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Here's what I have now, H&K USP EXPERT .45 . Too large to carry though!
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Hmm...H&K excellent choice! An MP5SP should fit in your top box with the silencer screwed off surely?
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RTSR1/FJR
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How about this! Yeah Baby!
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loingrader
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i've got the standard xd-9 and it is a hell of a gun. no complaints. you will enjoy it.
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I have the service model XD 40 and I purchased a 9 mm barrel for it. So, it's almost a two for one. I can shoot the inexpensive 9 mm all day.
The XD is the most comfortable handgun I have ever used! For me, and handgun fit is very individual, it points better and sits more naturally in my hand than Glocks, H&K and Sigs. They are all fine weapons, but when my son and I go to the range, we both go for the XD. I sold my Glock G26 and 36 once I had used the XD. My beautiful Kimber Custon I 1911 (45) just sits in its case.
I would like the compact XD as a carry, but it is pretty bulky compared to other compacts. The Kahr P9 (9 mm) is small and light, the PM 9 is smaller and lighter. I would not get the PM 40 because of all the problems people have had. It's just too small a gun to handle the beefy 40 S&W round. The P 9 and PM 9 will take about 200 rounds to break in because they are built with such close tolerances. A very nice compromize is the P 9 Covert. It has the slide and barrel length of the P 9 and grip of the PM 9. It's probably half the weight of the compact XD and will fit in your pocket.
Don't discount the Kel-Tec or Bersa 380 caliber. It only has 1/2 the wallop of the 9 mm, but twice the punch of the .32. A Kel-Tec P 3AT weighs in at something like 8 oz, will drop invisibly into a front pants pocket, can shoot the 380 +p at over 1000 ft/sec, and costs just over $200. If anyone whines about the 380 lack of stopping power, remember - the gun you carry has much better stopping power than the gun you left at home because it was too big or heavy.
A hammerless revolver such as the S&W 642 can be a good carry. The 642 is 38 spl and weighs about 15 oz. Before people start warning about stopping power of the 38 spl, I will tell you that the 38 spl +p (higher pressure, higher velocity) hollow point rounds are not something you want to be on the wrong end of.
After all this, I must say that carryng on a motorcycle from state to state was a PIA! Even in states with concealed carry reciprocity with my state, I had to deal with restaurants where they served alcohol and guns were therefore banned. So, I would have to move my gun from the tank bag to a locked hard case, without anyone seeing, before entering the restaurant. When I reached a state that did not have reciprocity, I had to stop near the state line, remove the ammo, put a trigger lock on the gun, and keep the gun and ammo in separate places. A PIA!
Best Wishes for your choice,
Ron
The XD is the most comfortable handgun I have ever used! For me, and handgun fit is very individual, it points better and sits more naturally in my hand than Glocks, H&K and Sigs. They are all fine weapons, but when my son and I go to the range, we both go for the XD. I sold my Glock G26 and 36 once I had used the XD. My beautiful Kimber Custon I 1911 (45) just sits in its case.
I would like the compact XD as a carry, but it is pretty bulky compared to other compacts. The Kahr P9 (9 mm) is small and light, the PM 9 is smaller and lighter. I would not get the PM 40 because of all the problems people have had. It's just too small a gun to handle the beefy 40 S&W round. The P 9 and PM 9 will take about 200 rounds to break in because they are built with such close tolerances. A very nice compromize is the P 9 Covert. It has the slide and barrel length of the P 9 and grip of the PM 9. It's probably half the weight of the compact XD and will fit in your pocket.
Don't discount the Kel-Tec or Bersa 380 caliber. It only has 1/2 the wallop of the 9 mm, but twice the punch of the .32. A Kel-Tec P 3AT weighs in at something like 8 oz, will drop invisibly into a front pants pocket, can shoot the 380 +p at over 1000 ft/sec, and costs just over $200. If anyone whines about the 380 lack of stopping power, remember - the gun you carry has much better stopping power than the gun you left at home because it was too big or heavy.
A hammerless revolver such as the S&W 642 can be a good carry. The 642 is 38 spl and weighs about 15 oz. Before people start warning about stopping power of the 38 spl, I will tell you that the 38 spl +p (higher pressure, higher velocity) hollow point rounds are not something you want to be on the wrong end of.
After all this, I must say that carryng on a motorcycle from state to state was a PIA! Even in states with concealed carry reciprocity with my state, I had to deal with restaurants where they served alcohol and guns were therefore banned. So, I would have to move my gun from the tank bag to a locked hard case, without anyone seeing, before entering the restaurant. When I reached a state that did not have reciprocity, I had to stop near the state line, remove the ammo, put a trigger lock on the gun, and keep the gun and ammo in separate places. A PIA!
Best Wishes for your choice,
Ron
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A shy retiring flower in a Thug's exterior
RTSR1
I thing I just got a chubby over that...what is it?
I thing I just got a chubby over that...what is it?
twowheelnut
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Crap! With all the hardware you guys pack, you should all take a vacation over in Baghdad. I hear that there are lots of 'insurgents' for target practice!
RTSR1/FJR
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It's the H&K PDW/MP7 Newest Innovation Cal. 4.6mm x 30! Very cool! I want one!
www.hkpro.com/pdw
RTSR1/FJR
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So you say you have a plan for those tailgaters? lolYou might want to carry this. Here it is concealed:
Full size model 22 Glock (40 cal in case you didn't know) two 15 round mags. Hydra shock, Ranger SXT, Gold Dot JHP. For the bike it fits under the jacket in a shoulder rig or Tank bag. In the car between the seat and center counsel. I have considered a smaller for more concelled carry. You can't go wrong with a wheel gun for reliability especially in .357 certified man stopper cal. But after several thousand rounds in the Glock without a jam, I can't complain. There was a recent write up in one of my gun mags about the XD. I will see if I still have it and let you know.
mo
Just think, i live about 45 min from Trinibob, certified gun addict. :guns:
mo
Just think, i live about 45 min from Trinibob, certified gun addict. :guns:
trinibob
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[SIZE=21pt]who me?[/SIZE] :guns: :trinibob: :russian: :skull:
Toecutter
What would DoG do?
Whatever happened to integrated laser sighting? I'm shopping around for a heater or two (Eve's getting tired of using her finger on the cagers) 
and was thinking about that feature.
and was thinking about that feature.
DrEvil777
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As an Arizona boy, and with a family that owns cattle country down near the border, I am a firm beliver in guns and gun rights.
Now living in California, I am always aware of the fierce chains of oppression and the fact that most of my collection remains in AZ with the family.
Glock 27 for easy concealment, with extended clip. 40 SW beats 9.
S&W 357 mag titanium when you want a little more stopping power,
and a Benelli M-1 tatical with pistol grip, ghost rings, tritium night sights and 8 round capacity for settling the argument.
The rest of the guns live with my parents in the safe. I would love them here in my home in SoCal but I really have no desire to break any laws, except for speed limits.
Now living in California, I am always aware of the fierce chains of oppression and the fact that most of my collection remains in AZ with the family.
Glock 27 for easy concealment, with extended clip. 40 SW beats 9.
S&W 357 mag titanium when you want a little more stopping power,
and a Benelli M-1 tatical with pistol grip, ghost rings, tritium night sights and 8 round capacity for settling the argument.
The rest of the guns live with my parents in the safe. I would love them here in my home in SoCal but I really have no desire to break any laws, except for speed limits.
Toecutter,
Crimson Trace is one laser system for pistols. However it is basically an overgrip with the laser on the side. There are lasers that you can install where the spring guide is under the barrell. You don't have to buy any special holsters to fit the appendages of other systems. Also, if you are not to conceal it you can buy a tactacal light/laser sight that fits on the rail on the underside of the pistol (if it has one.)
Good shooting,
MO
Crimson Trace is one laser system for pistols. However it is basically an overgrip with the laser on the side. There are lasers that you can install where the spring guide is under the barrell. You don't have to buy any special holsters to fit the appendages of other systems. Also, if you are not to conceal it you can buy a tactacal light/laser sight that fits on the rail on the underside of the pistol (if it has one.)
Good shooting,
MO
If a bad guy is already in your house, there is nothing like the 'thunk, clunk' of a round being chambered in a shotgun to cause the bad guy to consider leaving. If the BG leaves, then the shotgun has done it work effectively, even without firing.Why would you want to give them a warning?There is nothing like the sound of the racking the pump shotgun to get the intruders attention :angry: The "bad" people leave quickly.
The 'stopping power' debate goes on ad infinitum on the net and in books and conversations. What it really all comes down to is:
1. Do you know you have the capability to shoot someone? We all think so, but I learned at a 4 day self-defense course that I think and analyze too much during a confrontation and do not respond instinctively. I actually came out of the course more uncertain about my capability to shoot someone, even during a personal threat (threat to family is a different story). Are you ready to lose all you savings and retirement money in a lawsuit by the family of the bad guy? Even if you win, you'll spend $50,000 - $100,000 in legal fees.
2. From the 380 caliber and above, it is less the single-shot stopping power of the round and more about hitting the target. If you don't practice very regularly, a very competent shooter can have you full of 5 rounds of 380 into a vital area before you get a single shot into a vital area of that person with your 40 or 45 round. It's more about hitting the target with a double tap (2 shots) than the size and power of the round.
3. If a gun is hard to conceal because of size or weight, then there is a good chance you will leave it home. The pea-shooter in your pocket is a much better stopper than the 357 mag you left at home.
Ron
TejasFJR
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I'd see about finding a range that had a good supply of guns available for rent. I was looking for a gun that my wife would feel comfortable shooting about a year ago. We went through about eight different guns and it came down to the Glock 19 and the compact XD-9. She really felt like the Glock fit her hand better and she was about 25% more accurate right off the bat with it so that sealed the deal. For me, I really preferred the ergos of the XD but wanted to make sure was confident in the gun so Glock it was. I average around 300 rounds a month at the range with the Glock and don't think we made a bad choice. Have never had a jam and now holding the gun seems quite natural.
On another note, Kenpo is da shiznit. Trained in Kenpo for about 2 and a half yrs. That was about 10 yrs and 30 lbs ago though...
On another note, Kenpo is da shiznit. Trained in Kenpo for about 2 and a half yrs. That was about 10 yrs and 30 lbs ago though...
XLR8, I found the issue in American Handgunner (march 31, '03) where they put the XD through its paces. PM me with your mailing address and I can send it to you. BTW, Totally in agreement regarding finding a range with all different types of rental guns, try before you buy.
mo
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