Every couple of years a hundred or so people sign up to ride 11, one thousand mile days back to back..and pay a pretty sum of money to do it. Fun is in the throttle hand of the beholder.
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Your math is bad, and so is your logic and reasoning. 10 1000 mile days in a row is called a 10/10ths. I have done 10 of these rides and this ride is my favorite
cert. ride. It is a very comfortable pace for me. Just because you have done "A few 1k days" does not mean you can assert that it cannot be done safely or that it "Can't
be much fun" You ride 30k a year which is great for your location. Having the capability to ride long distance is an absolute MUST for me. I live in south Florida.
I hate to think of how long i would have to take off work for my Alaska rides IF I did it at a "Normal" pace.
The "Deka" is an extremely tough ride as such is the "Hell Week". A rider cannot just go out and ride these rides and get them certified. The IBA in their wisdom
requires that a rider complete a trifecta twice before even attempting a "Quattro". It may not be the "Fun" that you are seeking in YOUR riding, but the rides are
VERY accomplishing for some riders. The "Deka"has been done by only 1 rider, while the hell week has been done (To my knowledge) 3 times. That is what makes
them so special.
Once again I point out what section that you are posting in. To each his own !
MadRussian
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If you enjoy it, more power to you.
At least for me, after 1K mile day, I need some rest.
I'm 58 years old and had a couple of serious accidents, so my body can only take so much...
At least for me, after 1K mile day, I need some rest.
I'm 58 years old and had a couple of serious accidents, so my body can only take so much...
FJRBandit
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I'm with Bill on this one! And just as as Tony said, consider the section of the forum you are in. If you don't like porn, don't go to the porn website. If you don't like football, don't go on a football website and complain about how stupid football is and how you don't enjoy it. 10/10ths is a feat that I don't ever see myself accomplishing, nor even wanting to accomplish. But neither is winning a Super Bowl something I could ever accomplish. That doesn't mean that I can't have an appreciation for those that can and do. I LOVE reading about these accomplishments and have MAD respect for these guys. I get what you do and respect the hell out of you!!!
Personally, I've done a few SS1000's and a couple of BB1500's straight up. Twice I began an LD ride specifically for the purpose of doing an IBA certified type of ride, kept up with receipts etc....(only sent the paperwork in one time). The other times I've done that kind of mileage was strictly out of necessity, needed to eat some miles and get somewhere. The reason I was able to accomplish my mission each time is because of the certified rides I had done previously. The IBA rides helped me with the planning and mental awareness of what would be necessary to lay down those kind of miles when called for, many times on short notice. I am definitely a better LD rider because of having done a certified IBA ride.
I have to say, the Tony's of the world are a rare breed and I for one am amazed at their abilities. That's why I lurk in the LDR/IB section of the forum. Ride on Tony and good luck with your 2nd BBG trifecta and BBG Quattro attempts in the future.
Quick question regarding these amazing tire mileages mentioned in this thread.... (and yes this is on topic as it plays into the LD aspect) I've never been able to squeeze more than 7,500 out of a rear PR2. Recently though, I was on the front end of a Key West ride with close to 2,000 miles ahead of me and realized that my rubber was going to be very iffy to make it the entire ride. I made an extremely conscious effort to considerably back off the throttle at the start from red light stops, and even rolled easier on the throttle when stepping up highway speeds. I ended up making the entire trip with ample rubber to spare... It opened my eyes to the effect that my jack rabbit starts were having on the life of my rear tire. Is this how you LD guys are able to attain the mileage that you get out of your tires? If not, what are your "secrets"?
Shhh...don't tell anybody, but here's the LD secret to longer life tires.
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There really isn't one! Pretty much the same NEPRT discussion point....just perhaps slightly more LD detail on them.
When you do rides like this you're usually even beating up the tire more than the 7,500 data point, don't risk running out of tire, and simply start with a new one. You do rides like the OP described and you either have a mounted up rim staged to be changed during your down interval or arrangements pre-made with dealers along the way.you plan ahead to have new tires. Expense is a secondary thing on these extreme cases. Warchild in his Hell Week used three new rear tires on the 10,500. He could go three days @4500 miles riding with margin, but 4 @ 6000 was pushing it. He had leftover partial tires and ran them out as local use tires on a spare rim.
Yeah, having a modicum of hand discipline helps...a bit. Yeah, certain tires, pressures, every other thing in NEPRT helps....a little bit. If you really want to suffer you mount a wooden ME-880, but I stopped that after my first IBR. Even an ME-880 probably would have been iffy for the OP's particular ride....more than a bit.
In one REALLY extreme ride I did....I only got 1,800 miles before I swapped to another staged rim at a fuel stop.
LD Riding = Big Seasonal TIre Budget
flyfisher
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Thank you for that...I've never been able to get more than 6,000 or so miles on a rear...and I've done a fair number of 1,000 mile days without bothering to certify...not my river or my boat....but the 10,000 or more miles off a rear tire I could never fathom...course the road agregate and the heat have a LOT to do with it.....ff
Joel S.
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i'm in the same boat railing the alphabets to the east, (yes sw Wisconsin ones. heh) 3-5k on a rear, fronts go further.
heck i wore a rear down slabbing from the smokies and it was like 40 degrees, lol. (new at wheelers)
I see now on the ride list the "Hell Week" by Warchild and Curt is now certified as a "Hell Week".Tony...your facts are not correct. Warchild's ride was officially certified as a 10/10ths. So was Curt's. 10k miles...just in a bit less than 10 days...Check the IBA list. While technically the BBGs weren't recognized, both rides were certified.
I Have to attempt this ride!
kk3an
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Hi Tony,
I can honestly say the Deca was run with absolutely no real fatigue. Nothing a snack or a swig of juice didn't immediately fix. Tired now and then? Oh yeah. Fatigued? Not once.
Yeah, being disciplined is huge. I forced myself to eat and drink 100% on the bike every day. Eating REAL food I think helped too. Tomatoes, bananas, vacuum packed roast beef, & turkey, fruit juice, apples, etc etc....every day. No beef jerky or junk food.
My trusty Metzler Tourances ran 7500 miles (rear), so just one change was needed at the bottom of day five.
I highly recommend attempting that ride....sort of
Dan Simmonds
I can honestly say the Deca was run with absolutely no real fatigue. Nothing a snack or a swig of juice didn't immediately fix. Tired now and then? Oh yeah. Fatigued? Not once.
Yeah, being disciplined is huge. I forced myself to eat and drink 100% on the bike every day. Eating REAL food I think helped too. Tomatoes, bananas, vacuum packed roast beef, & turkey, fruit juice, apples, etc etc....every day. No beef jerky or junk food.
My trusty Metzler Tourances ran 7500 miles (rear), so just one change was needed at the bottom of day five.
I highly recommend attempting that ride....sort of
Dan Simmonds
Dan,Hi Tony,
I highly recommend attempting that ride....sort of
Dan Simmonds
First of all a big "CONGRATS" !!!
I have only done one Trifecta, so I have many hurdles to clear before attempting the "Deca"
I want to try an "On road" Trifecta this summer with only roadside rests on mostly 70 MPH roads.
Most likely I will fail, but I will have a much better try at it later in the summer.
I am curious as to your normal wear on the same tires? I can get 15k out of PR2s every time I ride with them,
but I worry bumping the speed up might result in a needed tire change on the rear. Did you do a ride report? or
do I have to bleed this info out of you?
I hope to have the 2nd Trifecta and Quattro attempted by the end of this year. The "Deca" is not my goal, I have been
itching to try the "Hell Week"
Thanks for the food tip, I might have to change my Mt. Dew ways (But only for a week)
Great Ride Dan !!!
kk3an
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Hi Tony, thanks man. I'm sorry we missed each other in JAX a couple weeks ago (not sure how that happened)?
I know you can slam dunk the Quattro. I was following your (outstanding!!) 200 CC a few years ago. So you can nail the Quattro for sure.
My bike during the Deca was just a Yamaha Super Tenere. No panniers, just a fuel cell. So it was feather light and that helped tire wear. With that same setup, I get .032" of wear (per 1,000 miles) on the Tourance at BBG pace. I could have maybe gotten away with 6 BBG's last year, but it wasn't worth the risk, and we had one tire change planned anyway, so we did it on day 5 before bed. The front Tourance lasted the whole 15,000 miles easily. Each BBG was around 18-1/2 hours.
This is the cert from JAX if you're interested: https://www.kk3an.com/deca1.pdf
Your PR2's are about the same mileage it sounds like. I get 15,000 also just riding regularly on a rear Tourance.
Yes there's a small ride report on Facebook with a bunch of pics.....back in August of last year.
Seriously....the better the food you eat doing the Quattro, BBGHW, etc will pay dividends!
I have huge respect for Dale running his Hell Week....his routes I feel were much harder & more taxing than mine.
Dan
I know you can slam dunk the Quattro. I was following your (outstanding!!) 200 CC a few years ago. So you can nail the Quattro for sure.
My bike during the Deca was just a Yamaha Super Tenere. No panniers, just a fuel cell. So it was feather light and that helped tire wear. With that same setup, I get .032" of wear (per 1,000 miles) on the Tourance at BBG pace. I could have maybe gotten away with 6 BBG's last year, but it wasn't worth the risk, and we had one tire change planned anyway, so we did it on day 5 before bed. The front Tourance lasted the whole 15,000 miles easily. Each BBG was around 18-1/2 hours.
This is the cert from JAX if you're interested: https://www.kk3an.com/deca1.pdf
Your PR2's are about the same mileage it sounds like. I get 15,000 also just riding regularly on a rear Tourance.
Yes there's a small ride report on Facebook with a bunch of pics.....back in August of last year.
Seriously....the better the food you eat doing the Quattro, BBGHW, etc will pay dividends!
I have huge respect for Dale running his Hell Week....his routes I feel were much harder & more taxing than mine.
Dan
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Dan,
That is a nice looking certificate! Congrats on a hell of a ride and setting the standard for going forward with these crazy ass rides.
BikerGeek99
Yeah, it's a concrete corn cob. So?
Tony?
A Darksider??
After NAFO last year, I'd pay good money to see that.
A Darksider??
After NAFO last year, I'd pay good money to see that.
GillaFunk
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I did 2 BB's in a row on my way from Cali to Ohio.
It was probably the least enjoyable ridding I have ever done. Riding my 1150 GSA in the sand is much more enjoyable than sitting in the saddle down some long boring interstate for hours on end. I even have a 8.5g tank for my FJR, and I STILL don't like IronButt.
To each their own, but I'm happy with the size of my Johnson, and don't need to show it off. My truck isn't lifted either.
It was probably the least enjoyable ridding I have ever done. Riding my 1150 GSA in the sand is much more enjoyable than sitting in the saddle down some long boring interstate for hours on end. I even have a 8.5g tank for my FJR, and I STILL don't like IronButt.
To each their own, but I'm happy with the size of my Johnson, and don't need to show it off. My truck isn't lifted either.
