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BrunDog

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Reading of Wayne's and Annette's accident, something came to light. Something pretty profound...

I just becoming a VFR pilot (check ride next week). Will be heading to do instrument next. Not for a living or anything serious, just for fun and education.

Aviation, like motorcycling has its safety risks. But one thing I have come to realize about aviation is that redundancy is critical to managing down risk. Weather goes bad - have an alternate determined. Mechanical fuel pump craps out - got an electrical one. Vacuum pump goes kaput - fine, there are two. Pilot keels over - there is another one in the right seat (if you planned it right). Radio goes up in smoke - pull the portable out of your bag. Get lost - use radio navigation. Or GPS. Or radar. And etc., etc., etc.

The problem with motorcycling in general is there are NO backup systems. Like in Wayne's accident - probable front flat - despite the skilled rider, there is only one possible outcome. We ride on two tires and depend on both. Pretty high odds that a acute failure will lead to a fall. And high odds that a fall will lead to injury. Why is this acceptable?

Perhaps manufacturers should design in some redundancy. For example, why not have run-flat tires? Or a safety ring inside the rim that supports the tire tread if air loss occurs? What about gear? There is protective gear, but truthfully, does it do enough? A helmet is protective, but people still die with them. Can't someone design a helmet that assures a very high rate of survival, by say, an airbag-type inflation around the outside shell? What about cars - couldn't they have a motorcycle sensor that alerts the driver if an impact is predicted?

I realize there are real engineering challenges to some of these examples. Costs may may many items completely unfeasible. But damn, we really throw caution into the wind considering if one thing goes wrong - there is nothing to back us up!

OK, thanks. My philosophical dissertation is over!

-BD

 
Dissertation? What are we?....genius types here? There are no treaties between us skoot types and the cagers...it's an all out war. Iffn yer not watching yer forward path, watch yer six....and don't forget the three and nine-o-clock positions. **** happens....and if it hasn't it will. If it has happened.....it will again. Just a matter of time.

Kinda makes one want to stop skootin', don't it?

 
Like anything else, it's an assumed risk.

All a rider can do is prepare for and anticipate failure of equipment (or other people's attentiveness) at any given time.

People wearing seatbelts and having airbags in cars can still die...now what?

If you spend the $$ on good gear then you are minimizing the impact of a potential injury.

I crashed in a race a couple weeks ago prolly doing 125 or so. I did a few flips with the bike flying 4 feet in the air past me. I have very good quality gear. Possible hairline fracture to my left leg......guess what, I'm still alive to tell you about it because I didn't skimp on my gear.

Fact is, there's only so much impact force the human body can withstand regardless of safety measures. Minimizing the impact is about all we, the motorcyclist, can do.

The question you should be contemplating is "How do we make a stronger, more resiliant human body?"

 
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without risk...there is no reward.

Going down a road at FJR nominal speeds...the physics of it shows the risks of bodily injury or death.

However, the day I cannot ride a motorcycle or do something equally thrilling is the day I have "died". I have wanted to ride a motorcycle across our country since I was in junior high...it is the stuff of dreams...and when my dreams have died, so have I.

The problem is not motorcycling...the problem is death or injury. Unfortunately, there is a 100% chance of each of us seeing death...it is only the means that differs.

I certainly hope Wayne and Annette recover quickly and without much pain...but I hope that we carry on with our dreams of travelling on two wheels, ever mindful and vigilant as we can be to minimize the risks we face each time we start that motor.

 
Another safe move would be,to build an under ground house above the flood plains(like the hobbit's have),and call out for delivery.Then you'd never have to leave your sanctuary.(Don't for get to have back-up cell phones/CB/2 wave radio/spare batt.'s/etc.).

 
yeah, NASA can bounce a multimillion dollar mars lander inside an inflatable geodesic dome and get it to work. I wonder what it would be like bouncing down the asphalt in some huge garage sized neon orange bubble boy suit bouncing off things like a game of pong. Probably quite nauseous.

 
Sorry to hear about another accident, I hope they both heal quickly.

But..... if you want a life with no risk, just wait, our gbmt is taking us there, and we're happily going along being "safe".

However... If you want to LIVE...you will take risks.

Why do people climb mountains.... or jump out of perfectly good airplanes... or ride a wave on a surfboard ....

Because they can.... it's called FREEDOM.

Don't know about you, but that's why I ride.

Do I get scared sometimes? Dang straight!

Will I quit someday?.... when I physically can't ride anymore.... but there's always trikes and sidecars.... and powered wheelchairs that pull wheelies..<G>

Mary

 
Wheelies are inherently dangerous......didn't anyone ever yell ya that?

 
I'm one of those returning riders, but I've been a general aviation pilot for over 30 years, and for 20 of those years also a USAF navigator.

I pretty much agree with the OP, with two quibbles:

1) There's a lot less redundancy in a single engine light plane than I'd like, especially at night, and ESPECIALLY at night in the clouds.

2) In an airplane, you can't just pull over to the side if things start getting out of hand.

One other observation is that motorcycle riding is a lot more intense for most of a trip when compared to a flight from A to B in any civilian airplane, Cessna or Boeing.

I finding riding a motorcycle to be a lot like flying a fighter at low altitude. You simply can not ever really relax and kick back. Unlike an airplane cruising at altitude, on a motorcycle or low flying jet you're never more than a few milliseconds from disaster if your attention wanders.

 
yeah, NASA can bounce a multimillion dollar mars lander inside an inflatable geodesic dome and get it to work.
I seriously doubt that..... only after they blow billions of dollars on the damn project and hope to God that the morons who constructed the space craft used the same measuring system as the engineers who designed it.

 
You're never more than a few milliseconds from disaster if your attention wanders.
I think riding a mc is what keeps my mind grounded,it's going all the time wondering aimlessly,working like McGuyver's, trying all the different angles.But,when I'm riding my bike it's running a mile a sec.,but it's focused only on "the ride".

Which seems to bring me "peace of mind"(wow what a brain fart).

O'Yea,You fighter jocks need to use your parachutes,and quit trying to save the aircraft all the time(career down in flames)....From your friendly "life support tech".....

 
I'm one of those returning riders, but I've been a general aviation pilot for over 30 years, and for 20 of those years also a USAF navigator.
I pretty much agree with the OP, with two quibbles:

1) There's a lot less redundancy in a single engine light plane than I'd like, especially at night, and ESPECIALLY at night in the clouds.

2) In an airplane, you can't just pull over to the side if things start getting out of hand.

One other observation is that motorcycle riding is a lot more intense for most of a trip when compared to a flight from A to B in any civilian airplane, Cessna or Boeing.

I finding riding a motorcycle to be a lot like flying a fighter at low altitude. You simply can not ever really relax and kick back. Unlike an airplane cruising at altitude, on a motorcycle or low flying jet you're never more than a few milliseconds from disaster if your attention wanders.
Yes, agreed.

A single engine is lacking the redundancy of another engine, but at least it has redundant systems. This is where feasibility crosses practicality. Headway is being made here, for example, Cirrus' CAPS parachute system, where falling from the sky into nothingness may not be pretty, but you'll probably live. Also, as synthetic vision evolves, so should safety. Synthetic vision will ultimately map every road, building, and hill on the surface.

-BD

 
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

Benjamin Franklin addressing the Pennsylvania Assembly, November 11, 1755

 
I finding riding a motorcycle to be a lot like flying a fighter at low altitude. You simply can not ever really relax and kick back. Unlike an airplane cruising at altitude, on a motorcycle or low flying jet you're never more than a few milliseconds from disaster if your attention wanders.
Which is exactly why I ride a motorcycle.

You know what you call a pilot with a code 3 (broke) acft?

A pedestrian. :rolleyes:

Cheers,

Derek (former maintainer)

 
While I am one that never wants to hear of my friend having a MC crash, I do confess that the inherent risk involved IS the attraction for me. It is a mental game, a war of wits against the laws of physics. It's a battle where preparation, equipment, gear, mental focus, etc. all come together to give me a slight edge in returning alive. But it's still a risk. If I don't do my homework, or if I make a miscalculation, the laws of physics will school me without delay.

As one that has awoke to the concerned stares of paramedics looking down at me, I must say that I wouldn't have changed a thing. If I could have gone back to the beginning, and seen my eventual outcome, I still would have chosen to ride. My human arrogance would have thought that I could somehow change the outcome and beat the system.

I think the reason why some choose one risk vs. another is just an internal understanding or intuition of a particular set of physical laws that we think we can exploit. None of us willingly choose to play a game that we know we will lose.

 
While I am one that never wants to hear of my friend having a MC crash, I do confess that the inherent risk involved IS the attraction for me. It is a mental game, a war of wits against the laws of physics. It's a battle where preparation, equipment, gear, mental focus, etc. all come together to give me a slight edge in returning alive. But it's still a risk. If I don't do my homework, or if I make a miscalculation, the laws of physics will school me without delay.
As one that has awoke to the concerned stares of paramedics looking down at me, I must say that I wouldn't have changed a thing. If I could have gone back to the beginning, and seen my eventual outcome, I still would have chosen to ride. My human arrogance would have thought that I could somehow change the outcome and beat the system.

I think the reason why some choose one risk vs. another is just an internal understanding or intuition of a particular set of physical laws that we think we can exploit. None of us willingly choose to play a game that we know we will lose.
Scab,

The day you start reciting stuff like this in your sleep is when I find a new room mate for EOM!!

J/K: Good stuff man!

JW

 
Now, if I could just ride to a level of proficiency equal to that of my ability to talk ****...

 
Yes, I understand that I'm giving up impact & weather protection, and I'm going to a vehicle that requires that I actively balance it to stay upright. However, as part of that trade-off (and engineering IS basically deciding trade-offs) I get much higher performance and ease of maintenance.

It requires that I maintain it better than a car. I have to check tire pressure often, and keep an eye out for leaks, bent stuff, tire issues, and burned out bulbs. When I'm riding, I have to keep an eye out for idiots, deer, potholes, and other road hazards, and I can't just zone out holding the big wheel.

It's the same sort of trade-off as flying a single-engine Cessna vs. a multi-engine passenger plane. Sure, you have 3 extra engines on that A-340 and an autopilot that will fix you lunch, but you also pay for them and have to service them and keep that complex flight control system happy.

It's what's feasible, what's practical, and what can you afford?

Heck, there's even a trade-off between my bikes. My FJR has a lot more power, ABS brakes, hydraulic clutch, fuel injection, digital dash, and bodywork that keep me warm in winter. It's also a lot heavier, more expensive, and harder to service than my SV-650. On my SV, I take off the seat and 2 bolts, raise the tank on the hinge, and there's the entire engine. I love riding them both because they're so different.

And yes, in the school of hard knocks, I've learned to have at least 3 methods of navigation available. :)

 
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