WFO 2006

[GalaxyBlue]

I posted this in the WFO forum, But i thought i should post it here too!

I have access to a 4 bike trailer that i can pull with my new Titan Crew Cab. I think Radman is thinking about it, That leaves 2 open spots.

I think that if 4 of us go in on doing this, The cost of fuel ect. will be fairly cheap.

I live in Springfield,MO and could pick up somone on the way or they can meet in Springfield.

Just a thought!

Adam

 

[GalaxyBlue]

I guess this is a bad idea??

 

[FJRocket]

I think you guys are just big pussies. Why would you want to miss ALL that beautiful riding?

When it gets closer to the date (isn't that 2 years from now?) you'll probably get more hits on it.

Of course by the time WFO6 comes along, gas may be $5 a gallon here in the USofA.

 

[radman]

Pussy eh? I may be going in a wheelchair at the rate things are going. The heat at CFO affected me more than I thought, in ways I hadn't imagined. Both feet have open sores that aren't healing (diabetic for 16 years now). They are talking a possible amputation of my right foot if things don't improve. So do you mind terribly if I trailer just this once? And does anyone know of anyone who does custom work, such as a linked brake system that would eliminate having to use the right footbrake? I know you were kidding FJR, but this is my reality.

 

[exskibum]

And does anyone know of anyone who does custom work, such as a linked brake system that would eliminate having to use the right footbrake?

Don't know exactly who to point you to, Rad, but here's a clue that you might follow to some success. Motorcycle racer Mick Doohan fused his ankle in a 1992 crash and is known for having set up a system on his handlebar for operating the rear brake. Perhaps that might lead you to someone who either did his fabrication or knows someone who can -- or to a tech drawing you could fab a similar system from. Here's a couple links and you can find more with a google search:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mick_Doohan

https://bikes.grandprix.com.au/news_feature...oohan_interview

 

[Windjammer]

I think you guys are just big pussies.  Why would you want to miss ALL that beautiful riding?

Sorry bro, not much beauty in riding through a lot of the states between the midwest and Reno. Depending on the chosen route you can select from a thousand miles of corn or tumbleweeds, take yer pick. Woo-hoo.
Unfortunately, my WFO plans are completely fucked over at the moment, due to some family plans being bumped into that same week. Sonofabitch, but there's nothing I can do about it so I have to accept it. But if I was able to attend, the trailer idea would be VERY attractive, much as I hate trailering a bike.

Rad, I'm sure you're aware of the linked brakes on some of the Hondas. Something similar could be grafted to the FJR, or perhaps one could use a proportioning valve of some sort along with custom brake lines. For now, let's hope that foot can stay attached. I have a couple of close friends who are diabetic, so I have an idea of the challenges you face in that regard. Hang in there bro.

 

[exskibum]

Rad, I'm sure you're aware of the linked brakes on some of the Hondas. Something similar could be grafted to the FJR, or perhaps one could use a proportioning valve of some sort along with custom brake lines.

I've got linked brakes on the Blackbird, but they're three pistons per caliper with a master (or slave) cylinder in the middle that further apportions the relative braking force between front and rear. If I understand it correctly, the front lever operates the two outside pistons front and rear, while the rear pedal operates the inner piston front and rear. I don't know about other Hondas, but the XX system works pretty seamlessly -- however, that system hardly seems like something easy to replicate. Some guys delink them, so I know some mods are done, and if he wasn't out making his ferrous butt sore right now, I'd bet that Warchild would be one of the best sources for info on that sort of thing.

 

[GalaxyBlue]

Rad, I'm sure you're aware of the linked brakes on some of the Hondas. Something similar could be grafted to the FJR, or perhaps one could use a proportioning valve of some sort along with custom brake lines.

I've got linked brakes on the Blackbird, but they're three pistons per caliper with a master (or slave) cylinder in the middle that further apportions the relative braking force between front and rear. If I understand it correctly, the front lever operates the two outside pistons front and rear, while the rear pedal operates the inner piston front and rear. I don't know about other Hondas, but the XX system works pretty seamlessly -- however, that system hardly seems like something easy to replicate. Some guys delink them, so I know some mods are done, and if he wasn't out making his ferrous butt sore right now, I'd bet that Warchild would be one of the best sources for info on that sort of thing.

I think the linked brakes honda uses is Applied only from the back brake. I had a VTX 1800 and thats the way is was on there.

@WindJammer, If your plans change, Let me know... The first 3 people who confirm get the spots.

Adam

 

[exskibum]

I think the linked brakes honda uses is Applied only from the back brake. I had a VTX 1800 and thats the way is was on there.

Not on the Bird. Just checked the service manual to verify components, too. In addition to the usual hydraulic braking components like the front and rear master cylinders, it has a proportioning control valve, a secondary front master cylinder and a delay valve -- how's that for complicated?

Good news appears to be that there's more than one linked Honda system as a model for whatever rad may want to fashion. Bad news is that it looks like the only one you and I have identified so far that links the back brake to the front lever is the XX's complex system that also has the unique twist of 3 pistons per caliper -- and you KNOW that was probably engineered to address the braking demands unique to the weight and geometry of the XX. The way we're going, we're gonna be taking rad well past master mechanic and into motorcycle engineer territory by the time he's done.

 

[Thug]

Pussy eh? I may be going in a wheelchair at the rate things are going. The heat at CFO affected me more than I thought, in ways I hadn't imagined. Both feet have open sores that aren't healing (diabetic for 16 years now). They are talking a possible amputation of my right foot if things don't improve. So do you mind terribly if I trailer just this once? And does anyone know of anyone who does custom work, such as a linked brake system that would eliminate having to use the right footbrake? I know you were kidding FJR, but this is my reality.

Sorry to hear your plight Rad diabetes is a prick of a thing not that I have to tell you. Re the right brake thing though Mick Dooan ALA world bike champ for 5 years etc, when he fucked his leg up in a fall he had a small brake lever placed on the left hand side near the clutch lever and it worked very well. In fact when his leg improved he decided to keep the modified brake because he liked it so much. Or another alternative is don't use the rear brake which with the ABS I find myself using less and less of.

 

[FJRocket]

Yeah, of course I was just kidding. Just yanking the chain, and waiting to get blasted. And hoping you guys were talking about WFO5 in '06, not WFO6 in '07. Believe me, I'd consider doing the same thing. I have a super ramp to get my bike up in my truck and would consider hauling it out. In fact I was going to do just that if I ever went out to Sturgis with a Harley.

Rad, I certainly hope you don't end up loosing your foot, or have any of the other ravaging problems that eat you up with diabetes. I can relate to your dilemma, my next older brother died from complications of diabetes a few years ago. He was blind, on dialysis, and had no sensation in his extremeties, and well and the dreaded foot/ankle sores that would not heal.

How is the sensation in your legs/feet now? If it's as bad as my brother's, I would think that you are braking by feeling in your leg, not your foot, anyway. Where I'm going is that if you have a prosthesis, you can perhaps adapt to braking by leg pressure instead of toe/ball of foot pressure?

You would think that it would not be that hard to operate an ABS bike's front AND rear brakes from a single hand brake. It's all hydraulic, no? Cars do it all the time, right? So why not couple both brakes to the single hand lever. I'm no engineer, but I wouldn't think it would be THAT hard to link the system to just one lever.

 

[radman]

You would think that it would not be that hard to operate an ABS bike's front AND rear brakes from a single hand brake. It's all hydraulic, no? Cars do it all the time, right? So why not couple both brakes to the single hand lever. I'm no engineer, but I wouldn't think it would be THAT hard to link the system to just one lever.

Thats what I'm thinking. Hopefully, it won't come to that, at least not yet. But the writing is on the wall, if not now, not that far off. I have good feeling, actually doing quite well with it all, it's just that shit won't heal. Hence my not wanting to do anything to aggravate it. All this from what is an especially virulent case of athletes foot, if you can belive that. Heat and I were never friendly, now, we're on even worse terms....

 

[FJRocket]

Heat and I were never friendly, now, we're on even worse terms....

That's why I ride in flip flops instead of those hermetically sealed riding boots you all think so highly of...

Yeah, those fungal infections are hard enough to get rid of if you're healthy. My brother was constantly fighting everything with his feet and ankles. His neuropathy was so bad that he cut himself a couple times, and if his wife wouldn't have noticed, he'd have gotten in serious trouble real fast. Not just infection, but bleed to death.

When I had my Road King, my buddy asked me to go with him and his wife to Sturgis. I said that I would either trailer the RK out there or ride the Feejer. He just scowled at me. Riding the Feejer out there would not be that bad, but the RK would be work. Mostly because of the wind. It road very nicely, but the wind blast was just nasty. That bike sat for a long time, then I sold it. Don't miss it too much, either.

So my buddy ended up riding out there with out me. I think he said it was about 40 degrees and had a cross wind of about 30 mph most of the way west. Darn, sorry I missed it. He said he'd never go back. He doesn't like crowds. Well, duh!

I met a guy who is a pilot. He lives about 60 miles from me. A buddy of his rides and also is an over the road driver with his own rig. Every year they fill the guy's tractor trailer with bikes and he hauls them out (for a contribution) to Strugis. Most of the other guys drive or fly out, then ride when they get there. That sounded pretty good to me. They told me they'd put me on the waiting list. That was the end of that.

 

[fastersilverfjr]

Galaxy...I would be interested, but the WFO5 is just too far out for me to plan right now. Maybe end of 2005/beginning of 2006, I can plan. I am located in Omaha, so we could do a meet somewhere along the MO/KS border or something.

Radman...my cousin had both legs blown off in Vietnam. My dad (a Yamaha dealer) rigged his bikes to be ridden somehow. My dad is pure genius when it comes to that stuff. If you are serious, send me a PM or email and I will talk to my dad about it and get you two connected. He is in Manitowoc, WI (near Green Bay)...so not too far from you.

 

[GalaxyBlue]

Galaxy...I would be interested, but the WFO5 is just too far out for me to plan right now. Maybe end of 2005/beginning of 2006, I can plan. I am located in Omaha, so we could do a meet somewhere along the MO/KS border or something.

No problem, I understand that it's still 11 months out, Just trying to get a jump on it...Ya know..

I cant wait! This sounds like the event of a lifetime! :clap: :clap: :clap:

 

[LGizmo]

I might be interested in joining up with you guys if you don't fill the trailer although for me it would just be a one way trip as I plan the WFO to be included in a 3-4 week trip out west. Meeting you guys in around the MO/KS area would surely save me a couple days ride out to Reno and wear on the tires...leaving more time and tread for California Utah Colorado and everywhere in between for the ride home.