Tire patches - a data point

[mcatrophy]

But, ******* it, NO ONE will answer the question if a turkey will fit in a freakin' side bag!!

Depends whether or not the turkey WANTS to go in the side bag. They can be pretty difficult to handle if they don't want to cooperate.

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Plugged, lasted life of the tyre:



Had two or three others. Never had an issue.

 

[Enn]

No Thanks' on patching a tire. I would plug a tire if i was on the side of the road and then replace it (Life is top short ) tire are cheap!

You resurrected a 6 month old thread to add that bit of wisdom?

The same here. I would never take any risk on plug & patch regardless what some other pilots say here. In regards to tires I am pretty surprised, the guys who always tighten the nuts and bolts according to the torque values, drive ATGATT, do all the forks and shocks every 10 k, etc are then ready to compromise on tires ... Sounds like a smart saving policy ...

Are you a tire expert?

Probably not more than you are. I am fully OK if you patch your tire 1,2, ... many times, just expressed my opinion.

 

[Enn]

Bull! The people advocating that we not repair MC tires are the same people that sell them. What do you think they would rather sell you; a $4 plug/patch set or a new $200 tire?

I have heard so many ******** stories about how a MC tire creates some type of magical force field that makes the tire prone to explode and kill everyone e within a 30 mile radius, but the funny thing is: all those guys sell MC tires too.

I have seen tons of guys run on fixed tires, and have yet to see one have a fatal malfunction caused by a bad plug or patch. Plenty of things on a MC will kill a rider. A repaired tire is very low on that list.

Sorry to disappoint you, but I am not a tire salesman, neither do I get any commission on any sold tire. But for sure I would appreciate to.

As far as I am aware in most countries fixing the bike tires in repair-shops is not allowed by safety standards, would bet it is the same in US ...

 

[odot]

I once watched a guy ride a patched tyre 1100 hundred miles before I got tyred of riding and wanted to drink col' beer. I think he went on another 500 miles.

 

[Donal]

This is an extract from a MCN article.....................

BSAU159f states that no repairs are allowed in the sidewalls (these flex continuously and a repair is likely to fail), and the standard says repairs are not allowed on high speed Z-rated tyres.

It says a tyre must be inspected by an expert for secondary damage (a nail which punctures the tread might also damage the sidewall inside), run-flat damage (determined by a darkened or marbled appearance inside the sidewall), exposed cords and so on.

Michelin, however, is the only manufacturer that recommends that its Z rated tyres can be repaired in accordance with the previous BSAU159e.

Repairs can only be made in the centre of the tread area, to within 25% of each side of the centre line.

Only two repairs per tyre are allowed up to the J (62mph) speed rating, and one up to the V (over 130mph with 155mph maximum) speed rating. Up to the J rating, repairs no bigger than 6mm are allowed, and up to the V rating only up to 3mm is allowed.

All repairs must be carried out with a mushroom-type plug, which fits into the puncture hole from the inside and bonds with the tyre by vulcanisation.

Anything else and the British Standard says the tyre must be binned.

If your tyre repairer says the same and quotes similar reasons, he’s being honest.

 

[mcatrophy]

This is an extract from a MCN article.....................

BSAU159f states that ...

Anything else and the British Standard says the tyre must be binned.

If your tyre repairer says the same and quotes similar reasons, he’s being honest.

Not saying you're wrong. But, just remember the Health and Safety police and this litigious society mean rules are generally way more strict than they need be. Ask the darksiders how difficult it is to get a M/C garage to put on a car tyre, yet how many accidents have been recorded because of a car tyre on a bike?

I assume you've never been even 1mph over the speed limit "because it's dangerous".

And, read your own sig line.

“Whoever undertakes to set himself up as a judge of Truth and Knowledge is shipwrecked by the laughter of the gods.”

Slightly ironic, eh? Heh, heh.

"Rules are for the guidance of wise men and the blind obedience of fools."

(Solon, the Lawmaker of Athens, d. 559BCE)

 

[John d]

My double plugged tire made it just fine on CA 299, CA 36, CA 49...before hitting upper FJR nominal speeds in Nevada on Hwy 50 whilst getting home from Kali...2000 miles of twisty curvy high speed on a double plugged opening on the bottom of the rear tire.
Without a care in the world.

Everybody knows a patch on the bottom of the tire is safe Mark.. Those in the topside are killers!

I didn't know tires had topsides and bottoms. When Marks finds a nail in the top side, I'll assume he just rotates his wheel half way around, before he plugs it.

 

[Bustanut joker]

I knew that John but, you see where mcatropy has lost his mind??

Yep! He's got a plug in the "end" of his tire..

That can't be good.

 

[odot]

I think I'd want to keep my air in the "front" of my tyre.

 

[Ignacio]

This is an extract from a MCN article.....................

BSAU159f states that no repairs are allowed in the sidewalls (these flex continuously and a repair is likely to fail), and the standard says repairs are not allowed on high speed Z-rated tyres.

It says a tyre must be inspected by an expert for secondary damage (a nail which punctures the tread might also damage the sidewall inside), run-flat damage (determined by a darkened or marbled appearance inside the sidewall), exposed cords and so on.

Michelin, however, is the only manufacturer that recommends that its Z rated tyres can be repaired in accordance with the previous BSAU159e.

Not that I could have quoted this standard or apply it with micrometer precision, but some of the points in it are exactly what I consider myself when I decide whether to patch or replace personally. Patches near the centerline are preferable (and more common) than punctures nearer the edge. You have to get solid vulcanization for the repair to work, longer gashes are far worse than screw or nail punctures, etc. I've repaired and ran to end-of-life most of my tires as standards were met and thrown away several tires (after getting back to civilization at a slower speeds) that didn't meet these standards.

 

[SkooterG]

"Rules are for the guidance of wise men and the blind obedience of fools."
(Solon, the Lawmaker of Athens, d. 559BCE)

Excellent quote!

 

[odot]

"Rules are for the guidance of wise men and the blind obedience of fools."
(Solon, the Lawmaker of Athens, d. 559BCE)

Excellent quote!

Excellent post!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!