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At the Laguna Seca Superbike race there was an incident in the Andretti hairpin on lap 1, several riders down. The first thing any of the continuing racers knew about any problem with the track was when they crested the front straight hill at speed to begin lap 2 to find the pace car parked in the racing line waiting for them. Apparently that part didn't make it into SPEED's TV show, nor was it even mentioned that such a close call even took place. The folks for Ricky Corey, bike #71 have posted some onboard on Youtube, though, so have a look:

{EDIT: I have now seen a recording of the SPEED coverage, and the announcers treated it like no big deal, they even said well, they know the pace car is coming, there's the sign. The first SAFETY CAR sign was at the start/finish, the riders were racing through the last series of turns and onto the front straight. The pace car was just over the blind crest of the hill. They had no choice but to run past it, and it tried valiantly but could not simply disappear as the field continued past it throught turn 2 and into turn 3. I saw three bikes come close to hitting it.}



I now reiterate my position that pace cars have no ******* place in motorcycle racing. DMG is an incompetant bunch of ******* who are interested in marketing, not racing, obvious from all their talk of their changes being "for the fans." They need to think of the riders for once and understand that stopping the race for an on track incident that can't be cleaned up in 30 seconds is not a bad thing to do. They want to use the pace car and keep the bikes ontrack "for the fans." I'd rather see the bikes race than run a parade, but what do I know? What if this had happened but with motorcycles? What would "the fans" think of that?!?!??!

Contrast DMG and road racing with the group doing motocross, and tell me again why I should support DMG in anything they want to do, ever. ******* morons.

EDIT 2: Press conference after the event, including an AMA official claiming that the riders didn't acknowledge the double yellows and safety car signs. In the SPEED recording I watched, I saw only one flag prior to the start/finish line, and that was NOT a double-yellow. Also, the start/finish station was waving a single, not double yellow, although the SAFETY CAR sign was out. Saying that, I don't know that any flag stations would have been in the shot, but the shots were wide enough that they should have been. The official also stated that the car was supposed to wait at a point where it would be visible to the riders as they exited the final turn onto the front straight, yet it was clearly beyond the crest of the hill. I looked at the SPEED broadcast a little more carefully after seeing the press conference, and I saw only one waving yellow in the shots of the end of the first lap. Obviously not all stations are in-frame as the camera goes by, but I saw workers standing idle. They might not have been flag stations, though. Still, to go on TV from the bottom of the corkscrew to the start line and only catch one flag seems to contradict the press conference statement.

Here's the kicker. The slash in the center of the circle is the single yellow flag being deployed at the start/finish line. It was not visible prior to this frame, and was clearly visible after this frame. But not a double yellow. And. . . . anybody see a pace car????

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Pace bikes don't belong there either. I'm waiting for a Bubba Shobert type incident where someone comes over a hill at Mach 2 and annihilates the pace bike and its rider.

DMG is a bunch of dangerous morons. I still remember Indianapolis where they had the flag in a stand and the riders complained they couldn't see it. I think it was superbikeplanet.com that mentioned MotoGP requires the flag at road level because of incidents that got people killed.

Anyway, my AMA membership is hanging on their treatment of Mat Mladin and some of the other riders. If they *ever* censure him like Hacking, they'll have my card in a heartbeat, along with a letter explaining why I can't be associated with the AMA as long as they're associated with DMG.

Basically though, I've stopped watching AMA. I don't want to see people get killed or badly hurt. If someone does, I see big lawsuits that can only make things worse.

DMG has literally set racing back to the '70s, safety-wise, back when Kenny Roberts had to organize massive rider boycotts to get any safety improvements at all.

 
Given the situation as stated above, problem was most likely in the hands of the race marshals. When a safety car period is called, the double yellow call should go out for the workers along the whole track. Every corner captain would get the call and put out the double yellows. Works really well at Road Atlanta I guess because they use it alot and therefore get alot of practice (they use it too much actually). So unless the call was made really late into the initial lap (maybe so) then the riders would have been presented the double yellow before turn 11. And yes, PC should probably have been at the top of the front straight to the R of the racing line.

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Pace bikes don't belong there either. I'm waiting for a Bubba Shobert type incident where someone comes over a hill at Mach 2 and annihilates the pace bike and its rider.
DMG is a bunch of dangerous morons. I still remember Indianapolis where they had the flag in a stand and the riders complained they couldn't see it. I think it was superbikeplanet.com that mentioned MotoGP requires the flag at road level because of incidents that got people killed.

Anyway, my AMA membership is hanging on their treatment of Mat Mladin and some of the other riders. If they *ever* censure him like Hacking, they'll have my card in a heartbeat, along with a letter explaining why I can't be associated with the AMA as long as they're associated with DMG.

Basically though, I've stopped watching AMA. I don't want to see people get killed or badly hurt. If someone does, I see big lawsuits that can only make things worse.

DMG has literally set racing back to the '70s, safety-wise, back when Kenny Roberts had to organize massive rider boycotts to get any safety improvements at all.
Sadly, the AMA no longer has anything to do with it. It was very foolish, IMO, to sell the series under "AMA" which can't be separated from the actual AMA in the minds of the public. I guess the success of other people running Supercross clouded their minds to the possibility that the people buying the AMA Pro Roadrace Series were even stupider than the AMA. And that's some level of stupid.
I think rider boycotts are necessary. DMG is trying to kill them.

 
Apparently, both Schwantz and Kevin Cameron walked out of the DMG press conference in disgust during the explanation of what happened.

 
Walter, please tell us what you really think... :rolleyes:

no really, good info, informative opinion, and something for me to follow as lives of at stake

thanx much

let's ride safe (and bless you racer boys) and be careful out there,

Mike in Nawlins'

BTW, are their any female road track racers ??? (I know about the drag racers) ?

edit: Nina Prinz

 
Walter, please tell us what you really think... :rolleyes:
no really, good info, informative opinion, and something for me to follow as lives of at stake

thanx much

let's ride safe (and bless you racer boys) and be careful out there,

Mike in Nawlins'

BTW, are their any female road track racers ??? (I know about the drag racers) ?

edit: Nina Prinz
Someone on the BARF forum said they were near pit lane and that the Dorna guys were just laughing and shaking their heads at the screw up DMG is. I'm sure the whole motorcycling racing community is doing that. I'm not really a Mladin fan but I admire that he's actually got the balls to speak up regardless of what fines or penalties they try to throw at him. I wouldn't be suprised if Dorna refuses to run with AMA anymore unless they're contractully obligated to do so for the next couple of years. Then again, it only makes them look better.

 
Sadly, the AMA no longer has anything to do with it. It was very foolish, IMO, to sell the series under "AMA" which can't be separated from the actual AMA in the minds of the public. I guess the success of other people running Supercross clouded their minds to the possibility that the people buying the AMA Pro Roadrace Series were even stupider than the AMA. And that's some level of stupid.
I think rider boycotts are necessary. DMG is trying to kill them.
Well, the AMA is still the sanctioning body, so they've got just as much responsibility. Sadly, I think DMG has the resources to do a good job if they would get off their "we run NASCAR so we know better than you" high horse. I guess we'll never know.

 

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