SPLIT: Off-Topic Crap

[hppants]

There is a similar statue in Louisiana re:footpegs. Same context. I believe your Popo was a little over entusiastic. I would think the premise is that bikes not designed for a passenger shouldn't be carrying one. Also, there's a lot of moving machinery under the pillion's seat - wouldn't want to get a foot caught in there.

However in Louisiana, there is a statue that does not allow a rider to stand up on the pegs. Some time ago, I was standing on my pegs going through a very small town... er... speed trap. I saw the Popo a hundred yards away, sitting behind a tree with his ticket gun. Running exactly 25 mph, I wasn't concerned. He light up the roof bar and pulled me over. Same drill - very polite, cited the statue for standing on the pegs, gave me a warning, and let me go. I looked it up when I got home - this one is very specific and clearly disallows one standing. I still do it very infrequently, and only for a few seconds now. No point in inviting a shake down.

 

[TomInPA]

...I got pulled over once for "stunt riding" because I had stood up to pop my knees...

You do NOT want to stand up on the pegs in Ontario Canada, it is part of a long list of things under the category of Stunt Riding; even riding a set amount over the speed limit is considered Stunt Riding and the same penalties apply in addition to the speeding fines.

In Ontario:

If you are determined by the sole discretion of a police officer to be "Stunt Driving", you will have your vehicle seized for 7 days, lose your license for 7 days, and face a fine between $2,000 and $10,000. This is not determined in a court, it is at the roadside, and there is no appeals process. If you are caught driving another vehicle while your license is suspended the fines and penalties are extreme.

Damn! That's unamerican.

Thanks for the heads up. Next time I visit Niagra Falls or the north shore, I'll be more aware.

 

[shakin]

From my understanding of LEO's definitions regarding riders:

The driver of a motorcycle is the operator.

Anyone on the motorcycle is a rider(including the operator and passenger(s)).

In Ontario it's not the standing on the pegs, it's that your bottom is not touching the seat:

Highway Traffic Act ONTARIO REGULATION 455/07 RACES, CONTESTS AND STUNTS

Definition, “stunt”

3. For the purposes of section 172 of the Act, “stunt” includes any activity where one or more persons engage in any of the following driving behaviours:

6. Driving a motor vehicle while the driver is not sitting in the driver’s seat.

Here is the link to stunting in Ontario: https://www.e-laws.gov.on.ca/html/regs/english/elaws_regs_070455_e.htm

It's really overkill as almost everything on this law can be enforced using other laws already in force.

 

[puppychow]

...I got pulled over once for "stunt riding" because I had stood up to pop my knees...

You do NOT want to stand up on the pegs in Ontario Canada, it is part of a long list of things under the category of Stunt Riding; even riding a set amount over the speed limit is considered Stunt Riding and the same penalties apply in addition to the speeding fines.

In Ontario:

If you are determined by the sole discretion of a police officer to be "Stunt Driving", you will have your vehicle seized for 7 days, lose your license for 7 days, and face a fine between $2,000 and $10,000. This is not determined in a court, it is at the roadside, and there is no appeals process. If you are caught driving another vehicle while your license is suspended the fines and penalties are extreme.

Fook Canada (Ontario) sounds like a great place to live. I can't wait to move there. I will be the stunta with mad standing on pegs skillz!

 

[wheatonFJR]

...I got pulled over once for "stunt riding" because I had stood up to pop my knees...

You do NOT want to stand up on the pegs in Ontario Canada, it is part of a long list of things under the category of Stunt Riding; even riding a set amount over the speed limit is considered Stunt Riding and the same penalties apply in addition to the speeding fines.

In Ontario:

If you are determined by the sole discretion of a police officer to be "Stunt Driving", you will have your vehicle seized for 7 days, lose your license for 7 days, and face a fine between $2,000 and $10,000. This is not determined in a court, it is at the roadside, and there is no appeals process. If you are caught driving another vehicle while your license is suspended the fines and penalties are extreme.

Fook Canada (Ontario) sounds like a great place to live. I can't wait to move there. I will be the stunta with mad standing on pegs skillz!

Only pegs you will be standing on sir, is in an Ontario jail!

 

[08FJR4ME]

I got pulled over last month by a state trooper. I beet a lane violation charge 3 years ago in court. Well guess what! That SOB still had it pulled up in his cruiser and proceeded to read me the riot act. From what I have been told they can go back up to 7 years and see every violation you were ever ticketed for. Even if you were found not guilty in a court of law. That just aint right in my opinion.

Dave

 

[Klubis]

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Yup! This! Me too!

 

[hppants]

I got pulled over last month by a state trooper. I beet a lane violation charge 3 years ago in court. Well guess what! That SOB still had it pulled up in his cruiser and proceeded to read me the riot act. From what I have been told they can go back up to 7 years and see every violation you were ever ticketed for. Even if you were found not guilty in a court of law. That just aint right in my opinion.

Dave

Dave:

In my State, that's not just "ain't right", it's illegal. My job requires me to run the Official Driving Records (ODR) for our employee drivers (some 1500+) annually. I'm quite familiar with the laws/regulations associated with this. The only thing that should appear on one's ODR is anything for which there is a conviction or no contender plea. Warnings, not guilty proceedings, moving violations dismissed (aka "fixed"), and non-moving violations are not allowed on ODR's and may not be used in any Popo's discretion.

This makes me wonder if your own ODR may have a flaw in it (I've seen it hundreds of times). I would suggest you visit your State's DMV and request a copy of your own ODR - you may have to pay $5.00 or so to get it. If you still have paperwork associated with any discrepancy, you can ask the court having jurisdiction for that discrepancy to fix it.

 

[BkerChuck]

Wife and I were pulled over in Virginia several years ago for "riding 2 abreast in one lane of traffic". She rides her own bike. Apparently the officer felt that her front wheel overlapped my rear somewhat and that was sufficient to pull us over and cite both of us. In Virginia at that time this citation fell under their reckless driving statutes and could have cost us up to $2500 each in fines and up to a year in jail, like a DUI! We had to return to Virginia and go before the magistrate to plead our case. Fortunately he had a cooler head than the officer involved and dismissed the charge. He agreed that a warning would have been more appropriate as we were from out of state and the state had no posted signage to alert visitors of this fact.

In our home state of PA and our surrounding states this is legal. In Virginia, at least at that time, you cannot pull up beside each other even at a traffic light or stop sign! I've since learned that as of 2008 when this took place, the only 2 states with a law on their books making this illegal were Virginia and Vermont.

 

[puppychow]

I got pulled over last month by a state trooper. I beet a lane violation charge 3 years ago in court. Well guess what! That SOB still had it pulled up in his cruiser and proceeded to read me the riot act. From what I have been told they can go back up to 7 years and see every violation you were ever ticketed for. Even if you were found not guilty in a court of law. That just aint right in my opinion.

Dave

In my State, that's not just "ain't right", it's illegal.

You forget that Dave lives in the People's Republik of Massachusetts.

 

[wheatonFJR]

Wife and I were pulled over in Virginia several years ago for "riding 2 abreast in one lane of traffic". She rides her own bike. Apparently the officer felt that her front wheel overlapped my rear somewhat and that was sufficient to pull us over and cite both of us. In Virginia at that time this citation fell under their reckless driving statutes and could have cost us up to $2500 each in fines and up to a year in jail, like a DUI! We had to return to Virginia and go before the magistrate to plead our case. Fortunately he had a cooler head than the officer involved and dismissed the charge. He agreed that a warning would have been more appropriate as we were from out of state and the state had no posted signage to alert visitors of this fact.
In our home state of PA and our surrounding states this is legal. In Virginia, at least at that time, you cannot pull up beside each other even at a traffic light or stop sign! I've since learned that as of 2008 when this took place, the only 2 states with a law on their books making this illegal were Virginia and Vermont.

wow...good to know

 

[ionbeam]

April 15, 2012 -- Gov. Bob McDonnell has signed legislation permitting them (motorcyclists) to ride two abreast in a single driving lane in Virginia. House Bill 97, sponsored by Delegate Tony Wilt of Harrisonburg, allows two-wheeled motorcycles to drive alongside each other in one lane. Current state law prohibits motorcyclists from doing that; violators may be charged with reckless driving.

HB 97, which McDonnell signed into law in Feb. 28, will take effect July 1.

“The bill allows riders to use their own judgment in determining when it is appropriate to ride beside someone, but does not require them to do so,” said Wilt, a Republican who has served the House since 2010.

“One goal is to eliminate the harsh punishment placed on riders for doing something as innocent as pulling aside another rider while stopped or taking off together after being stopped.”

Virginia will become the 49th state to accommodate two-abreast riding. Vermont remains the only state to prohibit the practice.

From the Vermont Motorcycle Drivers Manual:

You have full use of the traffic lane, but two motorcycles or motor-driven cycles shall not be operated beside each other in the same lane of traffic.

I learned something about riding in VT! Give: no side by side riding in VT. Get: Unless a road sign specifically states no passing on a double yellow, it is permissible to pass on a double yellow with caution.

 

[TomInPA]

...I got pulled over once for "stunt riding" because I had stood up to pop my knees...

You do NOT want to stand up on the pegs in Ontario Canada, it is part of a long list of things under the category of Stunt Riding; even riding a set amount over the speed limit is considered Stunt Riding and the same penalties apply in addition to the speeding fines.

In Ontario:

If you are determined by the sole discretion of a police officer to be "Stunt Driving", you will have your vehicle seized for 7 days, lose your license for 7 days, and face a fine between $2,000 and $10,000. This is not determined in a court, it is at the roadside, and there is no appeals process. If you are caught driving another vehicle while your license is suspended the fines and penalties are extreme.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Ontario's neighbor require the use of snow tires on any vehicle (motorcycle) between December and March? Mandatory seasonal layoff? Canada seems to have variations in the vehicle laws from provice to provice, and those of us south of the border mostly don't know what to expect. I have heard of relatively low speeds being capable of earning jail time and confiscation of the vehicle.

 

[BkerChuck]

April 15, 2012 -- Gov. Bob McDonnell has signed legislation permitting them (motorcyclists) to ride two abreast in a single driving lane in Virginia. House Bill 97, sponsored by Delegate Tony Wilt of Harrisonburg, allows two-wheeled motorcycles to drive alongside each other in one lane. Current state law prohibits motorcyclists from doing that; violators may be charged with reckless driving.
HB 97, which McDonnell signed into law in Feb. 28, will take effect July 1.

“The bill allows riders to use their own judgment in determining when it is appropriate to ride beside someone, but does not require them to do so,” said Wilt, a Republican who has served the House since 2010.

“One goal is to eliminate the harsh punishment placed on riders for doing something as innocent as pulling aside another rider while stopped or taking off together after being stopped.”

Virginia will become the 49th state to accommodate two-abreast riding. Vermont remains the only state to prohibit the practice.

From the Vermont Motorcycle Drivers Manual:

You have full use of the traffic lane, but two motorcycles or motor-driven cycles shall not be operated beside each other in the same lane of traffic.

I learned something about riding in VT! Give: no side by side riding in VT. Get: Unless a road sign specifically states no passing on a double yellow, it is permissible to pass on a double yellow with caution.

I did say it was a few years ago.... Seriously, thanks for the update. I knew it was in discussion to change their law, I didn't know it had been done.

 

[BigOgre]

POINT #2
A written warning does NOT go on your driving record in Georgia. But it does stay in the system for police officers and if you get pulled over again another officer can access that information.

I dont like that part.... ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I gotta agree with BWV here. In New York we don't have the warning system; you either get summoned or sent on your way. Pros and cons can be argued I suppose but just about everyone, LEOs included, recognize that some motorists have the ability to get themselves out of tickets more so than others. Without documented warnings a cop has no way of knowing just how many times someone has gotten pulled over and "given a break." To counter that some officers here will jot down something another cop will recognize immediately somewhere inconspicuously on the motorists paperwork e,g, date and violation section, before handing it back to them and letting them off with a "verbal warning." This might go completely unnoticed by the driver.

The point of all this is that the next officer will definitely be biased in some fashion during the next stop. Personally, if you've been pulled over for an infraction and warned and then proceed to get pulled over again fairly soon afterwards, it's kinda of hard to complain about not getting another break. But if you never committed an infraction in the first place and were pulled over anyways, you shouldn't have to be looked at as a repeat offender by the next officer who stops you. I hope you won't be finding yourself in that situation any time in the future but why risk it? It might be worth your while to see about getting that warning purged from the system.

 

[lnewlf]

new law in GSNY [great State of NY]-prosecutors can look back 10 years...especially with regard to pleading down tickets...

 

[RaYzerman19]

...I got pulled over once for "stunt riding" because I had stood up to pop my knees...

You do NOT want to stand up on the pegs in Ontario Canada, it is part of a long list of things under the category of Stunt Riding; even riding a set amount over the speed limit is considered Stunt Riding and the same penalties apply in addition to the speeding fines.

In Ontario:

If you are determined by the sole discretion of a police officer to be "Stunt Driving", you will have your vehicle seized for 7 days, lose your license for 7 days, and face a fine between $2,000 and $10,000. This is not determined in a court, it is at the roadside, and there is no appeals process. If you are caught driving another vehicle while your license is suspended the fines and penalties are extreme.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Ontario's neighbor require the use of snow tires on any vehicle (motorcycle) between December and March? Mandatory seasonal layoff? Canada seems to have variations in the vehicle laws from provice to provice, and those of us south of the border mostly don't know what to expect. I have heard of relatively low speeds being capable of earning jail time and confiscation of the vehicle.

i believe it's November 15 to April 15th, during which period all motor vehicles are required to have snow tires in Quebec........... if you can put snow tires on your bike (front and back), go for it..... if you know Quebec winters, you're probably not riding much more than a week or two outside those dates anyway.

 

[hppants]

One of my posts became the basis for a SOTC thread.

I feel like I've crossed a Rite of Passage!

 

[beemerdons]

One of my posts became the basis for a SOTC thread.
I feel like I've crossed a Rite of Passage!

+1, Gunny; Sincerest Congratulations hppants, now get back to work planning the Mardi Gras 2015 FJR Ride! jes' sayin' and nuff said!