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DLP is smooth with motion, just like CRTs were. The sets are bulkier, though, and people want flat-screens. (More probably, marketing people like selling flat-screens, because more of them go out in a shipment.) The motion artifacts with LCD screens is simply because LCDs can't change fast enough. They physically lag behind the picture, some much worse than others. Plasma gives you flat and responsive, both.

For the 1080p vs 1080i question: There are NO broadcasts in 1080p. Only attached devices (BluRay player, game consoles, etc.) can do 1080p. I present the following analysis:

A 720 picture has a resolution of 1280x720, or about 1 megapixel, give or take. The bandwidth allocated to digital channels allows them to refresh that megapixel 60 times a second. It draws the entire picture every 60th of a second in a single progressive scan, giving you the p in 720p.

A 1080 picture has a resolution of 1920x1080, or about 2 megapixels, give or take. That's too much information to refresh 60 times a second in the allocated bandwidth, so they break it into halves. You spend a 60th of a second doing the odd lines, then then next 60th doing the evens, back and forth. That's interlacing, giving you the i in 1080i. You get about the same amount of data flowing, about a megapixel image every 60th of a second, but it takes two scans to draw the whole picture, for an actual frame rate of 30 frames per second.

Attached devices do not have to conform to the broadcast bandwith limitation, so going to 2 megapixels every 60th of a second is no big deal, making the p in 1080p possible.

Most of the modern sets will buffer their 1080i and present it in p mode to prevent the interlacing artifact (scan lines jumping up and down) from being visible. they assemble the full frame from the 2 fields, then present it twice in a row (to take up both 60th-of-a-second time slots) without actually interlacing.

3D puts an entirely new demand on bandwidth. There is more 3D material available on BluRay than there is on broadcast, because to broadcast 3D you have to give up resolution and frame rate. The picture has to be split in two, a left-eye picture and a right-eye picture, but both pictures have to fit in the broadcast bandwidth. ESPN 3D sends the picture full width and half height, while HBO and most others I've seen use full height and half width images. If you tune a 3D picture on a non-3D set (or before turning on the 3D mode) you see a picture that's either two picture squished to fit one above the other, or squished to fit sid-by-side. I think the choice of side-by-side or over-under depends on the original HD format, as ESPN uses 720p and HBO uses 1080i. Turning on the 3D mode combines the images correctly on the set, and synchronizes the glasses to block one eye at a time. When the left eye picture is on the screen, the right eye of the glasses is black, so the left eye sees its version of the image. Then they switch, showing the right image and blacking out the left eye. It's fast enough to be flicker-free (mostly) although you can tell that you're getting a lower frame rate.

Again, BluRay and attached devices are not limited by broadcast bandwidth and don't have to send shrunken images to be reassembled by the TV. They still give up frame rate by alternating left/righ/left/right every 60th of a second, giving you a 3D frame rate of 30 per second, but each frame is full resolution rather than having to be stretched back into place.

Here endeth the lesson.

 
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Whoaaaahh :eek: So much to consider. I read 'em all and was reaching for my wallet :lol: -- then along came Aasland and Cibrd0wn with the voices of reason ! I DID recently replace the lamp in the set .. then purchased another (expensive little buggers) as a back-up. So that fact is at the back of my mind also. Consensus is I should go HD anyway, and you're all correct :) Thanks for the help guys :D

 
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DLP is smooth with motion, just like CRTs were. The sets are bulkier, though, and people want flat-screens. (More probably, marketing people like selling flat-screens, because more of them go out in a shipment.) The motion artifacts with LCD screens is simply because LCDs can't change fast enough. They physically lag behind the picture, some much worse than others. Plasma gives you flat and responsive, both.

For the 1080p vs 1080i question: There are NO broadcasts in 1080p. Only attached devices (BluRay player, game consoles, etc.) can do 1080p. I present the following analysis:

A 720 picture has a resolution of 1280x720, or about 1 megapixel, give or take. The bandwidth allocated to digital channels allows them to refresh that megapixel 60 times a second. It draws the entire picture every 60th of a second in a single progressive scan, giving you the p in 720p.

A 1080 picture has a resolution of 1920x1080, or about 2 megapixels, give or take. That's too much information to refresh 60 times a second in the allocated bandwidth, so they break it into halves. You spend a 60th of a second doing the odd lines, then then next 60th doing the evens, back and forth. That's interlacing, giving you the i in 1080i. You get about the same amount of data flowing, about a megapixel image every 60th of a second, but it takes two scans to draw the whole picture, for an actual frame rate of 30 frames per second.

Attached devices do not have to conform to the broadcast bandwith limitation, so going to 2 megapixels every 60th of a second is no big deal, making the p in 1080p possible.

Most of the modern sets will buffer their 1080i and present it in p mode to prevent the interlacing artifact (scan lines jumping up and down) from being visible. they assemble the full frame from the 2 fields, then present it twice in a row (to take up both 60th-of-a-second time slots) without actually interlacing.

3D puts an entirely new demand on bandwidth. There is more 3D material available on BluRay than there is on broadcast, because to broadcast 3D you have to give up resolution and frame rate. The picture has to be split in two, a left-eye picture and a right-eye picture, but both pictures have to fit in the broadcast bandwidth. ESPN 3D sends the picture full width and half height, while HBO and most others I've seen use full height and half width images. If you tune a 3D picture on a non-3D set (or before turning on the 3D mode) you see a picture that's either two picture squished to fit one above the other, or squished to fit sid-by-side. I think the choice of side-by-side or over-under depends on the original HD format, as ESPN uses 720p and HBO uses 1080i. Turning on the 3D mode combines the images correctly on the set, and synchronizes the glasses to block one eye at a time. When the left eye picture is on the screen, the right eye of the glasses is black, so the left eye sees its version of the image. Then they switch, showing the right image and blacking out the left eye. It's fast enough to be flicker-free (mostly) although you can tell that you're getting a lower frame rate.

Again, BluRay and attached devices are not limited by broadcast bandwidth and don't have to send shrunken images to be reassembled by the TV. They still give up frame rate by alternating left/righ/left/right every 60th of a second, giving you a 3D frame rate of 30 per second, but each frame is full resolution rather than having to be stretched back into place.

Here endeth the lesson.
And I was educated !! Beautiful Wfoo. :) This one I printed out, thanks.

 
Roger, you would see an immediate difference with an HD signal on your existing TV. Technology and resolution has moved on, and I wouldn't try to talk you out of a new set, but your existing equipment is capable of displaying HD television. Also, you can receive at least 16 HD channels FREE by installing a HD UHF antenna. All of the local stations broadcast HD signals and believe it or not, most of them broadcast more than one channel of HD. There are two for KCRA and the Public channel. I can get signals all the way out to San Jose, San Francisco and of course pull in all the broadcasters out at Twin Rivers Drive. Makes you think that expensive cable bill isn't the best deal going when they actually charge extra for what you can get for free.

 
Once you go HD, you never go back. I think the most dramatic improvement is watching MotoGP and Superbike races. We have a 46" LED HDTV.

 
If you let Dish Network do paperless billing, so they auto withdraw from your account every month, the new equipment and the HD programming is FREE...For life. Totally worth it!!

 
I'm triply spoiled, as I have HD and TIVO. I never watch anything live anymore, and pretty much record everything in HD (I removed all the SD channels and ones we don't receive from the program guide). Just remember the old phrase Garbage In, Garbage Out; the better the signal going into the set, the better the picture you'll see...of course, just wait until we go to 4K resolution (4096x2160)...

 
And I was educated !! Beautiful Wfoo. :) This one I printed out, thanks.
DLP is a poor investment. it's still rear projection and if you get the consumer-grade design, it uses 1 chip and a color wheel (think about those old silver xmas trees with the spinning color wheel). the bulbs are expensive to replace (think $300+ each) and don't last long if you watch a lot of TV (a friend had to replace his twice a year when he bought DLP when I tried to steer him to LCD/LED/Plasma).

Consider plasma, LCD, or LED. Look at them side-by-side and have the dealer set the TVs up right (turn OFF store mode and turn on MOVIE mode as store mode over drives the back light and pushes the red and blue to dazzle the uninformed shopper).

All things being equal, plasma will refresh faster but generate more heat. LED tends to be more evenly lit across the entire surface than LCD. When picking LED/LCD look for models with zone blanking (or whatever each vendor calls it). That turns off the back lighting in smaller regions of the screen when an area is black. Instead of throwing a mask in front of the back light (which then looks grey-ish), it can turn off the back lighting in small zones on the screen and make your blacks look really black. That contrast improvement is perceived by the eye as a HUGE improvement in picture quality. Also look for faster freq for LED/LCD (don't even consider 60hz because that's the same freq as you A/C power and can cause flickering). 120Hz is a minimum, 240hz is better.

If you have the cash (and want an LED/LCD instead of plasma - say because your viewing room has ambient light), then go LED and 3d. Even if you don't want to watch 3d, the processors in those are faster so they can throw more OOPH into 2d shows.

So

Plasma if you can make you room completely dark.

LED with local blanking of the zones + 3d for the extra processing power if you can afford it.

Forget ALL rear projectors (even DLP unless you can afford a 3-chip design which usually get you into the 5 figure+ cost range).

 
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What Bounce said, except I have no issue with my plasma in a well-lit room. It's plenty bright.

The issue is the mirror-like surface of the screen. You can't have lamps in the room that will reflect in the screen, because you'll see them while watching.

 
OH YEAH !!!! Should have done this a long time ago. What a difference :eek: Love it :D

Autopay/paperless billing = free HD for life from DISH -- can't beat that!!

Hell of a shock though when I saw Gov Gerry Brown's nose in HD :unsure: Quickly offset though by one of our cute TV anchors :D

 
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get them [HDMI cables] at BestBuy or Walmart.
Only if you want to pay about 5x too much. Otherwise, get them from Monoprice.com
preach it brother.

the only cables i've had fail were the $60 ones from Best Buy. the $5 ones from Monoprice are better built and in keeping with the actual value of the product. BB is about to fail because it can't rethink its business model and jacked all its prices up when CompuUSA, Circuit City, etc. tanked. they are even considering going to a mobile phone only type store and becoming a large Radio Shack as one of their options.

Monoprice.com is the sheetz for cables, switches, etc. (A/V and networking).

 
Rog, we run the 2T receiver as well and love it. I like the fact I can record tv and when I watch my shows I can zip past commercials. Puts some fun back in the mix. PM.

 
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