Spare key will not start my 08

[mcatrophy]

..... hold a known good chip key beside it and try the non-chip key. Should work. Maybe not, the responses from the two keys will most likely interfere with each other, the receiver won't see the correct code.
Anyway, if I were the OP, first thing to try is reprogramming the original key to determine if the chip is usable. That's the best thing to try.

 

[Nanahanman]

There is a way to copy the chip data and burn it to a fob that can be used with a regular key to start the bike. Had a similar problem trying to get a set of spare keys with no red key from the previous owner. PM me for more info.

I'd be interested to hear about this. I have an extra non-chip key on my key ring (I use it for the bags, seat and gas cap to save the $$$ chip key). If I try to start the bike with that key - even with the immobilizer key right beside it, the bike won't start and the security light flashes. I'd think that whatever chip you use would have to be inside the transponder ring.

Got to a locksmith that handles car keys.

They usually have a piece of equipment that can copy the data from the original chip key.

That data is "burned" onto a small fob. Ran about $85 CDN for mine.

Tape, glue or use whatever method you want to connect the fob to a regular style copy of the original key.

You could keep the fob on a split ring or chain but keep in mind, the fob has to be pretty close to the bezil of the ignition switch to talk to the ECU.

It is a bit clunky and you may want to use it as a spare but it does work.

I will post a pic soon.

 

[FJR Flyer]

Just had to get a transponder key done for my 'new to me' Ford Ranger. Local hardware store can replicate the factory key programming with a little box in the store.

We Seppos have a hard time with complex concepts, like why y'all don't know our gooder English.

 

[Nanahanman]

In the case of the FJR keys, the locksmiths don't have access to "new" Yamaha chip keys so the fob option is all that can be done.(AFAIK)

Does work and is MUCH cheaper than the Yamaha solution of replaciong the whole ECU. (really Yamaha?!?!?!...)

 

[RaYzerman19]

There is no need to replace the ECU as long as you have the red master key to enable you to reprogram the 'working' black keys. If a black key cannot be reprogrammed, get a replacement.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Yamaha-Genuine-Blank-Key-w-Micro-Chip-for-Bike-with-Immobilizer-5SL-82511-08-/252515176964?hash=item3acb13d204:g:SXEAAOSwo6lWFopq&vxp=mtr

 

[Queensland Ken]

Yamaha solution of replacing the whole ECU

It's not Yamaha's solution, it's the only way to have a working bike and the reason why there is such a thing as a immobiliser in the first place.

It is rare, having a need for the master key, but a few years ago, some dealers were proactive in replacing the ECU on some of the Gen 2 bikes that were suffering fuelling issues. I was one of those owners.

They did it during the S4 bypass harness recall.

You had to bring the mater key with you at the time for the ECU reprogramming.

A lot of the cop bikes and a few others couldn't have their ECU swapped out, as they were sold / actioned off without the master key.

I know of only one place in Australia that will encode a master key for big $$$$$

 

[Nanahanman]

Yamaha solution of replacing the whole ECU

It's not Yamaha's solution, it's the only way to have a working bike and the reason why there is such a thing as a immobiliser in the first place.

They have this feature in cars and you don't have to swap out the whole ECU to get key copies made.

Still expensive to get car key copies but not as expensive as replacing the whole ECU.

I would like to know the technical reason this is necessary on a bike but not a car.

 

[Nanahanman]

Figuring out how to post pics.

 

[Nanahanman]

Looks like this worked

 

[Queensland Ken]

and you don't have to swap out the whole ECU to get key copies made.

You apparently do not understand the difference between the master red key and the 2 black keys.

You can not copy a master key without spending huge dollars, you can easily copy a normal chipped key.

The master key can perform functions that a normal chipped key can't.

There is a difference between the 2 types of keys, might pay to read up on the manuals.

 

[Nanahanman]

and you don't have to swap out the whole ECU to get key copies made.

You apparently do not understand the difference between the master red key and the 2 black keys.

You can not copy a master key without spending huge dollars, you can easily copy a normal chipped key.

The master key can perform functions that a normal chipped key can't.

There is a difference between the 2 types of keys, might pay to read up on the manuals.

I understand how Yamaha has set up the ECU and keys. I have been through the whole thing when trying to get a second key made.

My reading and comprehension skills are just fine, thanks.

My point is that it seems a rather more complicated solution than is needed, compared to cars. They are not THAT different but Yamaha seems to want to make it so.

I can see having to swap out the ECU if you have no keys at all.

I just had a copy of my Mazda car key made and all they had to do was read the original key and burn the data onto a new key. Simple. No "special " red keys required.(didn't get one with the used bike)

Can't do that with the Yamaha bike keys as blank chip keys for Yamaha motorcycles are not available.

As it worked out, I was able to get a duplicate and even though it looks a bit ratty, works great.

 

[Fred W]

I find it somewhat hard to believe that the theft rate of FJR1300 motorcycles is that much higher in the ROW (Rest Of the World) that it would require an immobiliz(s)er circuit to keep your theft insurance in check. I mean, in Canada? Really? They are all so polite there, who is boosting sport touring bikes?

Is theft insurance even mandatory in these worlds? Seems like a giant crock of dog poop to me. Just park next to the Gixxers and your conservative old man bike will never get yoinked.

Just sayin'

 

[RaYzerman19]

and you don't have to swap out the whole ECU to get key copies made.

You apparently do not understand the difference between the master red key and the 2 black keys.

You can not copy a master key without spending huge dollars, you can easily copy a normal chipped key.

The master key can perform functions that a normal chipped key can't.

There is a difference between the 2 types of keys, might pay to read up on the manuals.

I understand how Yamaha has set up the ECU and keys. I have been through the whole thing when trying to get a second key made.

My reading and comprehension skills are just fine, thanks.

My point is that it seems a rather more complicated solution than is needed, compared to cars. They are not THAT different but Yamaha seems to want to make it so.

I can see having to swap out the ECU if you have no keys at all.

I just had a copy of my Mazda car key made and all they had to do was read the original key and burn the data onto a new key. Simple. No "special " red keys required.(didn't get one with the used bike)

Can't do that with the Yamaha bike keys as blank chip keys for Yamaha motorcycles are not available.

As it worked out, I was able to get a duplicate and even though it looks a bit ratty, works great.

With the red key, you don't need a "they" to read the original and burn the data..... you do it yourself following the procedure. And yes you can buy blank chip keys.

 

[Nanahanman]

With the red key, you don't need a "they" to read the original and burn the data..... you do it yourself following the procedure. And yes you can buy blank chip keys.

Without the "red" key, it's hard to follow "the proceedure".

As for blank chip keys, I probably should have said that the locksmith did not have access to them.

I recall, it was a while ago and I'm getting older

, that I talked to Yamaha Canada and they were firm on the fact that their proceedure was the only way to get a key copy.

No red key, replace the ECU at a cost of $1500.

Apparently, that's not the case as I was able to get a copy for under $100.

I didn't post this info to get into a debate about how Yamaha copied keys, but rather to post a cheap solution to the problem.