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RebelRider

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I had the Avons put on last week. I asked the guy that put them on what tire pressure he recommended. He said 32 front and 40 rear because of the heat here in Sacramento California. I told him the bike states 36 front and 42 rear. He said.."Well..add some air if ya wanna".

Does heat alter tire pressure?? When it's hot do I run less??

I just want to get the best mileage I can from the bike~

 
add the pressure. The heat from friction does more to heat up a tire than the ambient temperature ever will. That's my 2 cent text book answer. I live in Sacramento also and I run the tires high in pressure.

what Avons did you get?

 
Thanks. It's starting to cool down here anyway...especially in the hills so riding soft for heat, even if his claim were true, wouldn't egt you much. Some people ride soft to get more footprint on the road for better grip. I'm no racer kinda guy, sounds like it makes sense, but I'd worry about the tire shape if you go too soft.

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I had the Avons put on last week. I asked the guy that put them on what tire pressure he recommended.  He said 32 front and 40 rear because of the heat here in Sacramento California.  I told him the bike states 36 front and 42 rear.  He said.."Well..add some air if ya wanna".
Does heat alter tire pressure??  When it's hot do I run less??

I just want to get the best mileage I can from the bike~
Heat most definitely impacts tire pressures and tire life. A tire will heat from contact and friction with the road's surface and from sidewall flex (which is function of tire design, load, speed, and how it is used). Starting from a base of 80F degrees, air volume and tire pressure will increase 10% for every 54F increase in the tire's inner temperatures. Increased tire temperatures will increase traction but decrease tire life. A 10% difference between cold and hot pressures is usually considered to be an optimum compromise between traction and tire life although some sport riders think that a 15-20% temperature increase in the rear tire is necessary to achieve the traction they need (racers may run 25-30% temperature increase but they only need their tires to last the length of the race).

As tires heat up the pressures rise until the sidewalls become rigid enough that they are no longer flexing. This is referred to as equilibrium pressure and will vary depending on the tire, load, and speed. Since there is a limit on how hot a tire can get, there is also a limit on how much the tire's pressure can rise but I think most tires can expand their cold pressure by at least 30 percent. What this means is that it does not make much difference whether you start out at 36 or 42 psi cold, your hot pressure is probably going to be the same, the only difference is that if you start at the low pressure your tire is going to be running a much higher temperature (better traction but shorter tire life).

What pressure is right for your tires and the way you ride? Put 40 psi in each tire, ride for 20-30 minutes to fully heat the tires, and then check the "hot" pressures. If you have 42 in the front and 46 in the rear then the cold pressures probably should be 38 and 42. If you have hot readings of 44 and 46 then the cold pressures should be 40 and 42.

I normally run "hot" pressures of 44 in the front and 46 in the rear. Last weekend I was in Western Montana on a 90 plus temperature day and ran on the freeway at 85-90 mph for about an hour. When I checked my tire pressures afterwards they were 45 and 48 and the rear tire seemed very hot to the touch even though the pressure had only gone up 15 percent. Since the outside (base) air temperature was 90, that indicated the tire temperature was around 170 degrees which I think is pretty close to the temperature limit that you should be running on any tire.

So, if you want long tire life, use high tire pressures and move to Seattle where it is cool and rainy most of the time.

 
WOW! Great response MCRIDER007!
Thanks!

Now I am waiting for someone to ask what cold pressure they should start with if the "hot" pressure on the rear tire is 50 psi because they are running 90 mph in 100 degree heat fully loaded with a passenger (actually overloaded) and the tire says not to exceed 42 psi cold.

 
Since the outside (base) air temperature was 90, that indicated the tire temperature was around 170 degrees which I think is pretty close to the temperature limit that you should be running on any tire.
One thing I forgot to mention in my original posting is that the SmarTire monitoring system gives a "warning" when a tire's temperature exceeds 176F but I do not know why that temperature is considered to be "critically high".

 
I live in the Sacramento Valley and run 40 front and 42 rear. It works for me and the tires wear well as long as I control my right wrist (i.e., roll on the throttle, not twist it hard).

You will have to find the combination that workfor you and the weight you pack.

 
WOW! Great response MCRIDER007!
Thanks!

Now I am waiting for someone to ask what cold pressure they should start with if the "hot" pressure on the rear tire is 50 psi because they are running 90 mph in 100 degree heat fully loaded with a passenger (actually overloaded) and the tire says not to exceed 42 psi cold.
I would have, but I was running at 120 at 88 degrees with pillion and loaded :agent:

 
I live in the Sacramento Valley and run 40 front and 42 rear. It works for me and the tires wear well as long as I control my right wrist (i.e., roll on the throttle, not twist it hard).You will have to find the combination that workfor you and the weight you pack.

Is that cold or hot tyre pressure?

I think that with the way I ride; always on the throttle even during braking, I usually only get 3-5K on a back tyre anyway so I'll just go with the dealer setup of 36/38 cold tire pressure. It's gonna get cold in Sacto soon anyway...right?
 
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It is best to follow the rules of the engineer that put the information on the tire's side wall. Follow the information that is on the tire and that will be the correct pressure for your tires and wear life. the information on the tire is like instructionwhen you buy sometthing and putting it together, read and follow the instruction. ;) <_< :bigeyes: I run max pressure all the time and I am in the sacramento area gets hot on 105 f days.. let those wheeels role

 
I live in the mountains above the Sacramento Valley. Temps here have been hotter most days than in the Valley, high 90's. I run the Avons on my '04 FJR at 42/42 psi, checked early in the morning when the tires are cold. Most of my riding is one up. Currently have 9600 miles on the Avons, expect I will get in the 12,000-13,000 mile range before hitting the wear bars. I got 10,745 miles out of the OEM Bridgeston BT-020's, also ran those at 42/42 psi, could probably have gone another 1000 miles before fully hitting the wear bars on those. I'm a fairly aggressive rider altho most of my FJR riding is hiway cruising in the 75-85 mph range. When I want to be REALLY aggressive, my son and I ride our GSXR sportbikes, which leave the FJR in the dust. I love the FJR however, best all around bike I've ever owned.

Lee in the Mountains of Northern California B)

 
I live in the mountains above the Sacramento Valley. ... I got 10,745 miles out of the OEM Bridgeston BT-020's, also ran those at 42/42 psi, could probably have gone another 1000 miles before fully hitting the wear bars on those.  I'm a fairly aggressive rider altho most of my FJR riding is hiway cruising in the 75-85 mph range.
Lee, I also have the OEM BT020's and do most of my riding in the hills above Yuba City or toward the coast, with a good measure of flat valley riding thrown in. I don't consider myself an aggressive rider, but I'm just now changing out my tires at just over 5K. Now either my 05 has a stronger motor than the 04 (ha ha) or my lower mileage is do to riding two up almost all the time. The extra weight on the back (and don't you tell my wife I said that) has to be the cause. Has anyone else noticed significantly lower mileage on the tires if the bike is always ridden two up?

 
I just turned 5235 miles on stock Bridgestones......at this point about 2/3 of my miles are 2up with baggage. I need new tires. 1/2 of this mileage was on our recent trip to Colorado where we expereinced cooler weather, but quite a few miles of oil on gravel roads (tear tires up a bit).

1/2 of the mileage is Sacramento, and local hills.

 
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Azaro 45 and 46 from FJR Goodies~
How do you like the Avons so far?

Anyone else can chime in too. I just ordered the Avons...the Bridgestones lasted me only slightly over 5k miles before I ordered new...they are worn so the tread wear indicator is smooth with the tread....the front left side is cupping...time for new ones. I am also ordering a fork brace to try to prevent cupping. If handling is better too (as I read it is) so much the better...although I have been really happy with the FJR's handling already.

 
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