***SPOILER*** Mugello MotoGP result

[Windjammer]

I'm not a huge Nicky Hayden fan, in fact I admire Rossi a bit more. But let's give credit where it's due. Nicky is the only guy in many years time who was able to take the championship from Rossi - a formidable task since Rossi matches his excellent on track performance with equally devastating "mind games" he plays on his competitors. Look how he affected Max and Sete - both guys let Rossi get to them with his psychological stuff and they couldn't deal with it. Rossi competes all the time, in word and deed, and that's part of what makes him great.

So no, Nicky's not as good as Rossi. But he's far more than a mid-pack guy. He's the best of the rest. One thing that Nicky is known for is incredible patience and tenacity. He's also know for being a bit methodical when learning a new bike. Give him time, he'll be back. Like him or not, you can count on that.

 

[feejer222]

Sorry Randy, I have to disagree. Nicky is a loooooong way off being a great rider. There are not many, and to become one you have to be great, not mid-pack week in week out. Great riders ride round problems.
When Rossi changed to Yamaha he went from a dominant bike to one that had struggled to get mid-field finishes. He won his first race on it and went on to win the title. That is the mark of a great rider.

At Philip Island in 2004 he was battling for the lead with 2 or 3 other riders. They put out a board to tell him that he had a 10 second time penalty for a jump start. He pulled away and won by 15 seconds just to prove a point. Can you see Nicky Hayden ever doing that at world level? Hardly!

I must add I don't like Rossi, I think he is immature and...well...strange! But if nothing else, like Hailwood, Aggostini, and very few others, he is the deffinition of 'Great'.

Before we get into the pointless never-ending thread category, guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.

Then again, we can put out money where our mouth is. $50 to the Roadracing World Action Fund says Nicky is on the podium twice before the end of the year.

I wont take your bet, you might well be right. I could say OK and not pay but I would rather be honest. (I am a betting man and dont usually turn down a bet).

I should also add that I enjoyed watching Nicky in the AMA and believed then that he was good enough to go to world level. To say I am dissapointed in him this year is an understatement.

You are right, we will have to agree to dissagree. No one hopes that he will gat it together more than me.

 

[feejer222]

1. Nicky is the only guy in many years time who was able to take the championship from Rossi - 2. He's the best of the rest

1. With respect, Rossi lost the title because of a string of DNF's due to tyres failing and mechanical faults.

2. Sorry, but there are a lot of quality riders in there that rule him out, Stoner for one is dominating just like Rossi did, Nicky has Never done that. Capirossi, Pedrossa, all as good if not better than Nicky on like for like machinery.

 

[Randy]

1. Nicky is the only guy in many years time who was able to take the championship from Rossi - 2. He's the best of the rest

1. With respect, Rossi lost the title because of a string of DNF's due to tyres failing and mechanical faults.

Yes and no. Yes, Rossi had DNFs and tires fail and mechanical faults, but, one could also argue that Nicky didn't clinch it because of mechanical faults (clutch) and a DNF caused by his teammate. Simply stated, Rossi lost the title because he didn't have as many points as Nicky at the end of the season. The reasons why Rossi didn't have more points, plus the reasons why Nicky didn't have more points, are way too numerous to mention.

2. Sorry, but there are a lot of quality riders in there that rule him out, Stoner for one is dominating just like Rossi did, Nicky has Never done that. Capirossi, Pedrossa, all as good if not better than Nicky on like for like machinery.

For the way things are going so far this year, I couldn't agree more.

 

[markjenn]

https://www.motorcycledaily.com/05june07_hayden.htm

- Mark

 

[FJR Steve]

Guys, guys guys.

Last year, MotoGP was on the 990's. These bikes require a COMPLETELY different riding style to what is required this year on the 800's.

Those in the know, have commented that the 800 has a higher cornering speed, and as such, relies on the riders nerves to get it through that corner at the highest possible speed. The 990's gave you bang for buck. The 800's require a finesse akin to the style required to successfully ride a GP250 or even 125cc bike.

Now...what experience has Nicky had on a 250 GP bike?

***sits back and waits for responses 'cos I can't be arsed searching for the answer***

Besides...Stoner is leading the championship. All is right with the world.

 

[cougar8000]

Bad day for all the Yanks except Hopper.
Two things explain Nicky, I think. One, he is still riding hurt. Two is something interesting mentioned by Freddie Spencer today during the AMA Superbike race. He made a tangential comment about the Honda MotoGP fairing being too small for Nicky, that they needed to widen and raise it so that he could tuck better behind it. Spencer said it was costing him a mile per hour or two on the straights. Sounds like the bike was designed for Pedrosa.

Not sure if we watched the same report or not, but from what I heard it was said that fearing was done specially for Nicky and is wider then Dani's bike.

 

[Randy]

Guys, guys guys.
Last year, MotoGP was on the 990's. These bikes require a COMPLETELY different riding style to what is required this year on the 800's.

Those in the know, have commented that the 800 has a higher cornering speed, and as such, relies on the riders nerves to get it through that corner at the highest possible speed. The 990's gave you bang for buck. The 800's require a finesse akin to the style required to successfully ride a GP250 or even 125cc bike.

Now...what experience has Nicky had on a 250 GP bike?

***sits back and waits for responses 'cos I can't be arsed searching for the answer***

Besides...Stoner is leading the championship. All is right with the world.

Don't know about 250, but, I remember him flying around Summit Point and other WERA tracks on a 125 when he was a young pup.

 

[tstaff]

Don't know about 250, but, I remember him flying around Summit Point and other WERA tracks on a 125 when he was a young pup.

Nelson Ledges in 90 or 91.

 

[FJR Steve]

Guys, guys guys.
Last year, MotoGP was on the 990's. These bikes require a COMPLETELY different riding style to what is required this year on the 800's.

Those in the know, have commented that the 800 has a higher cornering speed, and as such, relies on the riders nerves to get it through that corner at the highest possible speed. The 990's gave you bang for buck. The 800's require a finesse akin to the style required to successfully ride a GP250 or even 125cc bike.

Now...what experience has Nicky had on a 250 GP bike?

***sits back and waits for responses 'cos I can't be arsed searching for the answer***

Besides...Stoner is leading the championship. All is right with the world.

Don't know about 250, but, I remember him flying around Summit Point and other WERA tracks on a 125 when he was a young pup.

My point exactly. Nicky has spent too long on the 'big bikes' of late, meaning that the down size to the 800 and the changes required to steer that sucker successfully, might just be beyond his capability at the moment.

The likes of Rossi, Stoner, Petrock, Caparossi, Melandri et al have been schooled through the 125/250cc GPs. Going to the 800's have re-kindled the skills they honed on the 125/250's.

Don't get me wrong, I would love to see Nicky up the front. I just think that his foundation skills are a little thin on the ground compared to those who were 'schooled' through the GP 'nursery'.

Did I tell you??....Stoner is leading the GP Championship. :clapping: :yahoo:

 

[feejer222]

Guys, guys guys.
Last year, MotoGP was on the 990's. These bikes require a COMPLETELY different riding style to what is required this year on the 800's.

Those in the know, have commented that the 800 has a higher cornering speed, and as such, relies on the riders nerves to get it through that corner at the highest possible speed. The 990's gave you bang for buck. The 800's require a finesse akin to the style required to successfully ride a GP250 or even 125cc bike.

Now...what experience has Nicky had on a 250 GP bike?

***sits back and waits for responses 'cos I can't be arsed searching for the answer***

Besides...Stoner is leading the championship. All is right with the world.

Don't know about 250, but, I remember him flying around Summit Point and other WERA tracks on a 125 when he was a young pup.

My point exactly. Nicky has spent too long on the 'big bikes' of late, meaning that the down size to the 800 and the changes required to steer that sucker successfully, might just be beyond his capability at the moment.

The likes of Rossi, Stoner, Petrock, Caparossi, Melandri et al have been schooled through the 125/250cc GPs. Going to the 800's have re-kindled the skills they honed on the 125/250's.

Don't get me wrong, I would love to see Nicky up the front. I just think that his foundation skills are a little thin on the ground compared to those who were 'schooled' through the GP 'nursery'.

Did I tell you??....Stoner is leading the GP Championship. :clapping: :yahoo:

:lol: :lol: :lol: So we are half way through the season and a rider capable of winning the world title still cant get used to a different bike?? Then he should hang up his leathers......(If that were the case)