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Only if you think it can double as a jetski, like this dumbass!
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It does make for a cheap car wash however :)

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I thought TopSpeed was trying to put out one of those BMW fires!! My bad!

 
When I rode my 08 from the dealership for the 80 mile trip home, I drove through two monsoons, plus traveled behind chip trucks blowing shitty mist all over me. The bike just laughed at it. Had a nice sunny day when I rode the 15 home from the same dealership.

I do recommend a shorty cover and dielectric grease in all electrical connectors (displaces moisture). Also rainy weather is why I have always preferred vinyl seats to leather. Wipe 'em off and they are good as new.

 
...I did have some electrical issues due to corrosion on electrical connections...I cleaned and applied dielectric grease to virtually all connections on the bike...
Seattle daily commuter here and +1 for the Nelson cover when parked, though I do it more to reduce UV damage on my shiny bike than water. And +1 on ACF 50 in the key mechanisms and other exposed metal places...
...Haven't had any electrical corrosion problems but I applied dielectric grease to areas commonly referenced as probloem spots and to exposed connectors...
...I do recommend a shorty cover and dielectric grease in all electrical connectors (displaces moisture)...
I don't understand the compulsion to put a non conducting grease on connector pins that depend on conduction -- dielectric grease. It was never designed for this use and does not do helpful service in this application no matter how compelling the idea is to seal out water. I do applaud AFC 50 which is an anti-corrosion product. Not only does the dielectric grease inhibit electricity flow, when it's really packed into a connector to prevent electrical problems it actually holds in moisture that can't evaporate because it is trapped by the grease. Then in the trapped moisture in the presence of electrical flow enhances corrosion. The fact that you packed a connector with grease and today you don't have a problem doesn't mean that you have a real long term fix.

(Flame suit on for all the people that are going to say that my OPINION is wrong and they are living proof that a nonconducting grease is exactly what you should pack into your electrical connectors.)

 
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I don't think everyone has ionbeam's grasp of electron flow. (I don't either!) It is pretty obvious to me that not everyone understands exactly what dielectric grease is supposed to do.

The stuff we use in the plant actually conducts electricity. It gets misused as well.

 
I don't understand the compulsion to put a non conducting grease on connector pins that depend on conduction -- dielectric grease. It was never designed for this use and does not do helpful service in this application no matter how compelling the idea is to seal out water. I do applaud AFC 50 which is an anti-corrosion product. Not only does the dielectric grease inhibit electricity flow, when it's really packed into a connector to prevent electrical problems it actually holds in moisture that can't evaporate because it is trapped by the grease. Then in the trapped moisture in the presence of electrical flow enhances corrosion. The fact that you packed a connector with grease and today you don't have a problem doesn't mean that you have a real long term fix.
I use to have the same misconceptions about the non-conductive nature of dielectric grease...and have probably made some of the same comments in the past. One of my friends, an electricl engineer and design specialist in the RF industry, wrote a great article backed-up by emperical testing that helped me get my arms around the nature of these substances. The article discusses dielectric grease and conductive grease properties.

Here's the link to the article. If you care to learn the facts, I invite you to read it and see what you think afterwards.

https://w8ji.com/dielectric_grease_vs_conductive_grease.htm

 
Rain is fine... its the wax that kills FJRs.

Actually, sun/rain has caused my Gen. 1 stock seat to slowly rot to finally tearing. The bike is just abused

and put away wet. It just wants to be ridden... often & far.

 
Mine wants to melt in the rain. The witch!

Never had any problems with water, however I have heard power washing is a bad idea. Ridden through many a down pours and never a hiccup.

 
Here in the dry part of the Northwest, my bike rarely sees rain. So to remind it what it's like I hose it off every week or so.

 
Mine wants to melt in the rain. The witch!

Never had any problems with water, however I have heard power washing is a bad idea. Ridden through many a down pours and never a hiccup.
I pressure clean the area around the rear shock and center stand. Then, I lube the crap out of all the pivot points around it. It works just fine for me. :)
 
I don't understand the compulsion to put a non conducting grease on connector pins that depend on conduction -- dielectric grease. It was never designed for this use and does not do helpful service in this application no matter how compelling the idea is to seal out water. I do applaud AFC 50 which is an anti-corrosion product. Not only does the dielectric grease inhibit electricity flow, when it's really packed into a connector to prevent electrical problems it actually holds in moisture that can't evaporate because it is trapped by the grease. Then in the trapped moisture in the presence of electrical flow enhances corrosion. The fact that you packed a connector with grease and today you don't have a problem doesn't mean that you have a real long term fix.
I use to have the same misconceptions about the non-conductive nature of dielectric grease...and have probably made some of the same comments in the past. One of my friends, an electricl engineer and design specialist in the RF industry, wrote a great article backed-up by emperical testing that helped me get my arms around the nature of these substances. The article discusses dielectric grease and conductive grease properties.

Here's the link to the article. If you care to learn the facts, I invite you to read it and see what you think afterwards.

https://w8ji.com/dielectric_grease_vs_conductive_grease.htm

Interesting article Joe, thanks for posting it.

As many of our old timers regulars know, I've been a big proponent of applying Silicone Dielectric grease in our bike's non sealed connectors in an effort to seal off the bare metal from the air. My thoughts about these spiders are this... when the bike is fresh, the metal in these connectors is bright and have low resistance to electrical current. Given time the brightness goes away due to oxidation forming on the pin's plating. With electrical resistance comes heat. This increasing resistance, in the case of the S4 spider, is sufficient to cause a thermal runaway when the current becomes high enough.

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This S4 spider was from Don Carver's bike. That burned out wire carries the combined load of the cooling fans, headlights, tail lights, horns, turn signals, grip heater (on an AE bike), windshield drive, and other associated devices on our Gen.2 platform. It is the metric equivalent of a 16 gage wire (1.0mm).

In the small space within these plastic connectors there is not enough surrounding material to draw off this heat and it results in annealing the affected pin, scorching the plastic, and in many cases convection up the wire melting the insulation. If all the connectors were of the sealed type there would be no issues, however, sealed connectors cost more, and would drive up the purchase price of the bike. Yamaha chose to only use them where the bike's electronics require it, where differences in voltage, are critical in the circuits.

I have had the privilege to install my Grounding Harness on several member's bikes. Several in the San Jose Bay Area, two in the Southern California / San Diego area, and one in Moscow Idaho - a Pacific Northwet bike. I've seen dirty bikes that had clean pins, several darkened connectors, and one pristine bike, and a 4 year old garage queen with a scorched S4 connector. That bike had less than 5,000 miles on it, the top of the engine looked like it was assembled the week before - it was that clean.

It seems that it didn't matter if the bike was rode hard and put away wet, or never saw a raindrop, it is the oxygen in the air that reacts with the pin's surface that causes the corrosion. At the outset I figured that the only way to keep that from happening would be to coat the surface of the connector pins with some type of grease to keep the oxygen from attacking the integrity of the electrical connection. I've had under the hood experience with Permetex dielectric tune up grease for several of my cars. It held up for a long time when coated on spark plug boots, it seemed to be able to take high temperatures and not degrade, and water did not have any effect on it. It even came in small blister packs that I sent with every Grounding Harness sold, along with the Tootse Rolls.

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To date I have no evidence, nor heard of any problems with this practice of coating these electrical pins. I've done a lot of electrical farkleing on my two FJRs, and every time I take apart a connector that I treated it comes apart quite easily after releasing it's catch. All the pins are fresh underneath the grease, and I'm sure that when I put them back together, they will get good metal to metal contact with the wiping action inherent in their design.

This evening I installed my Ignition Relay Harness on my new '08 Advanced Edition bike. This harness has been on my other two bikes. On this bike I decided to try ACF50 instead of the Permetex stuff. It will be interesting to see how it holds up after a few years. Before I put it in place, I pulled the relay out of it's socket so I could clean out all the dielectric grease with electrical contact cleaner. Sure enough, the big tabs on this 70 amp automotive relay were nice and bright under the grease. My practice was to use a Q-tip smeared with dielectric grease to cover both sides of these tabs; well I missed a spot. Sure enough, it had a nice flakey green build up where there was bare copper. This device lives in the engine bay, behind the steering head, under the heat shield. I would consider it a damp location due to the 2 tunnels on either side of the headset directing the elements into this area. It will be interesting to see if the ACF 50 will hold up as well as the dielectric grease did.

Sure was nice reading this article, and having it give credibility to my practice of greasing my connectors.

YMMV

Brodie

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Thank you Brodie and Lowcountry Joe for the informative insight, and thank you all for the responses. As always this forum and our bikes that we ride are the best thing that we all have in common. Great information here and a lot of good guys with great minds.

I enjoyed reading this and look forward for more. Again thank you all.

Ride safe.

Leo

 
Brodie....man it's good to hear from you. I installed your ignition bypass switch on my 08 back in 08. Thanks for all of your innovative ideas and kits over the years to help solve some pretty significant design issues.

Take care!

 
Rain in itself may not ruin it. But if left outside and exposing it day in day out to rain and sun, eventually things will fade, dry rot, crack.. etc

It'll cartainly take it's toll..

 
It will a little. I have had motorcycles outdoors under covers for years until I had the means to store them indoors. The covered ones stayed in pretty good shape but the indoor ones are even better.

 
The short answer is ....... NO. Bikes were designed for the elements. 186000 kms on my bike. More rain than I'd like to remember.

 
Shit I am doooooooooomed!!! I have never ever put a hose or paste wax to my bike. The only time it gets a wash is when mother nature takes care of it. I do use spray polish though. That's all I do.

Call me lazy I guess,

Dave

 
name="08FJR4ME" post="1235158"Shit I am doooooooooomed!!! I have never ever put a hose or paste wax to my bike. The only time it gets a wash is when mother nature takes care of it. I do use spray polish though. That's all I do.

Call me lazy I guess,

Dave
I have never washed my bike. Rinsed and squeegeed at the gas station a few times to get the bug guts off. Road dirt forms an insulating layer that seals the bike's finish from sun and oxidizing elements. (Yeah, that's the ticket!
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Mostly it's because I live in a high-rise with no exterior water source for moto-washing. Got a call into my suburban brother about using his driveway and hose this weekend, because I went to a meetup group Tuesday and was confronted with 4 sparkling FJRs that shamed me horribly.

 
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I don't understand the compulsion to put a non conducting grease on connector pins that depend on conduction -- dielectric grease. It was never designed for this use and does not do helpful service in this application no matter how compelling the idea is to seal out water. I do applaud AFC 50 which is an anti-corrosion product. Not only does the dielectric grease inhibit electricity flow, when it's really packed into a connector to prevent electrical problems it actually holds in moisture that can't evaporate because it is trapped by the grease. Then in the trapped moisture in the presence of electrical flow enhances corrosion. The fact that you packed a connector with grease and today you don't have a problem doesn't mean that you have a real long term fix.
I use to have the same misconceptions about the non-conductive nature of dielectric grease...and have probably made some of the same comments in the past. One of my friends, an electricl engineer and design specialist in the RF industry, wrote a great article backed-up by emperical testing that helped me get my arms around the nature of these substances. The article discusses dielectric grease and conductive grease properties.

Here's the link to the article. If you care to learn the facts, I invite you to read it and see what you think afterwards.

https://w8ji.com/dielectric_grease_vs_conductive_grease.htm

Interesting article Joe, thanks for posting it.

As many of our old timers regulars know, I've been a big proponent of applying Silicone Dielectric grease in our bike's non sealed connectors in an effort to seal off the bare metal from the air. My thoughts about these spiders are this... when the bike is fresh, the metal in these connectors is bright and have low resistance to electrical current. Given time the brightness goes away due to oxidation forming on the pin's plating. With electrical resistance comes heat. This increasing resistance, in the case of the S4 spider, is sufficient to cause a thermal runaway when the current becomes high enough.

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This S4 spider was from Don Carver's bike. That burned out wire carries the combined load of the cooling fans, headlights, tail lights, horns, turn signals, grip heater (on an AE bike), windshield drive, and other associated devices on our Gen.2 platform. It is the metric equivalent of a 16 gage wire (1.0mm).

In the small space within these plastic connectors there is not enough surrounding material to draw off this heat and it results in annealing the affected pin, scorching the plastic, and in many cases convection up the wire melting the insulation. If all the connectors were of the sealed type there would be no issues, however, sealed connectors cost more, and would drive up the purchase price of the bike. Yamaha chose to only use them where the bike's electronics require it, where differences in voltage, are critical in the circuits.

I have had the privilege to install my Grounding Harness on several member's bikes. Several in the San Jose Bay Area, two in the Southern California / San Diego area, and one in Moscow Idaho - a Pacific Northwet bike. I've seen dirty bikes that had clean pins, several darkened connectors, and one pristine bike, and a 4 year old garage queen with a scorched S4 connector. That bike had less than 5,000 miles on it, the top of the engine looked like it was assembled the week before - it was that clean.

It seems that it didn't matter if the bike was rode hard and put away wet, or never saw a raindrop, it is the oxygen in the air that reacts with the pin's surface that causes the corrosion. At the outset I figured that the only way to keep that from happening would be to coat the surface of the connector pins with some type of grease to keep the oxygen from attacking the integrity of the electrical connection. I've had under the hood experience with Permetex dielectric tune up grease for several of my cars. It held up for a long time when coated on spark plug boots, it seemed to be able to take high temperatures and not degrade, and water did not have any effect on it. It even came in small blister packs that I sent with every Grounding Harness sold, along with the Tootse Rolls.

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To date I have no evidence, nor heard of any problems with this practice of coating these electrical pins. I've done a lot of electrical farkleing on my two FJRs, and every time I take apart a connector that I treated it comes apart quite easily after releasing it's catch. All the pins are fresh underneath the grease, and I'm sure that when I put them back together, they will get good metal to metal contact with the wiping action inherent in their design.

This evening I installed my Ignition Relay Harness on my new '08 Advanced Edition bike. This harness has been on my other two bikes. On this bike I decided to try ACF50 instead of the Permetex stuff. It will be interesting to see how it holds up after a few years. Before I put it in place, I pulled the relay out of it's socket so I could clean out all the dielectric grease with electrical contact cleaner. Sure enough, the big tabs on this 70 amp automotive relay were nice and bright under the grease. My practice was to use a Q-tip smeared with dielectric grease to cover both sides of these tabs; well I missed a spot. Sure enough, it had a nice flakey green build up where there was bare copper. This device lives in the engine bay, behind the steering head, under the heat shield. I would consider it a damp location due to the 2 tunnels on either side of the headset directing the elements into this area. It will be interesting to see if the ACF 50 will hold up as well as the dielectric grease did.

Sure was nice reading this article, and having it give credibility to my practice of greasing my connectors.

YMMV

Brodie

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Thanks Brodie for the service you have given us. You helped me install the Brodie Ground Harness on mr 07. It never failed me and the dielectric grease kept the connectors like new. I purchased ACF50 and will use it especially on items where the spray application will be more effective.

 
Like many others I have a light nelson rigg cover. I use it to keep off the UV more than anything. Also if the bike isn't soaked and more rain is coming I put it on as well.

 
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