The LORD of Yamaha ADVENTURES

[beemerdons]

At 440 pounds "a sec", meaning dry, that is a true dual sport: Versus the BMW GS1200 at 535 lbs. and KTM 990 ADV at 520!

BMW 1200 GS: 448lbs/203kgs dry weight; 504lbs/229kgs wet weight

KTM 990 Adventure: 461lbs/209kgs dry weight; N/A wet weight

Keeping it real...

SockMonkey: The Austrians and the Germans lie! I recently retired from Metro Mechanical, I headed up the Pipe Fitting Div.

We had calibrated scales in our FAB shop, for accurately measuring weight of welded out pipe assemblies to be crane lifted.

HVAC Division also measured air handling units for helicopter picks onto the top of Tucson and Phoenix high rise buildings.

Senior Plumbing Project Manager Dave Cooley's 2005 R1200GS with a full tank of fuel and no accessories weighed 535 lbs.

My 1996 BMW R1100GS weighed exactly 550 pounds. Do you remember BMW of North America placing advertisements in all of the motorcycle magazines claiming the R1200GS was 55 pounds lighter than the older BMW GS's? Absolute horseshit!!!

Now, the BMW Factory has not lied about the new F800/650GS Twin; it actually weighs exactly 455 lbs.; which they do claim.

I've ridden a KTM 950 Adventure, I've not ridden a 990. But, it does not feel any lighter than last BMW R1200GS you saw me riding in Stef - teerex51 and Orestes - Dave Clarke's Ride Reports on riding the Pyrenees in Spain and France. Heavy!!!

 

[SockMonkey]

At 440 pounds "a sec", meaning dry, that is a true dual sport: Versus the BMW GS1200 at 535 lbs. and KTM 990 ADV at 520!

BMW 1200 GS: 448lbs/203kgs dry weight; 504lbs/229kgs wet weight

KTM 990 Adventure: 461lbs/209kgs dry weight; N/A wet weight

Keeping it real...

SockMonkey: The Austrians and the Germans lie! I recently retired from Metro Mechanical, I headed up the Pipe Fitting Div.

We had calibrated scales in our FAB shop, for accurately measuring weight of welded out pipe assemblies to be crane lifted.

HVAC Division also measured air handling units for helicopter picks onto the top of Tucson and Phoenix high rise buildings.

Senior Plumbing Project Manager Dave Cooley's 2005 R1200GS with a full tank of fuel and no accessories weighed 535 lbs.

My 1996 BMW R1100GS weighed exactly 550 pounds. Do you remember BMW of North America placing advertisements in all of the motorcycle magazines claiming the R1200GS was 55 pounds lighter than the older BMW GS's? Absolute horseshit!!!

Now, the BMW Factory has not lied about the new F800/650GS Twin; it actually weighs exactly 455 lbs.; which they do claim.

I've ridden a KTM 950 Adventure, I've not ridden a 990. But, it does not feel any lighter than last BMW R1200GS you saw me riding in Stef - teerex51 and Orestes - Dave Clarke's Ride Reports on riding the Pyrenees in Spain and France. Heavy!!!

In all fairness to the Austrians and Germans, I think every OEM enjoys a bit of, shall we say, "marketing optimism"..? (Obviously, the figures I quote are taken from the KTM and BMW websites. Those are, incidentally, the same numbers they report/have reported to the US DOT.)

The point I'm trying to make is that the Super Tenere - despite the fact that we won't see it in the US for several years if ever, will come in at a wet weight commensurate with at least that of the 1200 GS +/- 25lbs. I don't believe there's anyway to make it significantly lighter, though there are plenty of ways to mask that weight such as ultra low CG through mass centralization ala the Buell Uly. However, judging from the "Jawa-esque" concept photos and photoshop mock-ups, I don't see Yamaha heading in that direction with this bike. What I see is just another big trail bike about to take its place amongst all others.

 

[beemerdons]

At 440 pounds "a sec", meaning dry, that is a true dual sport: Versus the BMW GS1200 at 535 lbs. and KTM 990 ADV at 520!

BMW 1200 GS: 448lbs/203kgs dry weight; 504lbs/229kgs wet weight

KTM 990 Adventure: 461lbs/209kgs dry weight; N/A wet weight

Keeping it real...

SockMonkey: The Austrians and the Germans lie! I recently retired from Metro Mechanical, I headed up the Pipe Fitting Div.

We had calibrated scales in our FAB shop, for accurately measuring weight of welded out pipe assemblies to be crane lifted.

HVAC Division also measured air handling units for helicopter picks onto the top of Tucson and Phoenix high rise buildings.

Senior Plumbing Project Manager Dave Cooley's 2005 R1200GS with a full tank of fuel and no accessories weighed 535 lbs.

My 1996 BMW R1100GS weighed exactly 550 pounds. Do you remember BMW of North America placing advertisements in all of the motorcycle magazines claiming the R1200GS was 55 pounds lighter than the older BMW GS's? Absolute horseshit!!!

Now, the BMW Factory has not lied about the new F800/650GS Twin; it actually weighs exactly 455 lbs.; which they do claim.

I've ridden a KTM 950 Adventure, I've not ridden a 990. But, it does not feel any lighter than last BMW R1200GS you saw me riding in Stef - teerex51 and Orestes - Dave Clarke's Ride Reports on riding the Pyrenees in Spain and France. Heavy!!!

In all fairness to the Austrians and Germans, I think every OEM enjoys a bit of, shall we say, "marketing optimism"..? (Obviously, the figures I quote are taken from the KTM and BMW websites. Those are, incidentally, the same numbers they report/have reported to the US DOT.)

The point I'm trying to make is that the Super Tenere - despite the fact that we won't see it in the US for several years if ever, will come in at a wet weight commensurate with at least that of the 1200 GS +/- 25lbs. I don't believe there's anyway to make it significantly lighter, though there are plenty of ways to mask that weight such as ultra low CG through mass centralization ala the Buell Uly. However, judging from the "Jawa-esque" concept photos and photoshop mock-ups, I don't see Yamaha heading in that direction with this bike. What I see is just another big trail bike about to take its place amongst all others.

Brother SockMonkey, I agree with you 101% hombre! As I was doing my best with my French phrase book trying to translate that web site from Eric-OCfjr, I was struggling to figure how they could possibly get a 1200 with shaft down to 440.

My girlfriend Rena and I spent ten days in Paris this last May, going out of town on day trips on the train; Versailles, Marne, Givenchy, Normandy; etcetera. Rena has ridden with me for over a decade on BMW GS's en Estados Unidos, Mexico and European Alps and Dolomites. Rena can spot a GS a kilometer away! She mentioned to me one afternoon returning to Paris on the train just how many GS's or GS like bikes she had just seen on the Autoroute paralleling the tracks. After she remarked on that, I started really paying attention to just how many big trailies were running around. I think Yamaha has fully realized just how much of a market there is for these machines and Super Tenere will definitely cash in on this factor!

 

[user 213]

Damn.... that's hot.

You talking about Toe's broner? :lol:

Nooo! Never met Toe in person, and while I may appreciate that a dude is good looking, not to the broner level. That blue beastie on the other hand, is looking pretty good. Another 80k on the FJR and maybe I'll be ready for a Super Tenere as a replacement bike. I hear it's easier to import bikes than cars.

 

[protondecay123]

At 440 pounds "a sec", meaning dry, that is a true dual sport: Versus the BMW GS1200 at 535 lbs. and KTM 990 ADV at 520!

BMW 1200 GS: 448lbs/203kgs dry weight; 504lbs/229kgs wet weight

KTM 990 Adventure: 461lbs/209kgs dry weight; N/A wet weight

Keeping it real...

SockMonkey: The Austrians and the Germans lie! I recently retired from Metro Mechanical, I headed up the Pipe Fitting Div.

We had calibrated scales in our FAB shop, for accurately measuring weight of welded out pipe assemblies to be crane lifted.

HVAC Division also measured air handling units for helicopter picks onto the top of Tucson and Phoenix high rise buildings.

Senior Plumbing Project Manager Dave Cooley's 2005 R1200GS with a full tank of fuel and no accessories weighed 535 lbs.

My 1996 BMW R1100GS weighed exactly 550 pounds. Do you remember BMW of North America placing advertisements in all of the motorcycle magazines claiming the R1200GS was 55 pounds lighter than the older BMW GS's? Absolute horseshit!!!

Now, the BMW Factory has not lied about the new F800/650GS Twin; it actually weighs exactly 455 lbs.; which they do claim.

I've ridden a KTM 950 Adventure, I've not ridden a 990. But, it does not feel any lighter than last BMW R1200GS you saw me riding in Stef - teerex51 and Orestes - Dave Clarke's Ride Reports on riding the Pyrenees in Spain and France. Heavy!!!

In all fairness to the Austrians and Germans, I think every OEM enjoys a bit of, shall we say, "marketing optimism"..? (Obviously, the figures I quote are taken from the KTM and BMW websites. Those are, incidentally, the same numbers they report/have reported to the US DOT.)

The point I'm trying to make is that the Super Tenere - despite the fact that we won't see it in the US for several years if ever, will come in at a wet weight commensurate with at least that of the 1200 GS +/- 25lbs. I don't believe there's anyway to make it significantly lighter, though there are plenty of ways to mask that weight such as ultra low CG through mass centralization ala the Buell Uly. However, judging from the "Jawa-esque" concept photos and photoshop mock-ups, I don't see Yamaha heading in that direction with this bike. What I see is just another big trail bike about to take its place amongst all others.

It's exciting to see Yamaha jump into the Big Trailie/DS segment given it's rich history with the Super Tenere and what it did with the FJR 1300 in the sport touring segment. Though some may argue the FJR does not weigh significantly less or have significantly more horsepower than what's available in the sport touring segment. It's an all around great package.

You can count me for one that has not jumped on the GS or Orange Crush bandwagon over reliability issues, final drive failures, water pumps, electrics, etc from the Germanic tribes. I even test rode a Buell Ulysses on two different occasions. But the vibration issues and heat were just too much for me. Now that Buell is out of the market, this does open things up for Yamaha. The timing will hopefully go along well with global economic recovery :glare:

There's a decent possibility that Yamaha will put together an excellent, reliable package. To me that's what's exciting about this concept bike. B)

 

[RadioHowie]

Screw all that DS and "trailie" shee-eyet. Looks like an outstanding platform to turn in to a hypermotard, if'n ya ask me.

I love my hooligan Rex and my resurrected Frankenbike, but I've always yearned for a powerful corner-burner. That looks like a great place to start, without having to go Eye-talyon.

Put on some of these.....

mounted on a set of these.....

and suspended by some of these.....

don't forget to slow the whole package down with these.....

plus these.....

Now THAT'S what I call a canvas to work with! :thumbsupsmiley: