VW busted by a bunch of dumb banjo playin' hillbillies
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Powerman
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That's cool, but I don't think Arvind Thiruvengadam came from back in the Hollar.
spklbuk
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How about his native west virginian boss who taught him everything he knows? Arvind was one cog in a team of emmissions engineers hotdog. https://wvutoday.wvu.edu/n/2016/04/21/wvu-s-dan-carder-among-time-s-100-most-influential-people-in-the-world
Team members names... https://wvpublic.org/post/wvu-researchers-help-bust-volkswagen-pollution-violations not counting grad students
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extrememarine
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This hits home for me - we have two Jetta TDI's in the driveway. They (VW) got caught, plain and simple. Latest opinions on the settlement puts (more) cash in my pocket (to the tune of $5100 to $10,000) as well as trade-in allowance at pre-scandle values. It's a win / win for me, except the fact that I might not be able to replace my 2010 TDI with another TDI powered car.
High five to the WV science dudes!!
High five to the WV science dudes!!
FJR-Pilot
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I know my title would not be quite as catchy as your title ... but my title would say: "VW busted by a group of scientists at West Virginia University while Conducting Diesel Engine Emissions Research"
Gmann
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VW fined $15.3 billion in U.S. today for Dieselgate.....
https://business.financialpost.com/news/transportation/volkswagen-settles-emissions-cheating-cases-in-u-s-for-15-3-billion
https://business.financialpost.com/news/transportation/volkswagen-settles-emissions-cheating-cases-in-u-s-for-15-3-billion
Latest reports saying the owner comp from VW is only going to be $1000 per car. Sorry Wayne, but at least you still have a couple of great little cars. I'd just plan on keeping them since there is nothing else out there like them. Plus they are great conversation pieces...
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The TDI was on my short list when replacing my wife's 2003 Subaru WRX. Got her an Impreza Limited Sport (normally aspirated) instead. Not as good a MPG as the TDI but better than the WRX and regular instead of premium gas. When the news hit a couple of months later, I was glad I went the way I did.
NTXFJR
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And in the mean time, you're enjoying around 45 mpg's, great technology in those engines
rushes
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I'd never thought about them before, but now, I'm for some reason wanting one....Latest reports saying the owner comp from VW is only going to be $1000 per car. Sorry Wayne, but at least you still have a couple of great little cars. I'd just plan on keeping them since there is nothing else out there like them. Plus they are great conversation pieces...
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eflyguy
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Here's my opinion, and I don't own any VW vehicles..
The US EPA has crippled the ability for us to utilize efficient internal combustion engines that are commonplace elsewhere. VW may have intentionally rigged their vehicles in order to increase their market share, but in reality, we're still better off for it. It's a shame this litigious society seeks restitution for no valid reason.
Last two trips to UK (Oct and Dec '15), the two petrol (gas) vehicles I rented averaged 72 and 104 mpg (UK Gal) over around 800 miles.
The US EPA has crippled the ability for us to utilize efficient internal combustion engines that are commonplace elsewhere. VW may have intentionally rigged their vehicles in order to increase their market share, but in reality, we're still better off for it. It's a shame this litigious society seeks restitution for no valid reason.
Last two trips to UK (Oct and Dec '15), the two petrol (gas) vehicles I rented averaged 72 and 104 mpg (UK Gal) over around 800 miles.
airboss
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Almost pulled the trigger on a TDI.
The lure of the Turbo Bug proved to strong.
Now I'm glad it did.
The lure of the Turbo Bug proved to strong.
Now I'm glad it did.
NTXFJR
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Maybe I'm looking at it wrong, but whatever criteria our govt set up for emissions standards, I find it hard to believe that a VW TDI getting 45+ mpg, with or without epa compliance, would be dumping more harmful stuff into the air than a car that gets less mpg than that, whatever fuel it uses? We all breathe the same air as other countries eventually, what gives?
Denver_FJR
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What car and engine was that? Guessing it wasn't the typical >3.0L 5 passenger car sold in the US.
Even considering the higher miles/gallon, diesel emissions are considerably worse than gasoline.
Powerman
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Big trucks have a much bigger effect.
Emission regs are funny.
It's like I tune a new low NOx boiler to meet emissions.
I first tune for CO which is bad stuff, and I can get 0 ppm.
A 30 ppm NOx boiler may have 40 ppm and I sometimes have to make 100 ppm of CO to make 30 ppm of NOx.
WTF?
Emission regs are funny.
It's like I tune a new low NOx boiler to meet emissions.
I first tune for CO which is bad stuff, and I can get 0 ppm.
A 30 ppm NOx boiler may have 40 ppm and I sometimes have to make 100 ppm of CO to make 30 ppm of NOx.
WTF?
extrememarine
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Fred - latest report that I read stated $5100 to $10,000 (NYTimes) plus buy back at pre-scandal values (I assume in the form of a trade in). It's all still speculation, but the VW Diesel Emisions site was updated with a timeline that owners can expect the settlement info to be mailed to us. The letter that we (owners) get will have the details. VW has already given every TDI owner $1000 ($500 on a pre-paid Visa card and $500 on a dealer only card) back in December 2015.
I've had this car since February 2014; it had 39k miles on it when I got it, and it has 140k on it now. This scandal is a double edged sword for me - I absolutely love the car for how it performs today; I've tracked the MPG using the Fuelly.com site since I got the car, and right now my average for the 100k miles I've driven it is sitting at 40.3mpg - that includes the drips where I've towed a 6x8' trailer with one or two motorcycles and camping gear, commuting in Detroit stop-n-go traffic 5 days a week and it being the main transportation on weekends. It's fun to drive, handles well, is roomy, and gets the mileage numbers even with me driving it like my hair is on fire. But - I'm sitting in a car with 140k miles on it, my current job requires a good bit of driving and I may not be able to pass up on the opportunity to move into a new VW with potentially a minimal impact to my wallet.
Any "fix" vw has for the emissions side will most certainly have a negative impact on MPG and performance - so that's not an option I'd be interested in. Since I am in a non-emissions testing state / area (no emissions test required for registration renewal), I assume that I could keep the car as it is.
The other issue right now is that VW is not selling anything with a TDI in it, so anyone choosing to stay with VW would be forced to go with one of the gasser option they have in the line up.
I'm leaning towards a Golf GTI 4 door with manual trans right now, but a lot could change between now and when the VW letter arrives this fall...
I've had this car since February 2014; it had 39k miles on it when I got it, and it has 140k on it now. This scandal is a double edged sword for me - I absolutely love the car for how it performs today; I've tracked the MPG using the Fuelly.com site since I got the car, and right now my average for the 100k miles I've driven it is sitting at 40.3mpg - that includes the drips where I've towed a 6x8' trailer with one or two motorcycles and camping gear, commuting in Detroit stop-n-go traffic 5 days a week and it being the main transportation on weekends. It's fun to drive, handles well, is roomy, and gets the mileage numbers even with me driving it like my hair is on fire. But - I'm sitting in a car with 140k miles on it, my current job requires a good bit of driving and I may not be able to pass up on the opportunity to move into a new VW with potentially a minimal impact to my wallet.
Any "fix" vw has for the emissions side will most certainly have a negative impact on MPG and performance - so that's not an option I'd be interested in. Since I am in a non-emissions testing state / area (no emissions test required for registration renewal), I assume that I could keep the car as it is.
The other issue right now is that VW is not selling anything with a TDI in it, so anyone choosing to stay with VW would be forced to go with one of the gasser option they have in the line up.
I'm leaning towards a Golf GTI 4 door with manual trans right now, but a lot could change between now and when the VW letter arrives this fall...
Latest reports saying the owner comp from VW is only going to be $1000 per car. Sorry Wayne, but at least you still have a couple of great little cars. I'd just plan on keeping them since there is nothing else out there like them. Plus they are great conversation pieces...
extrememarine
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It is a great set up. Last year, I borrowed my brothers pickup for a couple of days and he had my Jetta. He drives 2 land secondary roads to / from work and over a 4 day period got 53mpg average out of it. He couldn't believe it, but I calculated it after and nearly matched what the trip computer was displaying.
Klubis
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Does anybody realize that VW backwards is WV? I'm just asking. Motorcycle.
eflyguy
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Correct. Don't know specifically but the 72 was a 1.6l, forget make but French I think, and the 104 was a 3-cylinder SEAT.
Both were 5-seaters, and hauled me and my parents around the winding countryside of West Wales without issue.
Several years back I had a Ford Fusion-equivalent, that got 60+ on Diesel.
