The manufacturers give the bird to DMG
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wfooshee
O, Woe is me!!
They should have gotten their web site up first before stating that news will be available 24/7.
Jus' sayin' - would have looked better if the hoopla was actually working.
I've had a wait and see attitude on what the DRG is doing, but more and more it seems not quite right somehow. What USSB promises seems to be more in line with what's been going on.
I never quite understood why anybody though it needed a major overhaul, anyhow. Class confusion? Well, AMA had 4 classes, and I don't really know what "Formula Extreme" means as a class name (rather than a marketing name,) but the other classes were pretty straightforward.
I find it interesting that both bodies mentioned working towards WSBK rules compliance in their initial announcements. How weird is that?
Jus' sayin' - would have looked better if the hoopla was actually working.
I've had a wait and see attitude on what the DRG is doing, but more and more it seems not quite right somehow. What USSB promises seems to be more in line with what's been going on.
I never quite understood why anybody though it needed a major overhaul, anyhow. Class confusion? Well, AMA had 4 classes, and I don't really know what "Formula Extreme" means as a class name (rather than a marketing name,) but the other classes were pretty straightforward.
I find it interesting that both bodies mentioned working towards WSBK rules compliance in their initial announcements. How weird is that?
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Crash Cash
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Well, people were trying to get closer to WSBK rules in the first place, before the sale, because that's what the manufacturers want so they can produce bikes that only have to deal with fewer styles of racing. If you talk to the factories, WSBK is supposed to be the premier world production-based class, and MotoGP is supposed to be the premier world non-production-based "anything goes as long as it's got 2 wheels" class.
DMG says they're working towards WSBK rules, but the rule books and a lot of things they said don't match up with that, thus all the recent drama. People think they're only saying that to get the factories on-board, and people also think they want to "make everything look like Daytona" by going to 600cc and other things.
One of the "class confusion" problems is that "Superbike" which was supposed to be the no-holds-barred factory racing with really trick works bikes ended up being very close to "Supersport", which was supposed to be close-to-stock production not-really-factory racing. So even before DMG, the idea was to drop one or the other.
ShawnKing
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thompsonian
Mr. Christmas Pants
Good riddance to DMG. Next thing you know, they'd have a race at Bristol....They're makin a left turn!!!!!
slapnpop
Rest in Peace our Forum Founder
Having ridden my bike at Bristol, there's a LOT of angle on that track. You can go VERY fast in left hand circles... 
That being said, after a few laps it's boring as ****.
That being said, after a few laps it's boring as ****.
protondecay123
No Delusions of Significance
Now we are talking. I can't wait to see what the race schedule is like. :yahoo:
thompsonian
Mr. Christmas Pants
I wonder if they will run at some of the tracks not on the current schedule? Isn't there a few that they used to run but don't anymore?
Stephen
Well-known member
Does all this kind of remind you of the Champ Car vs. IndyCar thing?
Hmmmm...... :glare:
Hmmmm...... :glare:
wfooshee
O, Woe is me!!
Actually, that was addressed specifically. It didn't remind me of it, because the Indycar/Champcar thing was the owner of The Track throwing his weight around, wanting the cars that ran His Track to be more like these kind of cars, and not like those kind of cars, and running these kind of tracks, not those kind of tracks. The silliest thing he tried was having the season start in the summer and finish in the Memorial Day weekend, so His Track could be the Finale. The companies that make the cars (or engines) (and sell them) had very little to do with it.
MotorToad
Well-known member
So far we have Suzuki very much on the side of the USSB, Honda's with it but they seem fully prepared to waffle at the first sign of failure. Yamaha has sided with AMA/DMG because, frankly, they're unable to make a good decision in the racing department. I haven't heard about Kawasaki. I'm a bit pissed about Yamaha, the only chance USSB had, IMO, was if all four current manus went with it. Speaking of "all four," people seem to be forgetting Ducati, KTM, Buell, BMW, Triumph, et al when discussing the MIC.
I've been a big basher of the AMA for years. They have been as incompetent as it's possible to be and not completely fold under. They actually once delayed the start of a race I was at for rain. Which might make sense except it had already been declared a "wet" race so that competitors could run non-DOT rain tires! Plus, it was live on SpedTV. I'm certain that tricks like this are why sped doesn't show the races live anymore. They made the supergenius decision to name almost every class "Super"something so even avid fans can barely keep track. They've waffled the rules and misrepresented their intentions so that the factories don't know what classes to run, so you wind up with the two support classes with one or two factory teams "competing." The 600 support class is faster and more expensive than the 600 class the factories race in, and the Daytona 200 means absolutely squadoosh. I'm pretty sure DMG buying the AMA series was just the motorcycle gods telling us that it can always be worse.
Everyone keeps bringing up CART v. [that other series of spoiled idiots]. What this really resembles is ALMS v. Bland-Am. Oddly, it's the same group of tard wranglers in the center of it. The ALMS wanted to run an internationally based race series with high-tech cars and to cater to existing fans which have a high level of understanding of the racing and the cars. DMG wanted to run billboards with no tech and sell it to sponsors, providing a "good show" to the dolts in the seats that have no understanding of anything other than crashing and which color car they like best. These dolts make up for their ignorance through sheer numbers. This doesn't work, though, because these dolts already have their weekends full watching roundy-round and are too busy fighting over whether Budweiser is faster than Miller Lite to care about something that requires brakes.
Something that we're missing is that we don't matter in this. We're die-hard road racing fans and we'll go to a kart track and watch 35 year-old children race KX-65s if it's less than a 100 mile ride. We are the Massachusetts of racing's primaries; we're already decided. They have our money, their sponsors have our money. To get more money they have to sell it to the masses, which means dumbing it down, and "putting on a show." Which doesn't work. So what happens is everyone does everything in their power to screw everything up. Everyone loses except NFL and nascrap.
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I've been a big basher of the AMA for years. They have been as incompetent as it's possible to be and not completely fold under. They actually once delayed the start of a race I was at for rain. Which might make sense except it had already been declared a "wet" race so that competitors could run non-DOT rain tires! Plus, it was live on SpedTV. I'm certain that tricks like this are why sped doesn't show the races live anymore. They made the supergenius decision to name almost every class "Super"something so even avid fans can barely keep track. They've waffled the rules and misrepresented their intentions so that the factories don't know what classes to run, so you wind up with the two support classes with one or two factory teams "competing." The 600 support class is faster and more expensive than the 600 class the factories race in, and the Daytona 200 means absolutely squadoosh. I'm pretty sure DMG buying the AMA series was just the motorcycle gods telling us that it can always be worse.
Everyone keeps bringing up CART v. [that other series of spoiled idiots]. What this really resembles is ALMS v. Bland-Am. Oddly, it's the same group of tard wranglers in the center of it. The ALMS wanted to run an internationally based race series with high-tech cars and to cater to existing fans which have a high level of understanding of the racing and the cars. DMG wanted to run billboards with no tech and sell it to sponsors, providing a "good show" to the dolts in the seats that have no understanding of anything other than crashing and which color car they like best. These dolts make up for their ignorance through sheer numbers. This doesn't work, though, because these dolts already have their weekends full watching roundy-round and are too busy fighting over whether Budweiser is faster than Miller Lite to care about something that requires brakes.
Something that we're missing is that we don't matter in this. We're die-hard road racing fans and we'll go to a kart track and watch 35 year-old children race KX-65s if it's less than a 100 mile ride. We are the Massachusetts of racing's primaries; we're already decided. They have our money, their sponsors have our money. To get more money they have to sell it to the masses, which means dumbing it down, and "putting on a show." Which doesn't work. So what happens is everyone does everything in their power to screw everything up. Everyone loses except NFL and nascrap.
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BobbyBlue
Arrhythmia and Blues
Next thing ya know we'll have Vince Young racing Pedrosa's Honda on ChengSheng tires...and whinin' 'bout no traction ! I guess they gotta sell soap somehow....I better start cuttin' the sleeves off my t-shirts..dammit !!! And where is the friggin clutch lever ? Zat a Moped handlebar ? Whats this world comming too...must be prefect somewhere....
Bobby
Bobby
MotorToad
Well-known member
So now it looks like Honda is making up with DMG, leaving Suzuki out in the wind with what I'm now thinking will be the U.S. Suzuki Bike championship. If MIC is actually able to rent a few tracks and put on "races" I'm sure some WERA and CCS novices will show up to race against Yoshimura. Of course, they'll also be on Suzukis minus an R6 or two in 600SS. I do look forward to seeing what Mladin can do to the track records at Jennings and TGPR, probably the only tracks the MIC will be able to rent on the east coast! :glare:
