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It's called "Design For Serviceability" and is usually just part of the long list of items that are "critical to design quality" that a design engineer is supposed to work towards. But that's somewhere else, in a place usually known as Utopia. In the real world that we all live in, DFS cost $ just like any other design "features", which means that quite often in the rush to get a particular design to market on time and on budget, while retaining as many sexy features as possible, DFS often goes in the CFC. ;)

It could be worse. You could be conscientiously trying to replace the air filter on a Triumph Trophy. <_<

To do that regularly scheduled maintenance item requires:

Remove seat

Remove rear luggage rack

Remove entire rear cowling

Remove fuel tank

Remove carburetors

Pull out air filter-box assembly

Replace the entire air filter-box assembly (you can't just get the filter inside, it comes only as an air-box assembly)

...and of course, "Reassembly procedure is the reverse of disassembly" Grab your spanners!

Fred,

There are good companies that still do a total design job - function, production and maintenance/serviceability. But they are becoming rarer. That's really too bad because it definitely is an issue of "pay me now or pay me later". Companies that assiduously do "life cycle planning" almost always wind up being less expensive to deal with, in the long run.

Your Triumph air cleaner process is almost identical to replacing the air filter element on a BMW K1200LT. On the BMW, once you get to the filter element holder, it's a one minute deal to unscrew four screws, take out the old element, drop in the new and replace the screws. Of course, it's two hours to get in and another two to get back out. The entire top of the bike has to be taken apart and the gas tank removed. As a little extra award, the gas tank quick disconnects were made out of some crappy plastic material and you were guaranteed to break one or more every other time you touched them. Most of us spent time and money replacing them with metal QD available on the open market.

Dan

 
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MsDcarver changes kry8s bulbs for me. Small hands and mechanical ability. Easy-Peasy. What's the trouble SacMike, can't find a small handed gurl friend?

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It could be worse. You could be conscientiously trying to replace the air filter on a Triumph Trophy. <_<

To do that regularly scheduled maintenance item requires:

Remove seat

Remove rear luggage rack

Remove entire rear cowling

Remove fuel tank

Remove carburetors

Pull out air filter-box assembly

Replace the entire air filter-box assembly (you can't just get the filter inside, it comes only as an air-box assembly)

...and of course, "Reassembly procedure is the reverse of disassembly" Grab your spanners!
Damn, don't you know THAT'S a PITA! Seems a number of us have a Trophy for a second bike. I couldn't believe how hard a job that was to do.

Are the headlight bulbs easier to change on a Gen II than a Gen I?

 
Gen IIs are tighter than Gen I bikes under the nose cowl. I've been told even that 2004 and 05 are tighter than 03 bikes. Who cares, I have an '03! And I've changed the bulbs, had no trouble, and I have big hands. As evidenced by my big . . . . . . gloves.

 
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Gen IIs are tighter than Gen I bikes under the nose cowl. I've been told even that 2004 and 05 are tighter than 03 bikes.
Well, no... having been deep inside the nose of all model year Gen I's, and a 2006 Gen II, the Gen I's are pretty much all the same, and have a significant amount of additional room to work in compared to the Gen II's.

Replacing the H4's on the Gen I bikes just takes patience, but IMO it's really not all *that* bad... though the right one is a pinch more difficult to access than the left one.

 
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It's called "Design For Serviceability" and is usually just part of the long list of items that are "critical to design quality" that a design engineer is supposed to work towards. But that's somewhere else, in a place usually known as Utopia. In the real world that we all live in, DFS cost $ just like any other design "features", which means that quite often in the rush to get a particular design to market on time and on budget, while retaining as many sexy features as possible, DFS often goes in the CFC. ;)
Fred,

There are good companies that still do a total design job - function, production and maintenance/serviceability. But they are becoming rarer. That's really too bad because it definitely is an issue of "pay me now or pay me later". Companies that assiduously do "life cycle planning" almost always wind up being less expensive to deal with, in the long run.

Dan
It could be, even, worse:

Maybe they're not intended to be repaired/serviced...? :unsure:

(from the 'net)"The National Automobile Dealers Association (NADA) has tracked numbers for vehicles being "scrapped" for 10 years, with scrappage the last two years running at 80% of new car sales."

When GM (Global Menace) was going through bankruptcy, recently, a senior exec. was on TV saying (something-like): "In order to succeed in the auto industry we've got to increase the 'crush rate' (scrappage) from about 20 million vehicles to 30 million."

They don't want them to last... :(

 
I have changed them several times now, but this last time while installing the HID conversions on my '06, I had the forks removed from the bike. Having them out of the way helped a lot, and changing the bulbs was a lot easier than dealing with all the fooking wires that HID's come with.

Before i made the jump to HID's I had to change a bulb in the middle of the Great Lakes Gold ride. Cost me about 15-20 minutes.

 
Maybe, but I'd have to sell this one, and who'd buy an FJR with only ONE HEADLIGHT? ... [/img]
Me, apparently. When I bought my '04 3 years ago, the right one was out. Stopped to get a bulb and the parts guy gave me two. Ahhh... OK. Not long after I understood why, as the left one then went out about 2 weeks later.

So, here I am 3 years later and now the left one is out. I'll be replacing it tonight and carrying the other bulb I bought in my tank bag.

Oh, and if you think changing a headlight bulb is a PITA, wait'll you swap out your CCT.

 
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Where's the Waaaaaaambulance?

Left is a 2 minute dealio. Right is bit tougher and will take me 5-10 minutes. No panels have to be removed.
That's cause you have hands like a little girl.
johnny80s: You would think that as much as SkooterG jerks off, that his hands would be bigger!!! jes' sayin'

 
Degenerates is the term I prefer, and that applies to both the progression of the thread and its participants..
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