Wife's xmas present help

[evilmedic13]

Okay, here's the deal. My wife's a cop and her dept came out w/ a new list of weapons they are allowed to carry. She has a Beretta 92f,it's "okay" but I know there are superior weapons out there, just not sure which they are.I've been trying to get this list forever,finally got it today.

Now if you guys were to buy 1(and only 1) which would you choose from this list:

Beretta

92D DAO,8000 Cougar DAO,8000D DAO,PX4© Storm constant trigger SFS, PX4(D) STORM DOUBLE ACTION only, 90-two DAO

Glock

model 17,19,21,22,23,26,27,30,36

Springfield Armory

XD subcompact 3 i in sfs,XD compact sfs,XD service model 4 in sfs,XD tactical model 5 in sfs

Sig-arms

P220,P225*,P226*,P228*,P229,P239,P245,SIG PRO (All models DAO)

*Must have breach block, known to SA as "Chicago block"(?)

S&W

All 3rd generation DAO pistols(?). Model M&P Series SFS, CS9D DAO ,CS45D DAO

All weapons listed above are allowed in 9mm, .40S&w AND .45ACP

BELOW ARE ONLY ALLOWED IN 9mm and .45ACP

Ruger

P-89,P-93,P-95,P-97.

Anybody that has a problem w/ guns, please keep it out of here. This is definitely a zero tolerance for politics thread, the weapons listed are for police use only and may save her or someone elses life. Nothing more, nothing less. Questions are welcome,as they may help narrow the list a little.

Thanks for any help,

Ed

 

[twowheelnut]

What the **** ever happened to skimp, edible lingerie? :dntknw:

 

[evilmedic13]

What the **** ever happened to skimp, edible lingerie? :dntknw:

That shit made me fat.

 

[Fencer]

Guns are like bikes, a lot of personal preference.

It has to fit her hand. some may be to wide/short or long.

I suggest calling the weapons training officer or partner (if she has one) to see if she has borrowed a gun and made mention of a like or dislike.

unless your wife has a large hand I would rule out the Rugers (although I am partial to them with 3)

I might be wrong, but I think your "chicago block" is a safety transfer bar.

When you pull the trigger a bar moves up and into position and is held up as long as the trigger is held back to fire.

The hammer hits the bar, the bar hits the firing pin, pin hits shell. If you pull the hammer back, hold The hammer, but release the trigger, the bar falls out of the way and the hammer cannot strike the firing pin preventing an accidental discharge even from a drop.

 

[madmike2]

PM sent.

No, I'm not a cop. I just know of a few who are.

 

[SockMonkey]

So many good choices..! :dribble:

Though I'm not a LEO, I highly recommend the PX4 Storm for the following reasons: light weight, adjustable backstraps, high cap mag, field strip and re-assemble in under 30 seconds. I was never a fan of polymer handguns (including Glocks) until I shot this one. Very well mannered piece of hardware. Practially no muzzle flip even shooting a +P defense load. My wife will "borrow" (translate to "commandeer") this weapon at the range quite frequently. I'm also a big fan of the Sig P239. I've got a P239 SAS chambered in .40S&W as my concealed carry weapon. Great gun. Can be a bit harsh on the hand though as smaller framed handguns tend to be. Though as a duty weapon? Hmmmm...

While I'm thinking about it, you/she certainly couldn't go wrong with the Sig P229 (got my eye on a P229 Elite). There's a guy that I shoot with regularly that works for DHS and the P229 is his duty weapon. He loves it. Prior to the Sig, he was carrying a Beretta 92. He says the Sig is a HUGE improvement.

Good luck!

 

[SMC]

:blink: Hello Ed,

This is almost an impossible question to answer.

You don't need 50 people telling you or your wife what they would get because we all have different size hands and the same firearm will feel, aim and balance different in different peoples hands.

I have handled a majority of the weapons you have listed as I worked for 8 years in a gun store when I wasn't scheduled to fly for a major airline.

If your wife's life depends on this pistol she owes it to herself to handle as many of these as she can get her hands on to see which ones fit her hand the best, so her grip is secure, the weapon points naturally for her, the sights are easy and quickly acquired, the distance from the rear of the grip to her trigger finger fits perfectly and the she can naturally lay her trigger finger so the pad towards the first joint of her index finger is square on the trigger and she can squeeze the trigger @ a parallel direction of travel with the trigger as opposed to at an angle causing the aim of the firearm to be deflected ever so slightly. She will determine which trigger has the smoothest and easiest pull for her, with no creep, grittyness or great amount of over-travel. She will determine which trigger has just the right amount of travel before engagement. She will determine which trigger pull has the correct lbs of pull before the trigger breaks.

Does the operator have the hand strength to operate the slide on all these pistols, (are there any extenuating circumstances such as arthritis, carpal tunnel, or tennis elbow?). If the operator has any of these afflictions and the length and severity of the bouts are moderate to severe, a semi auto pistols can be an exercise in frustration.

Will the operator practice enough so they're truly profficient and can clear a weapon of a bad round or stovepiped casing as if it were second nature?

Is your wife a patrol officer who will be wearing this in a standard fashion in her duty rig or is she undercover where concealment is a big factor? This will help determine if she goes with a compact such as a Glock 26 or 27, Springfield XD subcompact, or a duty/tactical such as a Glock 17, 19, 22, 23, Sig Sauer 229, 226, 220, Beretta 92, Springfield XD service/tactical, S & W M & P, etc., etc.

When at the range, having three of the same model firearms, but chambered in 9mm, 40 S & W, 45ACP, can your wife get a comparably similar and tight grouping with all three calibers in the same amount of time?, or is she recoil sensitive?

Shot placement and accuracy is everything.

If she is equally proficient with all three calibers, my vote is use the biggest rock possible (45ACP).

If she is recoil sensitive or has a noticeable degradation in accuracy/shot placement/re-acquiring the target for the second shot go with the caliber she is most accurate with, with the best speed (9mm or 40 S & W.).

All the pistols you listed are pretty good firearms, but due to the fact that I have small hands and fairly short fingers, the Glocks, Sig Sauers, and Springfield Armory XD's fit me better, and hence my accuracy and speed where enhanced.

The S & W M & P's have a neat little system of interchangeable backstraps to custom fit the grip to many different size and shaped hands.

I was not impressed by the fit, finish and machining of the Rugers.

The Beretta's where just plain too big for my hands and the engagement of my trigger finger on the trigger was horrible....

...just remember what was right for me might not be right for your wife.

Let your wife determine what is the optimal carry pistol for her.

 

[Leartech]

I am not a LEO, but have been around a number of weapons.

Those are all pretty nice selections and as the others have said, it isn't exactly something that can just be purchased same as a gift. If she got into a situation, she needs to be 100% comfortable with whatever she is bringing to bear. So she needs to be involved really.

The only comment I can make after that is about the 9mm. They are nice and darn easy to shoot in most cases, but I would not really like to think about streeting one. The 45 is good, but if that is an issue, I have found that the 40S&W is a nice compromise. I have seen several 9mm from different manufacturers stovepipe a casing, preventing the next shot until you clear the round. My 40 has never had a single cycle issue.

Not much, but it is all I got. Good luck with it.

Bryan

 

[evilmedic13]

Thanks everyone. I guess the way I worded it was waay off what I intended <_< . SMC, thanks, those are the questions I needed. While I realize they're subjective, I guess the amount of time before xmas precludes me from getting even close to the answers only she can provide.I was just so happy to get this damned list finally(been trying for a few months) that I sorta lost the big picture there .

Thanks folks, you saved me some money at the least,her life at the max. Win-win for me now as opposed to buying the wrong weapon.I hope THAT came out right.

Oh well, I guess front row tickets to Wicked and dinner downtown it is. Or a gift certificate to the bang-bang store :elf:

 

[cougar8000]

Ed, not sure if she has access to Cougar 8000 model since it is not carried by any gun shop for target practice, she could try my out. I picked it over the regular P92 due to its size. It has its little thing but over all it is a great weapon.

 

[JimLor]

"recoil sensitive" I like that! I'd say whatever feels right for her and the caliber starts with a "4." We have looked at pistols for Lorie from time to time and by far the biggest challenge is getting something that fits her hand! The M1911 actually fits her hand pretty well, while some of the Glock or like pistols with stacked magazines don't - too fat.

My suggestion is to take her with you whatever you do! Make sure it fits and she likes it.

Good luck.

 

[Geezer]

Go down to the gun shop and pick out a nice pistol that you really like. That way, if it doesn't work for her you got yourself a new toy. B)

 

[Thug]

Custom Grips Short barrel 45 auto....you need something that when it hits something it stays hit and of course plenty of range time with said new pistol!

Good luck!

 

[sonicspeed]

my vote goes to the glock model 23.

 

[feejer222]

I had a similar dilema but we don't have guns here so I got her a throwing axe for her 40th.

 

[RenoJohn]

1.) good fit, her hands are likely not as big as what the gun manuf's design thier guns for. ...but assuming her current 92-f is a good fit then...perhaps a good fit:

2.) sig Sauer, (i like and i've converted to the Pro line which is designed for LEO's).

3.) SMC writes good wisdom on his post, I'd certainly throw his good advice into the mix.

For female shooters (and no, not being sexist) the fit is the most important issue because for the most part manuf's design guns for larger hands. (lefties face a similiar challenge)

Nice, we should all be so lucky to have a spouse who wants a gun for Christmas. Typically it's AFTER Christmas when mine wants one ...as I often I elect to go riding instead of hanging with the in-laws.

 

[JimLor]

1873 Colt Peacemaker in .45 Long Colt. I've always wanted one of those...always!! Imagine just how cool she'd look with a western rig and the 1873...hmmm, maybe I can convince Lorie that she wants one too!

 

[Checkswrecks]

Understand that you're now doing something else for Christmas, but if you still do try to help her buy something, I'd suggest starting with a phone call to the weapons officer. Ask what loads are permissible or required as there are some 40 & 45 loads that have serious recoil, while others are no problem. Definitely need a "try before you buy" both in weapon and load.

Bob

 

[wheatonFJR]

I had a similar dilema but we don't have guns here so I got her an throwing axe for her 40th.

How'd that work out? ...oh, and is there a safety on that thing? :lol: