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James Burleigh

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It seems like there have been a lot of motorcycle deaths in my neck of the woods over the past few months. So it was with more trepidation that I saw the following headline when I searched local news on the Web this morning:

[SIZE=12pt]BAY AREA[/SIZE]

2 motorcyclists killed in crashes are identified

Before I get into the details of these two accidents, which occurred on roads I ride all the time, let me say that I'm a big fan of David Hough's books. Like me (but decidedly NOT like the non-riding public), he doesn't believe that every motorcyclist is destined to die in an accident or even be in an accident. I think some riders don't agree with him either. I saw a post here somewhere where the writer said he believed that every rider will die in a motorcycle accident--the trick is to postpone it long enough to die of something else. A curious attitude IMHO.

And my buddy Motorcycle Mike, a very experienced, highly trained, commutes-every-day-rain-or-shine Harley bagger and Buell rider, once commented to me that everyone gets in an accident with a car eventually, and that his turn is coming up because he's been riding so long and hasn't had one yet. (I told him I didn't believe that for a second: that every time he gets on his bike, so long as he's sober and focused, he has no greater or lesser probability of getting in an accident than the day before and the day before that. The probability does not go up because you've been riding a long time--in fact, it goes down because of your experience. I suggested he think about it in terms of the likelihood resetting itself every time he gets on the bike. But that's a different posting than this one.)

Hough believes as I do that riders can manage their risk, and that when there is an accident one should not presume that the poor dumb SOB rider got in an accident because he was suddenly knocked off his bike by a car. So to that end Hough recommends that we look into why an accident occurred: What were the circumstances? Was the rider trained? Sober? Properly attired? What were the conditions?--urban, rural, wet, dry? Etc., etc.

When I hear about an accident, these questions are immediately where my mind goes. As a point in fact, when I met Silent and Hycle recently for Starbucks, there were a couple of local cops sitting there having donuts and coffee. I approached them to ask them how I could get my hands on accident reports for two M.C. fatalities that recently occurred--I pointed to two intersections we could see from where we were--there and there....

This is my way of continuing to be able to ride a motorcycle. If I thought I had no control over the bike and myself, and that every M.C. accident was out of the control of the rider, then I'd have to give it up out of sheer fear. As a human creature, I need to understand if XYZ accident would have happened to me.

Yup, a boatload of them absolutely would have happened to me. But another boatload would not, like the two I read about this morning. Could this have happened to you:



The California Highway Patrol has identified two men who died in separate motorcycle accidents on Bay Area roads Friday night.
 
Darrell Hagelberg, 44, of Martinez died at the scene of the 6 p.m. crash on Alhambra Valley Road east of Richmond.
 
Gary Robert Hale, 44, of Vallejo was pronounced dead at about 7:30 p.m. at Kaiser Permanente's Medical Center in Vallejo, an hour after he crashed on Lake Herman Road east of Vallejo.
 
Police say Hagelberg was traveling east on Alhambra Valley Road at approximately 80 mph on his 2007 Suzuki motorcycle when he ran into a car that had slowed down to make a left turn onto Pereira Road. The posted speed limit was 30 mph.
 
Hale was driving his 2001 Fast BTM motorcycle east on Lake Herman Road when he tried to pass a car on the right shoulder, the CHP said. He swerved as he pulled in front of the sedan and lost control of the motorcycle, falling with it and sliding across the road, where he hit a tree.
 
JB /the two accidents that you described, IMHOP are not accidents. simply put mear crashes of poor judgements or as I say stupidity of their own fate and destiny.

A sane and rational person would not have put themselves in harms way like they did. All of us make choices in life theirs ended theirs

 
JB,

I agree completely with your comments about motorcycle accidents.

Also like David Hough's books as well.

I must say that the Hunter Thompson quote is a bit ironic with these accident reports.

On another note....... we have a son in SF who just graduated from Law School there. Maybe we can meet for coffee the

next time we are out visiting him.

Rick Davis

 
80 in a 30

Passing on the right

Darwin wins. If they were even close to obaying the laws of the road they would not have crashed. IMO No, I would not have been involved in either of those accedents since I don't do 50 over the limit (off the freeway that is :rolleyes: ) and I don't pass on the shoulder.

Ohh, and yea, trees DO hurt :dribble:

 
JB /the two accidents that you described, IMHOP are not accidents. simply put mear crashes of poor judgements or as I say stupidity of their own fate and destiny.
A sane and rational person would not have put themselves in harms way like they did. All of us make choices in life theirs ended theirs
Here is a story of an accident. accident

Here is a story of an *****.

Harley crash injuries kill Dixon woman

Article ID: 6176755

Date: June 19, 2007

Publication: Reporter, The (Vacaville, CA)

"A head-on traffic collision Saturday in South Sacramento seriously injured a Dixon man and contributed to the death of a Dixon woman who was struck by a truck following the first collision, authorities said. Shortly before 1:30 p.m. Peter Trosell, 51, and Juliette M. Pelicas, 36, were headed north on Highway 160 on Trosell's 2005 Harley-Davidson Road King when the bike crossed over the yellow lines into the opposing lane while passing another vehicle, according to Officer Jasper "

What I remember of the original news story was more detailed. Hwy 160 is a two lane road on top of the Sacramento River levee. Water on one side and drop off some 30 feet on the other side. No shoulders , uneven pavement, winding road with with Double Yellow lines. It also listed the couple as husband and wife. This poor guy will have to live out his life knowing his decision killed his wife. When I first read the story I wanted to go the hospital and kick the sh*t out of him. now I think he will suffer more by his own decision.

 
'What I remember of the original news story was more detailed. Hwy 160 is a two lane road on top of the Sacramento River levee. Water on one side and drop off some 30 feet on the other side. No shoulders , uneven pavement, winding road with with Double Yellow lines. It also listed the couple as husband and wife. This poor guy will have to live out his life knowing his decision killed his wife. When I first read the story I wanted to go the hospital and kick the sh*t out of him. now I think he will suffer more by his own decision.
Yep, you told us about that one and I haven't forgotten. In fact, I brought it up when I was talking to a friend today. Kill yourself, but don't kill your S.O. for crying out loud....! And how many of us have seen all those riders with their kids on the back in oversized helmet and same shorts, t-shirts, and sandals as the parent.

And speaking of Harleys (did I mention Harleys?? :rolleyes: ), today up in Winters, while taking a break of soda and snickerdoodles in the shade of a sidewalk cafe, we watched and waved at a number of weekend Harley riders. Not one of them was planning on crashing today, since every last man jack and jill (on the back) of them was wearing Harley weekend-rider summer regulation attire: t-shirt and shorts. I also saw a number of beanie helmets that weren't strapped. Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face, and I do mean that literally.

Jb

 
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'What I remember of the original news story was more detailed. Hwy 160 is a two lane road on top of the Sacramento River levee. Water on one side and drop off some 30 feet on the other side. No shoulders , uneven pavement, winding road with with Double Yellow lines. It also listed the couple as husband and wife. This poor guy will have to live out his life knowing his decision killed his wife. When I first read the story I wanted to go the hospital and kick the sh*t out of him. now I think he will suffer more by his own decision.
Yep, you told us about that one and I haven't forgotten. In fact, I brought it up when I was talking to a friend today. Kill yourself, but don't kill your S.O. for crying out loud....! And how many of us have seen all those riders with their kids on the back in oversized helmet and same shorts, t-shirts, and sandals as the parent. And speaking of Harleys (did I mention Harleys?? :rolleyes: ), today up in Winters, while taking a break of soda and snickerdoodles in the shade of a sidewalk cafe, we watched and waved at a number of weekend Harley riders. Not one of them was planning on crashing today, since every last man jack and jill (on the back) of them was wearing Harley weekend-rider summer regulation attire: t-shirt and shorts. I also saw a number of beanie helmets that weren't strapped. Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face, and I do mean that literally.Jb
In Flower Mound, Texas this week, a motor officer in pursuit with lights and sirens on was taken down by a motorist turning left across his path. The motorcycle officer has suffered grave injuries and is in a local hospital. No word of whether or not the motorist will be charged.I don't have a siren or flashing lights or a stack of laws on my side. If it is a tie, you loose.I hope they prosecute the motorist for the myriad of laws she broke but I doubt they will.Gotta always be vigilant and ATGATT.FJRayJ
'What I remember of the original news story was more detailed. Hwy 160 is a two lane road on top of the Sacramento River levee. Water on one side and drop off some 30 feet on the other side. No shoulders , uneven pavement, winding road with with Double Yellow lines. It also listed the couple as husband and wife. This poor guy will have to live out his life knowing his decision killed his wife. When I first read the story I wanted to go the hospital and kick the sh*t out of him. now I think he will suffer more by his own decision.
Yep, you told us about that one and I haven't forgotten. In fact, I brought it up when I was talking to a friend today. Kill yourself, but don't kill your S.O. for crying out loud....! And how many of us have seen all those riders with their kids on the back in oversized helmet and same shorts, t-shirts, and sandals as the parent. And speaking of Harleys (did I mention Harleys?? :rolleyes: ), today up in Winters, while taking a break of soda and snickerdoodles in the shade of a sidewalk cafe, we watched and waved at a number of weekend Harley riders. Not one of them was planning on crashing today, since every last man jack and jill (on the back) of them was wearing Harley weekend-rider summer regulation attire: t-shirt and shorts. I also saw a number of beanie helmets that weren't strapped. Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face, and I do mean that literally.Jb
In Flower Mound, Texas this week, a motor officer in pursuit with lights and sirens on was taken down by a motorist turning left across his path. The motorcycle officer has suffered grave injuries and is in a local hospital. No word of whether or not the motorist will be charged.I don't have a siren or flashing lights or a stack of laws on my side. If it is a tie, you loose.I hope they prosecute the motorist for the myriad of laws she broke but I doubt they will.Gotta always be vigilant and ATGATT.FJRayJ
 
I know in my accident, if I wasn''t being nice and trying to get space between me and the cars behind me for the girl to turn I might've been able to stop before t-boning her. Too bad she decided to cut across a major road instead of turning as her indicator told me.

The more I replay it in my head the more I see the stuff that was unseeable(?)and , I think, blaming myself for something that isn't my fault. If anything it'll teach me to stop giving people credit for brain function.

"Stupid until proven viable" from now on!

Plus, wife says next one is my last one, accident that is, I guess 2 in a year would scare most SO's that care. Especially since the last one could've been so much worse than it was if she waited another second to hit the brakes.

 
I was thinking about someone the other day, someone that I hadn't seen in mabe, oh, I don't know, 12 years. Someone who Impacted my like in a very positive way, although not too directly. He was my 7th grade science teacher, and was one of my top two favarite teachers I ever had.

I googled his name, just to see what he was up to nowadays, and what I saw horrified me. It was like a bad dream, only in real life, there is no sympathy in a nightmare, and when you get you're heart sunken and you're in a state of shock, there are plenty of others there that are willing to pour salt in the open gash and jst keep kicking and kicking as long as it's entertaining for them. I still haven't recovered from all of the damage, and the sad thing is, is that there is no one out there that truley understands how tragic the situation really is, which is why the salt will unfortunately continue to pour.

What I saw that horrified me is one of those things that makes a tough man cry. Something I can't find the words to so much that my fingers tremble as I type this. The feeling I had in my stomach after reading the news was the same as my racist grandfather calling me a n***er (I'm half black and half white), or the feeling I had in my stomach when i found out that Chris benoit killed his wife, 7 year old child, and then himself, or the same feeling I had in my stomach when 9/11 happened.

I read that Mr. Trosell (Peter Trosell) and Juliette Pelitcas were involved in a motorcyle accident due to a completely out-of-charactor action taken by Mr. Trosell, that resulted in the death of Mrs. Pelitcas. Both of them were teachers, and Mr. Trosell was my science teacher in 7th grade.

Mr. Trosell was a phenominal human being, one of the best people I have ever had the privelege of knowing. I'll tell you right now, straight up, I have been through hell and back multiple times in my life, and it is not easy to gain respect from me, allthough I am a highly respectfull person in terms of my demeanor. Mr. Trosell is someone that I greatly respect to this day. I'll tell you, It takes an extremely, extremely special person.

I had a 4th grade teacher named Mrs Larsen. I don't mind saying it here, but when I was in grade school, I had an up hill battle, to say the least. I had, not 1, not 2, not 3, but 7 different learning dissabilities. 1 learning dissability is enough to see that one kid in class have to get up in the middle of class and go to another class of 3 kids so he can learn basic skills that other kids already know. I had small motor skill problems, large motor skill problems, When someone gave me directions, I only remembered 30%, even simple things. Whenever I read something really slowly, I'd forget everything I read right afterwards. I had speech problems, so I'd have good Idea's in my head, but I couldn't get them out very well. I had severe sensory perception problems (I couldn't tell the difference between 5 feet and 10 feet) so I basically couldn't tell distance at all. I'd shoot a basletball, and to me, it looked like it was going to go right in, swish! But to everyone else, It was an air ball about 5 feet away. I hadt extremely touchy sense of tough, so i didn't like to touch anything. I couldn't do well in anything physical, and I couldn't do well in anything academically. Over time though, mu doctor said that as long as I exercise my brain and the older i get, I should get better.

In the middle of my 4th grade class, I had about 3 or 4 other classes I had to go to for other LD related things. I had LD class, I had speech class, I had ocupational therepy ect.. Ofcourse, I couldn't remember what time these classes were no matter how many times I was told, so I had paper clocks taped to my desk with each class' name on it, so I could compare the hand signals to the real clock when It was time to go. It didn't work, I'd still forget. It was apparent to the other kids that I was "********".

One thing though that was apperent, was that I was actually intelligent, but it was just my learning dissabilities interfering (I wasn't actually "********"). I solved math problems in my head when it was manditory to use a pencil and paper, and I could read like the wind blew, but I just couldn't remember what I was reading.

Well, Mrs. Larsen actually bought me tickets so I could take swimming lessons and improve my coordination. She would even come over to the house on her time off and help me with some of the video's I had to watch to help my physical and mental learning process. One time, when the kids at the end of the year would gather in an assembly at the gym to wtch a few select students recieve academic awards, She actually mad an award up just for me called "most improved dodgeball player". I'll never forget it. Mrs. Larsen was a great teacher and is an awesome human being.

The thing is, is that you have to do alot of things differently to adapt when you have Learning dissabililies. You have to do things your own way, so then, you can do the things that others can do, you just have to have your own way of doing it. However, if your dissabilities were to ever go away, now you have TWO ways of doing something that others only have one, and it can actually work to your advantage over time. A learning dissability can actually make you smarter if you are somehow ever able to overcome it. I had 7 of them.

I was homeschooled for 6th grade by my mother, who didn't think I'd ever survive in middle school, where you had to actually change classes by a schedule. The next year for 7th grade, I decided that I wanted to go back to regular school, but the teachers and administration along with the board of ed wouldn't let me off the hook that easily. They said that I had to undergo extensive one-on-one testing with a professional (Like an IQ test), and only if I passed, could I go to 7th grade, if not, it's back to 6th grade. Well, I scored 130, when the average was 100. They told my mother "whatever you taught him at home, it worked wonders!". I was off to 7th grade.

It was here that I met Mr. Trosell.

Mrs. Larsen was great. I put Mr. Trosell right up there with her. That says alot.

I only brought up my experiences with Mrs larsen because I wanted to create a clear perspective of how much respect I have for Mr. Trosell for comparing him to her.

Now, I have to describe Mr. Trosell.

Where the hell do I even begin........

I can't even possibly "sum up" my experiences with Mr. Trosell, but I'll do my best.

First though, let me describe myself today. Today, I'm a high school graduate, and have attended college (the only reason i didn't finish was to help my parents out with daily life, they needed it more than they realise). I'm a great athlete, and have gotten myself in great shape. I became bigger, faster, and stronger than my peers, and today I am 25 years old and work as a certified personal trainer, helping people from all walks of life and changing their lives by teaching them the lifestyle (yes, it is a lifestyle) of exercise and fitness. I no longer have any disabilities. I can write full paragraphs (obviously), and I can communicate great idea's. Not only that, but I have communicated Idea's that are so great (don't mean to brag) that I have left many people 30 years my elder stunned. I have 150 IQ, am a very deep thinker, and most people I know call me the smartest person they know, and can't believe that I had any kind of learning disability (unless I make an avrage, human mistake). At a few of my jobs I was known as the best and hardest working person there, and would often be relied on to complete the most difficult of tasks. I'd have friends just blurt out phone numbers very quickly, and I'd remember them weeks later without ever have written it down. My short term memory is bad, but my long term memory is phenominal. Once I remember something, I remember it for life. I remember when I was one and a half years old. I've asled some of my college professors questions that they didn't have the aswers to about the subjects, and then I'd later find solutions that they themselves couldn't figure out. The best thing, is that I remember every single situation I had when i had my learning dissabilities, and now I can describe, compare, and contracst, so as to relate to other children with the same problems. I can communicate to other people that children with Learning dissabilities are smart, and have great idea' and thoughts, but just can't get it out. when you talk to them, you'll often see them thinking. pay attention to their eyes. I don't say all of this in a boastfull manner, but I just want to illustrate just how far I've come, and there are 3 people in my life that each individually gave me a "kickstart" that allowed me to grow: My mother, Mrs. Larsen, and Mr. Trosell.

Anyway, It was time for 7th grade, and I met Mr. Trosell (I don't mean to go on and on here, but please tolerate me, as I need to get this off my chest. Please understand.)

Here was a guy, 6'5, a full, dark beard, medium length hair, and bright blue eyes. He looked like Jesus Christ. I said "oh great, this guy is going to be my new science teacher". I didn't know yet that he would become a guy that I will remember for the rest of my life.

Mr. Trosell was ( I only use past tence because I haven't seen him in a decade) an extremely intelligent man. I would later realize just how intelligent he was the older I got, and more importantly, how great of a person he was, based off of the lessons that he tought us, that we might not have fully understood then, but understand now.

He stood for right, justice, and all that, yes, but he was also victor. What I mean is, have you ever heard the phrase "nice guys finish last", well, Mr. Trosell was a nice guy that finished first every time. As a matter of fact, he squashed the competition. He'd never break or bend rule, as a matter of fact, he'd be the one making them. He'd make you give another kid a compliment if you said anything mean to them, then he take you out after class and explain why he did that. he was a science teacher that was likable, and therefor everyone wanted to know what he had to say, students, teachers, principals, everyone. He never had to holler because everyone wanted to listen to what he had to say. If he said anything negaitve to you when you were troublesome, you took it to heart that he said it, a factor that other teachers lack, they'd be described as just "mean", but If it was Mr. Trosell, the kid would acually change their ways, he'd make sure by asking the next year when he saw you.

He'd tell the class that when he was a kid, and still to that day presently, that he had small motor skill problems and big motor skill problems (ofcourse I took notice, I still suffered from my Ld's then). he'd say that he can't do "this or "that ( I can't remember exactly what he said), and he'd make jokes about himself with it, but then he'd perform a function that takes great motor skills, like a karate kick, as he knew karate.

Every once in a while, he'd perform magic tricks in the middle of class, making things dissapear. He'd put glass bottles into a paper bag and the just crumple it and the bottles were gone and then he'd just continue his speech. He was notorious for never giving away the secrets. One time, for reasons I don't know, he showed a kid his tricks.

He once stopped class and pulled a desk up and sat on it, and played the harmonica with a song to entertain us. Another time, he did the same thing, only he pulled out an acoustic guitar and played us a slow contry song. After this, one student said "everything you say you can't do, you're good at".

It was later that I realised what he was teaching. He was teaching us that even though you might have things about you that put you at an extreme disadvantage, you can not only acheive great things, but acheive greater things than most people period. You can use the strength and determination needeed to survive your disadvantages to your advantage at other things.

He had aquariums all around the class, with snakes and tiranchulas. He took this giant spider out every once in a while, and told us It's likes, it's dislikes, it's bodylanguage, It's name, what it's bodylanguage means for both happy and sad, ect.. He'd have us move our desks all around the classroom, forming a big "U", so that he can let the spider loose, and It would walk up to each and every student and stop, allowing you to look at it. We all got attatched to the spider. I didn't know why he would take class time out to do that.

He was teaching us that even though something may appear to be ugly, it has the same inner beings that you and I have, and can be enjoyed if you get past your pre-concieved notions of it just because of it's appearance, and thus, needs to also be taken care of and treated like you and I.

One time, he snuck the class outside, literally hiding behind the walls at every corner, so that we could all go outside and play flag football, along with him, who the entire class took joy in tackling untill he was too tired.

He wasn't teaching us anythng here, just fooling around. He also told us that the reason why he came to school with a red face with sunglass tanlines was because he was riding a harley trying to look cool witha bandana and sunglasses, and he got sun burn, some funny times.

the kids took him so seriously and liked him so much that he was able to teach an entire months worth of *** education without a single giggle. he even showed us footage of un-edited child birth, but he would hold up in front of the TV screen a yard stick with a giant blue dot attached to it whenever there was a graphic piece of footage, like child borth. that's the only thing the kids laughed at, was Mr. Trosell's humor with the blue dot.

There was an English teacher that I believe was new there, and she was next door, named Mrs Pelitcas. She was a very shy, sweet person (they both were). A rumor had begun throughout the school that the two had started dating. I remember on halloween that Mr. Trosell had his face painted, and he said that Mrs. Pelitcas did the fine artwork. Everyone was wondering why Mrs. Pelitcas was over Mr. Trosell's house painting his face at 6:30 in the morning. I think that's how the rumor started.

The last time I saw mr. Trosell was mabe 8-10 years ago. I was walking up the street a few years later and a car pulls up and It was Mr. trosell, saying "hey". he wanted to see how I was doing and everything, making sure I stayed out of trouble (I was never really in any, other than one time, and he was my diciplinarian), It was a cool little catch up talk with a former great teacher. it was the last time I saw him.

It's awefull what happened, and FOR IT TO HAPPEN TO THEM, OF ALL PEOPLE. Mr. Trosell was an extremely responsible person and was not impatient, but he did have coordination disabilities. But from what I know, he had been riding bikes for atleast 12 years and had never even had so much as a ticket. I highly doubt that him, knowing his own dissabilities, would make such a risk like that, he just didn't seem like that kind of person, and It's hard for me to take it when I hear people using him as an example of someone being an "*****". You don't know the people involved or the curcumstances.

It's alot higher of a possibility that he misjudged either the distance or the immediate future of of the atmosphere, and made a turn just a little too wide, and then tried to fix the situation using a little too quick of thinking, which is never good, especially with someone with motor skill problems.

he probably had the confidence to take her on the ride due to his two decade long clear record. It's a shame. Mrs. Pelitcas didn't deserve to die, especially in the way that she did, and Mr. trosell dosen't deserve to live with this nightmare of a burden.

Mr. Trosell, wherever you are, I'll be praying for you. Thank you for the inspiration that you gave to 100's of kids and for likely making them better people, and truely caring about us, I know that you made me a better person and I remember all of the life lessons that you tought us. God has a plan for you, and all though I don't know what it is, and that you have to suffer this horrific tragedy along with the family of Juliette Palitcas, I will continue to pray that he reveals it to you, and that you are able to walk the path that he has put forth. always remember that you have saved many more lives than any that you may be responsible for, and I wish that there were more teachers like you. You make the world a better place to live in, and If more people were like you, we'd be doing pretty darn good.

 
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We share a lot of opinions on this subject Hans, as as usual, you have phrased them most eloquently. Thanks for the reminder that it's about time for a re-read of Mr. Hough's books.

Many people have told me that motorcycling is dangerous. (Duh!)..... and that they knew a person who had a friend that died. I do agree that riding is risky, but those risks can be significantly lowered by riding sober, wearing ATGATT, keeping up with training and being willing to learn something new about riding, every single day.

For the very reasons you mentioned, I feel compelled to read accident analyses, to see what happened, how it might have been avoided and how I might prevent that happening to ME in the future. While it's never good to hear about a forum member biting the dust, there have been some wonderfully informative posts after the event, by riders who have humbled themselves by admitting their mistakes. Many times, it is only the Grace of God that has prevented my own mistakes leading to a get-off.

In the two particular cases you mention, I don't think you need a police report to tell you that Darwin was at work here. Both fatalities were victims of their own stupidity, arrogance, lack of patience, inexperience etc. However, that doesn't make the loss any less painful for their families and friends, the officials who had to scrape the mess off the road and the road users who witnessed the carnage. It also doesn't do anything good for the reputation of motorcycling in general. Anyone who was affected by either of those crashes, would find it difficult to regard motorcycling in a positive light.

Each time I ride, I'm aware that it may be my last ride or that I may get hurt today. My ever-present challenge is to use all the powers I posess, to outwit the attacks and reach my destination safely. When the day comes that I choose not to use all those powers, that's the day to quit riding.

Jill

 
In my opinion, this fixation on accidents is decidedly unhealthy.

Ignore the background noise, and concentrate on your own riding. There's dozens of these incidents, every day, and they all come down to this:

You can get killed on a motorcycle.

You can get killed quicker, if you're stupid.

If you're actually inquiring into accident reports of every 'stray cat story' that comes along, you're worrying too much. That's just bad karma. You don't want that stuff in your head. Work, instead, on having fun, and staying safe. If you feel you don't know enough to stay safe, do something about it. Like take a refresher riding course, or consider driving the car, instead.

 
I was thinking about someone the other day...
Mr. Trosell... ...You make the world a better place to live in, and If more people were like you, we'd be doing pretty darn good.
Wow, that was an awesome post. I usually don't read long posts but that was a beautiful story. I congratulate you for being able to put feelings into words like that. Hopefully your teacher can get over the tragedy in time.

 
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I was thinking about someone the other day...
Mr. Trosell... ...You make the world a better place to live in, and If more people were like you, we'd be doing pretty darn good.
Wow, that was an awesome post. I usually don't read long posts but that was a beautiful story. I congratulate you for being able to put feelings into words like that. Hopefully your teacher can get over the tragedy in time.
Thank you. I'm usually not that great when it comes to putting feelings into words, but hopefully, I did OK. I tried. The thing is, is that it's not doing him justice, he was one of those innocent kinds of guys, but just did things to try to make people happy, not to just goof around. He was always letting us know about the dangers of doing irresponsible things, which is why this accident dosen't make much sense.
He was like a second dad to the children, and didn't have a mean bone in his body, worldn't harm a fly, literally. He had baby pet snakes that were no bigger than the size of a large stringbeans, but unlike most people, size didn't matter to him, and when the baby snake died, he made sure to tell all of the other teachers aronnd him so that they could politely break the news to the other classes. That's what kind of person he was. He cared about things that other people wouldn't, and that went for big things aswell.

 
It seems like there have been a lot of motorcycle deaths in my neck of the woods over the past few months. So it was with more trepidation that I saw the following headline when I searched local news on the Web this morning:
BAY AREA


Could this have happened to you:


 






The California Highway Patrol has identified two men who died in separate motorcycle accidents on Bay Area roads Friday night.



 




Darrell Hagelberg, 44, of Martinez died at the scene of the 6 p.m. crash on Alhambra Valley Road east of Richmond.




 




Gary Robert Hale, 44, of Vallejo was pronounced dead at about 7:30 p.m. at Kaiser Permanente's Medical Center in Vallejo, an hour after he crashed on Lake Herman Road east of Vallejo.




 




Police say Hagelberg was traveling east on Alhambra Valley Road at approximately 80 mph on his 2007 Suzuki motorcycle when he ran into a car that had slowed down to make a left turn onto Pereira Road. The posted speed limit was 30 mph.




 




Hale was driving his 2001 Fast BTM motorcycle east on Lake Herman Road when he tried to pass a car on the right shoulder, the CHP said. He swerved as he pulled in front of the sedan and lost control of the motorcycle, falling with it and sliding across the road, where he hit a tree.


JB, methinks you are being overly cerebral concerning these two accidents and you're folding them into a mix of other types of collisions and crashes.


 


In the former incident (Note: not ACCIDENT!), the rider was travelling 2 2/3 times the posted spoed limit. In CA, doubling the speed limit is "Reckless Driving" and punishable by impounding the vehicle and possible loss of license. This rider was 10mph from tripling the posted speed limit. AND obviously far above his skill level, including his ability to identify an impending hazard and take the correct action to avoid.


 


In the latter incident (Again: Not ACCIDENT) the rider was riding too fast for traffic conditions, decided to pass on the right and over corrected. Again, speed and lack of training/ability to handle the situation.


 


This isn't the type of accident one investigates as research for hidden causes. These two incidents rest squarely on the shoulders of the individual riders and their lack of forethought, training and skill.


 


I agree with Jill that the real victims here are the witnesses, first responders, the emergency room workers/care givers/coroners and the families. Unfounded invincibility is a terrible curse! Someone's Mother, Father, siblings and friends will mourn these losses forever.


 
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You know I hear all the time, there are two types of riders, those who have been in accidents, and those who will be. I think this is a bunch of crap.

I see it as those who have made a mistake, and those who will. We are each in control of our actions and safety. If, a car turns left in front of me and I hit it, I am also at fault!!! I should have been aware enough to prevent the crash and had a escape route ready. If, I did not have a escape route, it was my mistake.

However, the "mistake" is unique to each of us. A couple years back I was at a stop light and somehow got my double-knotted hiking boot laced stuck on my foot peg. As the Nevada wind blew I fell right over in a zero mile per hour mistake. Over the years I have had a few mistakes, but I do my best to manage them. Many of the mistakes are easy to manage, such as not going 100mph in a 35mph zone, others are not so easy to manage. Sometimes the mistake is leaving needed gear at home, other times it involves picking a bike up off the ground due to a shoe lace.

Are we all destined to be in a crash? Nope, I don't think so. I do however this we are destined to make a mistake or two. With any luck we won't make the same mistake more then once and prevetn the big mistakes.

I do fairly well at managing my mistakes while out on the road riding. In the last 13 years I have not have a crash, and plan to keep it that way. I don't consider my encounters with the rabbits, coyotes, and other items as mistakes, as I planned for those with training and forethought. Yes, my bike needed a item or two replaced, but it was not a mistake on my part to hit the animal straight on.

 
80 in a 30
Passing on the right

Darwin wins. If they were even close to obaying the laws of the road they would not have crashed. IMO No, I would not have been involved in either of those accedents since I don't do 50 over the limit (off the freeway that is :rolleyes: ) and I don't pass on the shoulder.

Ohh, and yea, trees DO hurt :dribble:
+1 - once again, excessive speed and foolish acts take their toll.

 
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