so it's bolted to the subframe. Granted, it is hanging out there in a cantelever fashion, therefore I don't put heavy stuff in there while traveling. The wife does lean back on it some and I do inspect it occasionally for cracks in the welds and so far, so good. YMMV.
Sh!t you're right! I just went out and took it apart. The Topster mount goes down through the plastic rack. Must be why it feels so solid. So now I too can carry my ice and beer around :yahoo:
I wouldn't go over a twelve pack and half a bag of ice! ;)

 
Thanks for the thread Georgia Roller! I presently do not have a top case so it was nice to get all these different views on the subject.

Bryan

 
I stole one of GR's pics and drew a line on it showing the location of that rearmost bolt, in the center of the stock rack, just so we're clear on how far behind the bike's actual structure any (not just the Shad) top case will be hanging.

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GR,

Your photos show the Shad attachment plate. It obviously does not load the FJR rear rack...but deposits the load to the FJR rear subframe.

However it is the rear subframe that is the issue here. From what I understand from others, as I do not own a top case myself, GIVI has an attachment/fitment frame that bypasses the FJR rear subframe...or atleast lessens the load on the FJR rear subframe.

This is the bone of contention: Some of the Shad owners like El Toro Joe say they've had the Shad for X years no problem, others have reported rear subframe cracks. I guess it will depend on how much you load up the top case and how bumpy the roads are that you ride on.

For myself, I appreciate you posting up the threads, as I have learned more about the issues involved. This has been helpful for when I make my decision to get a top case.

 
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1. ...or at least lessens the load on the FJR rear subframe.

2. I guess it will depend on how much you load up the top case and how bumpy the roads are that you ride on.
1. That is my take as well. There of is some weight on the stock oem rack but it is lessened and most of the weight is transferred on the Shad steel plate and steel bolt going down into the bikes subframe.

2. IMO this is also very true. If you want to put 20lbs, 30lbs or more in these top cases I'm sure over time you could have an issue. To me these top cases are for some lighter gear that I can quickly & easily access without having to mess with the side loading saddle bags. I don't think I'll ever have more than 10 lbs - 12 lbs of gear in these top cases myself...but thats just me.

Note: You can always decide to purchase the Givi rack and then the Shad topcase. Each Shad topcase comes with a universal mounting plate.

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This shows the steel Shad bracket attachment more clearly.

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GR,

Your photos show the Shad attachment plate. It obviously does not load the FJR rear rack...but deposits the load to the FJR rear subframe.

I agree, that is a great picture of the Shad mounting rack, and clearly shows what is going on. But I disagree with the idea that there is no loading of the stock plastic luggage "rack". Yes, the rear center mounting bolt does transfer load directly down to the bike's subframe (the GIVI works this way too), but look at the forward part of that bracket. It clamps directly to the forward horizontal member of the plastic rack. So the plastic rack is bearing the weight of the trunk in the front.

We've already seen from wfooshie's marked up diagram that the entire case is seriously cantilevered off the rear end of the bike. That means that the solid center bolt mount will act as a fulcrum and we will be prying the Shad's steel plate bracket against the plastic rack.

The racks have two vertical pieces at the front edge that also go down through the rear cowling to the subframe to support the front end of the rack.

Here's what we're looking at on a Givi:

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Both the stock plastic rack and the Givi steel frame fasten at these same 3 rearmost points of the subframe. These three points support the entire load onto the rear cast alloy subframe.

Here' a pic of where the two vertical elements fasten to that subframe.

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So, all the weight of the trunk and its contents will be cantelevered on this subframe and this is what ends up eventually cracking if overloaded, usually just to the side of that red button. THat button is just a means to turn off my bright Whelen LED 3rd brake light. I've actually never needed to use it.

Now this is where the GIVI Is different.

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The Givi rack also replaces the two passenger grab handles, which become long, relatively stiff levers against the cantilevered forces on the subframe. In essence, those handles are struts resisting the sub-frame from flexing under load. The stock plastic grab handles aren't stiff enough to prevent the subframe from flexing and cracking.

Now, in all fairness, there is a sticker on the GIVI rack stating that its maximum load capacity is 13 lbs, which would one would think would have to include the weight of the trunk itself. My empty V46 trunk weighs 10 lbs. :huh: Obviously that doesn't give you much headroom for dropping a case of frosty cold beers in there. But I'm pretty sure that is just a CYA sticker to limit Givi's liability. And, FWIW, the stock plastic rack (rear carrier) is only rated for 7 lbs. on first gens, 9 lbs on 2nd gens, so you do the math. ;)

 
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Thanks Fred for the informative photos.

I am pretty sure I am going to need a topcase this summer as wifey goes on a weeklong trip with me. I will be getting the GIVI fitment subframe...and either a SHAD or GIVI Case. In either case, it looks like I shouldn't be storing my tool case up there. :D

 
You're very welcome, Mark.

Fully understand your need. My Givi never goes on the bike except when the missus is on it.

It's functions as her backrest and expands our baggage capacity as required by the missing Y chromosome. ;)

 
Again to GeorgiaRoller, and others following, The fact that the Shad plate "bypasses" the stock rack is irrelevant. If the plate bolted directly to the stock rack rather than floated up above it, the load on the subframe is the same.

My point has not been whether the Shad system is better than stock, it's been that the maximum load is no higher than stock, still being shared by the subframe and the grab handles. The grab handles prevent the subframe bulkhead from flexing down and out, leading to cracks. The stock rack is not the problem; the problem is the load hanging out behind the bike, torquing the rear subframe that carries those mounting bolts. If the load is too high, the grab handles themselves crack, followed soon by the subframe.

The Givi steel rack and handles strengthen the whole system very well, allowing you to put real stuff into the top case should the need arise. Some clothes or other soft goods is not a problem. A camera bag or laptop case might be more of a consideration.

Again, I'm not telling you that you did wrong with the Shad. I'm telling you to be aware of what you put in it. That's a nice looking case, and the price is certainly enviable.

 
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"(the GIVI works this way too), but look at the forward part of that bracket. It clamps directly to the forward horizontal member of the plastic rack. So the plastic rack is bearing the weight of the trunk in the front."

The Shad bracket on my 06 (Shad 42) does not mount the same way. It utilizes the three bolts of the factory rack (not the plastic cross member). I have never had any issues with it being fully loaded. Come on people, all of these mounts mount to the sub-frame...so ANY of them will cause a problem if overloaded.

 
That dull gray SHAD looks like a turd sitting on top of a shiny new Porsche. Functional I am sure but what a way to detract from the natural beauty of an FJR.

 
Come on people, all of these mounts mount to the sub-frame...so ANY of them will cause a problem if overloaded.
You're right, Joe. As I pointed out the main advantage of using a GIVI mounting frame is that the steel passenger handles reinforce the suspect subframe. But if you overload it enough both the subframe and the steel mounting bracket can break. It's just a matter of degrees.

 
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That dull gray SHAD looks like a turd sitting on top of a shiny new Porsche. Functional I am sure but what a way to detract from the natural beauty of an FJR.
I think you are mistaken as to what you are looking at. The dull gray frame that I see is the GIVI frame that supports the GIVI top case. I don't believe anything about the SHAD was dull gray.

Nothing detracts more from the natural beauty of an FJR than a subframe crack.

Also, Joe...the Shad loads the subframe differently than the GIVI...that is for sure. But I am also heartened by your anecdotal evidence that you SHAD has worked fine for you all these years. It shows me that the SHAD system can work fine if you are aware of the load limits and don't exceed it.

 
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Thanks for all the info. All the inputs helped me make some decisions. First of all I went to the dealer today and picked up a Touring Windscreen. Went for a short ride and got to 60 mph. Wow it is wonderful to be out of the turbulence. Then tonight got my emails from shadonline and ordered the SH 45 and FJR rack with a 10% discount. Since I am in Florida I had to pay the sales tax but still a lot less than the Givi and lots of good reviews. Wanted to order from Yamaha but they no longer carry anything larger than the SH 33. A little too small. I won't be using the top case daily. Only for trips when more luggage is needed.

Orbit

 
Then tonight got my emails from shadonline and ordered the SH 45 and FJR rack with a 10% discount...I won't be using the top case daily.
Great! I hope it works out for you Orbit and hopefully you like the SH45 topcase!

I rode 100 miles yesterday and I had my saddlebags off and just the topcase on. I have it 75% full with just light gear. I must say it was SO NICE to get my stuff in/out of the topcase instead of fooling with the side loading saddlebags. I was curious if I could tell the topcase was back there at cruising speeds and what kind of wind buffeting it might get.

I can say that at 65-70mph I never knew it was back there. I also put my clutch hand back there at speed to see where the wind was hitting the case. It appeared to me that 90% of the front of the case was not getting hit by the wind coming from my windscreen & my body. It seemed like the wind current was just barely hitting the sides of the front of the case. That made me feel better. I was hoping it wasn't a big giant air dam riding behind me.

My plan is to actually leave the OEM saddlebags off and leave the Shad topcase on 90% of the time. I'm really only going to put the saddlebags on for overnight trips and those will become my clothing suitcases. But I can't stress again how nice it was to have much quicker access to your daily riding gear and not have to worry about being parked on an angle & have your gear come tumbling out when you open your side cases. I've got the Yamaha liner bags in the side cases but the topcase is still the way to go for accessing light gear IMO.

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I suppose that this just supports the concept that we all have our own personal needs, desires, and aesthetic tastes. For me, I'd much rather deal with the side opening saddlebags, and keep the carried weight down low, than pull the saddlebags off and run with just the top case on. The only reason I can envision that being "the best way to go" is the commuters in CA that need to stay thin to lane split. To me, having the side bags off and a rear trunk sticking up in the back just looks odd. But as I said... to each his own.

On solo day rides I generally leave the left bag empty and put any gear I need in the right side bag, because it will be facing up when the bike is parked on the side stand. The empty left side bag is where I can quickly stuff my helmet and gloves at stops. I do use those nylon buckled straps inside to help arrange and restrain the gear from shifting around inside the right bag.

My rear trunk only goes on if there will be a passenger (her back-rest) or for an extended trip, which usually includes said passenger.

For my first EOM trip I went without the pillion, but with the rear trunk for the added storage space. I had not yet mastered the concept of minimalist packing when riding, back then. Now I would easily fit my own gear into the two side cases. The trunk without passenger did create some squirrelly aerodynamics, but only at higher speeds and in the turbulent air of interstate highways with the truck traffic. Below ~75 mph it has never been apparent to me under any conditions. It isn't an unsafe condition, as far as I can tell, just an undesirable wobbly feeling.

My aesthetic preference (and yeah, I even like the black Bagster tank cover). On tour, in Nova Scotia, June 2011

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