What's your company policy regarding night shift pay

[ponyfool]

I have heard for years about night shift officers getting the shaft for having to work an 11 hour day and only getting compensated for 10 hours. Our current policy is you get paid your 10 hours at spring forward, and fall back, regardless of whether or not it is a 9 hour shift or an 11 hour shift.

I would like to hear what other company policies are for night crews that have to work both.

I think there are several viable options available that are more fair than what we have now:

- Pay folks for 9 hours and have them burn an hour of vacation in the spring, and get 10 hours pay and an hour of overtime in the fall.

- Make the spring folks work a full 10 hours and pay the fall folks an hour of OT.

- Make the spring folks work a full 10 hours and also make the fall folks start an hour later to have them only work 10 hours.

 

[Walden]

Our policy is one hour of OT to be applied for anyone that is on at 2 am.

 

[1FJR]

Our department is small enough that there is a good chance that the same people will be on night shift both in the spring and fall. We pay them overtime in the fall and require them to work until 4am in the spring so that they get their 10 hours (5pm-0300).

 

[vol210]

Employees get the benefit at both times at my place of employment. Get paid in the spring for an hour not worked and then get paid extra hour of OT in the fall. Just kinda a bene for the cruddy shift

 

[OGRE]

Employees get the benefit at both times at my place of employment. Get paid in the spring for an hour not worked and then get paid extra hour of OT in the fall. Just kinda a bene for the cruddy shift

+ 1 works the same way at my department

 

[bramfrank]

This doesn't impact on me, but I figure an outsider's perspective might be useful

IMHO it doesn't matter whether you change the clock or not . . . you work 10 hours you get paid 10 hours.

I suppose it MIGHT make sense to pay based on clock times, but you can get screwed if you et transfered mind you, you can also get the benefit - depends on when you change positions or shifts.

 

[ponyfool]

This doesn't impact on me, but I figure an outsider's perspective might be useful
IMHO it doesn't matter whether you change the clock or not . . . you work 10 hours you get paid 10 hours.

I suppose it MIGHT make sense to pay based on clock times, but you can get screwed if you et transfered mind you, you can also get the benefit - depends on when you change positions or shifts.

I agree. The problem is, my employer has officers work 9 hours in the spring and 11 hours in the fall. Their "logic" is that you get a break in the spring and eat it in the fall. But I don't think it's a fair system and now that I'm in a position to change it, I am exploring other people's policies.

 

[bramfrank]

My point - in the spring, the early shift works an extra hour and gets 1 hour of overtme.

In the fall the reverse is true - I suppose that some people will stilll 'be screwed' in the sense that they may work two short shhifts if they transfer.

But in essence you get paid for the work you do .

 

[Wicked Webby]

I have heard for years about night shift officers getting the shaft for having to work an 11 hour day and only getting compensated for 10 hours. Our current policy is you get paid your 10 hours at spring forward, and fall back, regardless of whether or not it is a 9 hour shift or an 11 hour shift.
I would like to hear what other company policies are for night crews that have to work both.

I think there are several viable options available that are more fair than what we have now:

- Pay folks for 9 hours and have them burn an hour of vacation in the spring, and get 10 hours pay and an hour of overtime in the fall.

- Make the spring folks work a full 10 hours and pay the fall folks an hour of OT.

- Make the spring folks work a full 10 hours and also make the fall folks start an hour later to have them only work 10 hours.

Pony,

Here in MN.. Our Unions are pretty good (IMHO). We use to do as you have stated above.. BUT the worker bee's were getting screwed because an extra hour of OT converts to 1.5 hours. And losing a hour in the Spring is only 1 straight hour. Besides, an inherent problem with our old way was most Cops work on a revolving day off schedule. So, in the Fall you had to work an extra hour... Say in the Spring, if the change occurred when you were off, you didn't ever get a chance to collect that hour back (even though you had more than 1 hour coming).

Out of labor fairness, we get the OT in the Fall and burn an hour in the Spring.

WW

 

[HotRodZilla]

Pony,

I think the answer to your qestion depends on a couple of variables. Does your department utilize a bid system that is in effect for a certain period of time, are they changed on the whim of an administrator, or do your people change shifts every few months on a schedule? Also, if you do have a bid system, how long is the bid and when does it start?

Example: My department uses a bid system based on seniority. Basically, the guy in the field with the most senority gets his pick of all shifts, area commands and days off. The next guy gets all those picks except the one the guy before him got. This goes down the line with choices diminishing as seniority decreases. Our bid lasts a year starting the first full pay period in January, so unless someone requests a change, gets promoted or transferred to another division, they will be in the same slot in spring and fall. Because of this, we get a free hour in the spring (work 7 get paid for 8) and we repay that hour in the fall (work 9 get paid for 8).

My brother's department works on a totally different system. They change shifts and days off every couple of months. Since the shift and RDO changes usually keep people from working at both time changes, they pay the graveyard people one hour of OT for the fall time change shift. I know somone mentioned it earlier, but that one hour pushes employees to at least 41 hours and OT starts at anything over 40. If I understand correctly, the department either eats the hour in the spring or has everyone hold over one hour. I know there was some debate about that a couple of years ago and I don't know how it ended.

Hope this helps.

 

[rickysnickers]

This doesn't impact on me, but I figure an outsider's perspective might be useful
IMHO it doesn't matter whether you change the clock or not . . . you work 10 hours you get paid 10 hours.

I suppose it MIGHT make sense to pay based on clock times, but you can get screwed if you et transfered mind you, you can also get the benefit - depends on when you change positions or shifts.

I agree. The problem is, my employer has officers work 9 hours in the spring and 11 hours in the fall. Their "logic" is that you get a break in the spring and eat it in the fall. But I don't think it's a fair system and now that I'm in a position to change it, I am exploring other people's policies.

The Department I work for is not allowed to adjust hours to avoid paying OT. The night shifts start at 2100 and end at 0700. If you work in the Spring you get blessed, but if you work in the Fall, you get screwed. It's happened though that some supervisors, read captains, have allowed the graveyard guys to come in at 2200 so they don't get worked over on the time change.

Rick

 

[radman]

Don't you guys have, like, guns? And arrest powers and all that ****? I would think the issue would have been settled by now.

 

[HotRodZilla]

Don't you guys have, like, guns? And arrest powers and all that ****? I would think the issue would have been settled by now.

Why...Yes we do, but the administrators have pens. Leave without pay trumps a .45 every time.

 

[twistedcricket]

Don't you guys have, like, guns? And arrest powers and all that ****? I would think the issue would have been settled by now.

That's damn funny... made me chuckle too loud at the office

 

[weekend rider]

Ponyfool you are openning up a can of worms you better rethink before you act. Administration has a lot more power than you they have

 

[ponyfool]

Ponyfool you are openning up a can of worms you better rethink before you act. Administration has a lot more power than you they have

That may be, but I have a duty to represent the 960 officers, sergeants, detectives and criminalists that voted me in to office.

 

[twistedcricket]

Where? here on the forum or where he's at?

 

[Wicked Webby]

Ponyfool you are openning up a can of worms you better rethink before you act. Administration has a lot more power than you they have

That may be, but I have a duty to represent the 960 officers, sergeants, detectives and criminalists that voted me in to office.

Political dutys....... in the Police dept,

YUK!!!!

Sounds like you got voted into your Union...

Good for you.

BTW,

Is this a political based thread??

Hahahahaha.

WW

 

[NoCage]

I'm salaried... expected to "do my job whatever it takes". I'm screwed.