Unfreakingbelievable!!!!

[Rogue]

... but there's WAY WAY more to the story...

There usually is but I wish we could punish people as they deserve, they will probably get 6 months and a fine.

 

[OrangevaleFJR]

... but there's WAY WAY more to the story...

There usually is but I wish we could punish people as they deserve, they will probably get 6 months and a fine.

I say lock em up forever and donate their land to me.

 

[exskibum]

Egos and liens and attorneys.

Jeeze, this sounds more and more serious all the time. And NO, I'm not going to try to make a case on facts I don't know, but a few observations. Pretty much no matter what the rider(s) had done in the past, it is likely to be irrelevant to the defense of the upcoming civil and criminal proceedings. In limited circumstances, provocation is relevant. (E.g., some kinds of contemporaneous provocation are relevant to the state of mind of a defendant charged with murder and may reduce the charge to manslaughter; similarly, a victim's threatening conduct is relevant to a claim of self defense.) But so far, on the reported facts (plus Highlander's clues), that doesn't sound likely here.

OTOH, I can imagine how prior provocations MIGHT be relevant to the prosecution. "Egos and liens and attorneys" portends an element of previous unhappy relations, which might imply retaliation, which is relevant to premeditation and intent. And . . . that's the kind of thing that could cause a D.A. to add a charge of attempted murder when the whole story comes to light during the investigation. (Again, I'm just speculating -- I DO NOT know the details of what Highlander is referring to.)

Sounds like we're going to be hearing more about this one. I'm going to bet that no matter what the victim and intended victims may have done, though, this is NOT going to be getting better for the ******** who decided that a rope, cable or rebar was the way to resolve their issues. They've pretty much ****** up the rest of their lives.

 

[donaldb]

:assassin: Unbelieveable - I hope they are prosecuted with an applicable penality - but VERY unlikely in good ole liberal California (especially nor-cal). I hope the pursues civil damages against them as well. Jerk-offs!

I would expect medals to be awarded to the perpetrators by the 9th Circuit Court in good ole' Kalifornia, or is it Mexifornia...and a thorough tongue lashing to be administered to the motorcycle riders for having the nerve to 'disturb' their neighbors environment... :angry2:

And a sincere "**** YOU" to you two ignoramuses.

....BTW, getting any relief from the bankruptcy court from a judgment based upon an intentional tort is almost impossible.

Liability insurance does not cover you for your intentional-criminal acts which result in any personal injury, since insurance is out the window, all that is left is personal assets. These idiots dont appear to me to be the type w/much if any personal assets of any value. I hope your right and your state's criminal court system really puts these people away. Both our criminal and civil court system nationwide is suffering from terminal cancer. It'll all come tumbling down in the future, I only hope I'm not here when it happens. That is where we all have to have faith in our country's youth, to find a way to make it work, and that my friends where it gets really scary. Too many people, wanting what you got, and doing anything to obtain it w/out concern for you, nor fear of the law or consequences, an absolute breakdown of society--so, you people be the judge----am i pessimist or an optimist?

 

[MikeYork5]

:assassin: Unbelieveable - I hope they are prosecuted with an applicable penality - but VERY unlikely in good ole liberal California (especially nor-cal). I hope the pursues civil damages against them as well. Jerk-offs!

I would expect medals to be awarded to the perpetrators by the 9th Circuit Court in good ole' Kalifornia, or is it Mexifornia...and a thorough tongue lashing to be administered to the motorcycle riders for having the nerve to 'disturb' their neighbors environment... :angry2:

And a sincere "**** YOU" to you two ignoramuses.

Warchild posted this right after it happened, and it IS seriously ****** up. In my native state, you can expect this to be vigorously prosecuted by either the Santa Clara County or Santa Cruz County District Attorney's office (this is right near the border of the two counties). I wouldn't expect the slightest leniency for these ********. And unlike you two, I do know what I'm talking about -- I graduated from law school

and used to practice there. In fact, my old boss, an extremely competent personal injury attorney, lives a couple miles from the described neighborhood. As to the civil case, that is a BAD place to be a defendant in that type of case. Punitive damages under Civil Code section 3294 appear to be almost a slam dunk on those facts, and juries there are anything but sympathetic to that sort of ****. Before that happens, though, I'd expect these fuckers to live for a while in state prison. In the civil case, expect a California jury to award compensatory and punitive damages that will likely put these ******** in the poor house once they return from public housing. BTW, getting any relief from the bankruptcy court from a judgment based upon an intentional tort is almost impossible.

Well you certainly have my 'respect' because you graduated from law school (I also attended for a couple of semesters as well but couldn't see spending the next 6 years {a career} in that environment). I'm glad you are part of the profession though, as there is certainly a shortage of honorable practicioners in our society. If I've heard it said once I've heard it said a thousand times, 'what this country needs is more lawyers'. The 'jury' is out on the subject of you knowing what you're talking about - because you're a lawyer certainly doesn't qualify you in that area. Although you certainly have a refined vocabularly and impressive control of the english language with the '**** You' and all. You would expect these '********' to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law huh? Would that be like OJ was maybe? And as for punitive (civil) damages/penalities that will put them in the poor house, will that be again kind of like OJ maybe? Like you say, collecting anything from a judgement is generally an exercise in futility. Although I appreciated YOUR evaluation of the case, lets see how it washes out. And like was mentioned earlier - we (us native Californians) have the great 9th Circuit Court of Appeals to contend with - and we all know they sure aren't liberal, are they? I would hope and assume it would be decided as you predict, but I wouldn't surprised if the verdict was overly sympathic to the defendants (Lord knows what kind of a story they will come up with). Like is said above, there is (always) way more to the story, we'll see. Keep us posted though - happy lawyering!

 

[exskibum]

:assassin: Unbelieveable - I hope they are prosecuted with an applicable penality - but VERY unlikely in good ole liberal California (especially nor-cal). I hope the pursues civil damages against them as well. Jerk-offs!

I would expect medals to be awarded to the perpetrators by the 9th Circuit Court in good ole' Kalifornia, or is it Mexifornia...and a thorough tongue lashing to be administered to the motorcycle riders for having the nerve to 'disturb' their neighbors environment... :angry2:

And a sincere "**** YOU" to you two ignoramuses.

Warchild posted this right after it happened, and it IS seriously ****** up. In my native state, you can expect this to be vigorously prosecuted by either the Santa Clara County or Santa Cruz County District Attorney's office (this is right near the border of the two counties). I wouldn't expect the slightest leniency for these ********. And unlike you two, I do know what I'm talking about -- I graduated from law school

and used to practice there. In fact, my old boss, an extremely competent personal injury attorney, lives a couple miles from the described neighborhood. As to the civil case, that is a BAD place to be a defendant in that type of case. Punitive damages under Civil Code section 3294 appear to be almost a slam dunk on those facts, and juries there are anything but sympathetic to that sort of ****. Before that happens, though, I'd expect these fuckers to live for a while in state prison. In the civil case, expect a California jury to award compensatory and punitive damages that will likely put these ******** in the poor house once they return from public housing. BTW, getting any relief from the bankruptcy court from a judgment based upon an intentional tort is almost impossible.

Well you certainly have my 'respect' because you graduated from law school (I also attended for a couple of semesters as well but couldn't see spending the next 6 years {a career} in that environment). I'm glad you are part of the profession though, as there is certainly a shortage of honorable practicioners in our society. If I've heard it said once I've heard it said a thousand times, 'what this country needs is more lawyers'. The 'jury' is out on the subject of you knowing what you're talking about - because you're a lawyer certainly doesn't qualify you in that area. Although you certainly have a refined vocabularly and impressive control of the english language with the '**** You' and all. You would expect these '********' to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law huh? Would that be like OJ was maybe? And as for punitive (civil) damages/penalities that will put them in the poor house, will that be again kind of like OJ maybe? Like you say, collecting anything from a judgement is generally an exercise in futility. Although I appreciated YOUR evaluation of the case, lets see how it washes out. And like was mentioned earlier - we (us native Californians) have the great 9th Circuit Court of Appeals to contend with - and we all know they sure aren't liberal, are they? I would hope and assume it would be decided as you predict, but I wouldn't surprised if the verdict was overly sympathic to the defendants (Lord knows what kind of a story they will come up with). Like is said above, there is (always) way more to the story, we'll see. Keep us posted though - happy lawyering!

Whatever, Mike. I was a journeyman in two construction trades before I put myself through law school, and began my working career picking oranges with Braceros at age 13. Sorry if I am able to move in more than one world -- my mistake for having failed to use the more erudite set of language skills that someone of your obvious sophistication expects.

Nevertheless, I'll defer to your implicitly greater understanding of the real world. That, of course, was apparent in the fact based analysis you posed in each of your posts in this thread. Speaking of which, I'm surprised that before disdaining further attendance at law school on what you imply are superior moral grounds, you didn't pick up an understanding of the difference between state and federal court jurisdictions. Perhaps you could enlighten the rest of us about why you think the Ninth Circuit might ever have any involvement in a case such as this, or even how you think any of their opinions might provide relevant precedent.

All you've shown me here is a lack of understanding (notwithstanding whatever time you claim to have spent learning legal principles) and a bias you feel a need to demonstrate without any reference to facts. BTW, there are very good people and very despicable people to be found in all businesses and professions. That, of course, is something that your bias apparently precludes you from understanding as you paint those to whom you choose to feel superior with a broad and negative brush.

 

[Ignacio]

This endless quote cycle is a waste of bandwidth, server storage space, database queries, and turned into a flamefest.

You're done. Move along.