Bustanut joker
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You dork!! Everyone knows excess weight slows ya down and burns fuel at an increased rate.. 
Somebody slap Him!
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Somebody slap Him!
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Wheel balancing
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RadioHowie
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Yeah, yeah, yeah....slap me.You dork!! Everyone knows excess weight slows ya down and burns fuel at an increased rate..
Somebody slap Him!
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I'll take a nice big dump before I ride to make up for that extra ounce-and-a-half of weights on my wheels.
But seriously, how can it possibly matter how many weights (within reason) it takes to balance a wheel.....as long as it's balanced?
Sure, I don't want an armadillo glued to my rim to balance the assembly, but crap-in-a-hat, removing/rotating a tire to find an extra 10 grams??? Christ, that's too anal for me.
Aasland
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It's very simple. Weights added to the tire are unsprung weight. That causes the tire to not follow the road bumps and undulations very well, which in turns means less traction in the corners. To compensate for that we have to slow down, and then Bustanut will catch up and ... you don't konw what happens at that point. I don't want to know.
Besides, it is also a safety issue. If you have a kick-ass jump on an Oklahoma toll road, you don't want a whole bunch of extra weights on your front tire causing you to land nose-down. That's bad. That's why we have to make sure our front tires have less weights than our rear tires.
See? Makes perfect sense.
SkooterG
Purveyor of Crooked Facts
In my personal experience, the 'more' weight it takes to balance a wheel/tire combo the more likely you are to experience vibration or other issues even when 'balanced'.
Tell you what RH, why don't you go put 5 ounces of weight on your front wheel, and then put another 5 ounces of weight 180 degrees opposite, and see what, if any effect it has.
Report back to us the results. 500 words or less.
Tell you what RH, why don't you go put 5 ounces of weight on your front wheel, and then put another 5 ounces of weight 180 degrees opposite, and see what, if any effect it has.
Report back to us the results. 500 words or less.
RadioHowie
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Oh come on, guys....we're talking about grams here, not 5 ounces, but Skoot, I'll try your experiment and see if it makes a diff.
Can't see how it would, but I'm game.
SkooterG
Purveyor of Crooked Facts
I misread your above post to be 10 ounces, not 10 grams.
Listen up ya big dork, I don't think ANYBODY aroudn here stresses about 10 grams. But when you start getting to 40 to 70 grams, then that is excessive imho.
Last PR2s I mounted took about 41 grams on the front - the most I have ever put on a front, and about 66 grams on the rear - the most I have ever put on a rear. To me. both of those are excessive and my front still has vibration at higher speeds.
Bustanut joker
Well-known member
Dang!! My eNTYRE only took a quarter of an ounce.
CT's must be built to a higher standard eh Howie?
CT's must be built to a higher standard eh Howie?
RadioHowie
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7 whole grams??? That's sure not worth dickin' around looking for a "Sweet Spot" if you ask me.Dang!! My eNTYRE only took a quarter of an ounce.
CT's must be built to a higher standard eh Howie?
Funny you mention it, but neither my Michelin A/S Plus Rear or brand new PR2 Front have any weights on the wheels.
Gotta hand it to them Frenchies for making good rubbers!
Bustanut joker
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True Dat!!!
RadioHowie
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God bless ya for fessin' up on the mis-read.
Are you kidding??? This whole thread is about stressing about 10 grams. Seriously, how much weight difference is there between the "heavy" side of a tire and the "light" side?
Again, I've never bothered balancing my own wheels, so it IS a serious question.
No. It's not.
A single square stick on weight is 7 grams (1/4 oz). It takes 3 of those weights (21 grams) just to balance out either of my wheels before I even put a tire on it.
If a poorly balanced tire is placed on there and has any significant mis-balance of its own, that also happens to serendipitously be aligned with the wheel's, I could be into the 8 to 10 wheel weights (56 to 70 grams) or more.
It's not a matter of aesthetics at all.
It's a matter of getting the best balance with the least chance of chucking off wheel weights that will cause you to limp home like a three legged dog.
RadioHowie
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Okay, it basically boils down to the fear of throwing a weight off. I get it.
Now, another question -- how about taking your out-of-balance wheel, sans tire, and carefully taking an angle-grinder to the heavy side and taking off those 21 grams...perhaps from the inside of the wheel where it won't show???
Then your wheel is permanently balanced...then you'd never have to worry/stress about the "heavy" side ever again.....until you clobber a 4x4 left in the road.
Now, another question -- how about taking your out-of-balance wheel, sans tire, and carefully taking an angle-grinder to the heavy side and taking off those 21 grams...perhaps from the inside of the wheel where it won't show???
Then your wheel is permanently balanced...then you'd never have to worry/stress about the "heavy" side ever again.....until you clobber a 4x4 left in the road.
beemerdons
Certifiable Old Fart
Ya Big Dork, they are probably stressing just like Mrs. RadioHowie stresses over the fact that you are only packing 10 centimeters; Ya Bug Dick!
Fred, forgive me if this is a stupid question, but why the HELL would you balance a wheel before you put a tire on it?
Practice?
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beemerdons
Certifiable Old Fart
Oh My Brother Michael, there goes the entire evening!
Please give me a chance to buy a case of beer first!
You might as well ask James Burleigh about clutches!
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SkooterG
Purveyor of Crooked Facts
The question isn't stupid - just the person who asked it. :****:
And it was answered several times earlier in the thread.
YOU were the author of several most of those posts. Why would I read them?The question isn't stupid - just the person who asked it. :****:
And it was answered several times earlier in the thread.
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beemerdons
Certifiable Old Fart
As My Drinking Buddy Rodney King Always Says:YOU were the author of several of those posts. Why would I read them?The question isn't stupid - just the person who asked it. :****:
And it was answered several times earlier in the thread.
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"People, I just want to say, you know, can we all get along? Can we get along? Can we stop making it, making it horrible for the older people and the kids?...It’s just not right. It’s not right. It’s not, it’s not going to change anything. We’ll, we’ll get our justice....They won the battle, but they haven't won the war....Please, we can get along here. We all can get along. I mean, we’re all stuck here for a while. Let’s try to work it out. Let’s try to beat it. Let’s try to beat it. Let’s try to work it out!"
OM,
Since your question was not directly answered, let me respond:
The main reason to balance an unshod wheel (once) is: for knowledge. To know absolutely what it is before mounting any new tires of unknown balance state.
The standard operating procedure for many shops when mounting a new tire is to mount it with the paint dot (which usually denotes the tire's light spot) aligned with the tire's valve stem, under the assumption that this will be the wheel's heavy spot. However, on many (most?) Wheels that assumption is dead wrong. In the case of my wheels it would result in exactly the opposite of the intended, and result in the worst case scenario and require the maximum possible amount of weight to achieve a balanced state (if one is even achieved),
I do not (would not) bother balancing the bare wheel every time I put on a tire. But knowing where that spot is can allow you to put abalance marked tire on in the best orientation the first time, or in the case of an unmarked tire, allow you the knowledge of whether you guessed right in the first attempt, and whether it might be worthwhile to break the bead and rotate the tire on the wheel.
I've seen plenty of wheels with (what I consider to be) too many lead weights stuck on them. Which only says the mounter was unconcerned with this situation.
If weights never came off I'd be inclined to not worry about it and just slap the tires on willy nilly. But, unfortunately they do fly off sometimes. The result of which can be a problem.
Will it cause you to crash and result in a horrible flaming death? Probably not. But like in many other service activities we undertake on our own machines, you can just do the job, or you can do it the best way. It costs nothing (other than a little more of your own free labor) to do it the best way. The choice is, as always, yours.
Hope that clears this up some.
Since your question was not directly answered, let me respond:
The main reason to balance an unshod wheel (once) is: for knowledge. To know absolutely what it is before mounting any new tires of unknown balance state.
The standard operating procedure for many shops when mounting a new tire is to mount it with the paint dot (which usually denotes the tire's light spot) aligned with the tire's valve stem, under the assumption that this will be the wheel's heavy spot. However, on many (most?) Wheels that assumption is dead wrong. In the case of my wheels it would result in exactly the opposite of the intended, and result in the worst case scenario and require the maximum possible amount of weight to achieve a balanced state (if one is even achieved),
I do not (would not) bother balancing the bare wheel every time I put on a tire. But knowing where that spot is can allow you to put abalance marked tire on in the best orientation the first time, or in the case of an unmarked tire, allow you the knowledge of whether you guessed right in the first attempt, and whether it might be worthwhile to break the bead and rotate the tire on the wheel.
I've seen plenty of wheels with (what I consider to be) too many lead weights stuck on them. Which only says the mounter was unconcerned with this situation.
If weights never came off I'd be inclined to not worry about it and just slap the tires on willy nilly. But, unfortunately they do fly off sometimes. The result of which can be a problem.
Will it cause you to crash and result in a horrible flaming death? Probably not. But like in many other service activities we undertake on our own machines, you can just do the job, or you can do it the best way. It costs nothing (other than a little more of your own free labor) to do it the best way. The choice is, as always, yours.
Hope that clears this up some.
RadioHowie
I Miss Beemerdons!
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