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Of course -- we'll need a full write-up on the course... of course. like -- was it worth $300? etc.

I believe most of the mechanical bits have been covered -- remove sidebags, mirrors, use TOGS, etc.

What I believe is more important is your frame of mind and what you focus on during the course i.e. If you fixate on dropping the bike, you probably will.

You need to focus on the path, the course, learning, skills, and where you want the bike to be... just focus, and have some fun.

 
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Looks like a great class. When I took the Experienced Rider Course for the second time in order to do it on my "new" FJR, I took up the challenge when they did the figure 8's, to stay inside the box and not put a foot down. And as they kept tightening them up by closing down the box you're in, I kept right on doing those 8's inside the box. I was the only one in the class who didn't put a foot down (nobody dropped their bike) to get through the figure 8's even when they tightened it down to the minimum training specification. And I'd say my height (I'm 6'3") isn't a benefit, because when the bikes going that slow and leaned at that angle, if she goes over, she's going over regardless of how quick you get a foot down.

But it takes cojones and confidence in physics and gyroscopes and counter-balancing (what in the $%*&@ am I talking about!?), when you've shifted your weight to the outer peg and looked through to where you want to go, to press the handlebar closer to the ground and give it throttle... But upsa-daisie she comes right up and goes right around. The trick is to take your time, move your body actively across the seat, use lots of accelerator while feathering the clutch, and never look at the ground beneath you, but deep over your shoulder to your destination.

Later on after I was strutting like Da Man, the other students said, "Sure, I can do that. But it wasn't worth dumping my bike for." And I believed them. Me, I really wanted to work the FJR to the limit, and this was the controlled opportunity to do so. And I'd always heard it's easy to ride a bike fast; not easy to ride it slow, so that if you want to know who's really an expert, see how they handle it slow. I really wanted to reach that skill level.

Now, at an FJR gathering, I will always paddle-walk the bike in front of the crowd instead of trying to show off doing a tight U-turn and risk dumping it. That's too much pressure and I couldn't concentrate.

But in retrospect, I might not have gone as far down the path as I did, but like the others in the class, opted out by going over the lines of the box. And so that's my advice to anyone practicing that skill, is to give yourself permission not to max out your lean-over angle or whatever. Set personal goals and try for those.

Jb

 
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I appreciate any and all advice. The way I am gathering things in my mind, says that the best thing I have going for me is despite over 40 years of competitive motorcycling, that I am still smart enough to realize that I have a lot to learn.

In racing you quickly learn that there will always be someone faster than you, but you also learn that you will have your days too. I'm not as comfortable with the 07 as I was with the 05 (yet). So I think that difference in comfort level is mainly what has me spooked.

I plan to review the suggestions given thus far and get my mind wrapped around a successful plan of action and try to avoid protecting my ego. I did fine in the MSF Basic course and scored 100s across the board, despite it raining like hell both days. Have not taken the advanced course.

Going fast and being quick comes naturally to me. Being confident and slow is not a practiced skill for me. Hence the course and the anxiety.

Okay, I feel better now. Somebody pass me a Chik Flick.

:)

 
Yeah, be careful at the course. All that slow speed stuff is where you have to watch for the dreaded low speed tip over.

 
I too am looking for a class like this in my area. Before I do it though, I plan on installing a G2 Throttle fix, I'm hoping it'll help with the low speed stuff.

just my .02

Keone

 
despite over 40 years of competitive motorcycling...
I have over 2 years of non-competitive motorcycling experience...

So here's what you need to do....

:rolleyes:

:lol:

I did take a similar class. I was pretty nervous, but after a little while I wondered how half the guys even made it TO the class without dropping their bike. I saw three go down. That was the first time i learned that the Goldwing doesnt tip over! This dude was out of control and dove off and the freakin' bike just sat there. Pretty cool!

 
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I did the ERC class last saturday on my '06 AE. I had just installed the G2 mod although I don't think that made much difference. I really never felt at all in jeopardy of dropping the bike. You get to ride each exercise a number of times so you can start at a non threatening level and increase the intensity each time through. The only time I put a foot down was when I tried to compress the figure eight to the smallest size on the course. Just did not get back on the throttle fast enough to complete the last turn.

The local HD Dealer here gave the course at a reasonable $75. I got to take the class with eight Harleys. Needless to say, riding the FJR was like using a scalpel while everyone else was using cleavers. They were all great guys and allot of fun to do the course with. I highly recommend the course to everyone. I also want to applaud Harley Davidson for there support of rider training. Had it not been for their Riders Edge courses I would not be a rider today.

CaryB

 
I'm currently in a 12 hour (2hrs/wk for 6 wks) Skill Improvement class myself w/my 07. I always make it a point to take a class whenever I get a new ride since it provides a great opportunity to bond w/the bike and become more familiar w/its limits in a controlled environment as well as correct bad habits that I've unwittingly developed. Kudos to you, Jeff, for taking the class!!

As far as your fear about dropping the bike, I'll offer this.... I'm a firm believer in focusing on what you DO want rather than on what you DON'T want (in the case, dropping the bike). Sports Psychology has proved that one's attitude and approach significantly impacts results. Instead of approaching a slow speed turn thinking "I don't want to drop the bike" how about thinking "I'm going to kick this turn's ass" or something to that effect. (My exact thought this past wkend on Palomar Mtn!). Enter the class w/the belief and confidence that you have the skills then just go do it!

Best wishes,

AGirl

 
Jeff,

One of the keys for slow speed maneuvering is looking where you want to go. You apply this at speed by looking through the corner. Counter weighting is another key. Shift your weight to the outside just like on a dirt bike on a tight trail. If you need to slow or scrub any speed off, use only the rear brake. Applying the front brake at low speed while turning will pull the bike down. Keeping your eyes up and looking well down range and where you want to go is key. Look down at the cones, and that is where you will go.

I have been using the FJR to demo BRC and ERC exercises since January now and I've found it just as well balanced and suited for slow cone weaves as my Harley. I'm able to shift my weight easier on the FJR because of the seating position and it go through at idle with the clutch out.

Keep your eyes up, counterweight, & no front brake. Good luck and let us know how you're doing.

-wr

 
Signed up for a Precision Maneuvering Class being held in Durham NC this weekend. Starting to be a little bit concerned about dropping my brand new, never before been scratched FJR. Don't think Cherie would love on me much if I scratch her up. Not to mention what that would do to the farkle budget.
Just wondering if anyone else has taken a similar class using their FJR and has any words of wisdom. Specifically, can you tell when you are about to get in over your head?

Remember, I'm only 5'10"/30" inseam, so I cannot flat-foot the bike.

Precision Maneuvering Class

OH poo!... I'd love to be 5'10"...30 inseam or not... you are measuring with your boots on, right?

The guys got it right.... look up, turn your head, use the rear brake..... more than three things I cant' remember while I'm riding.... or walking! <G>

I was having an awful time riding last November, trying to get home in a hurry. The whole trip was rainy cold and windy.... I was too tired to just ride... I started thinking too much about HOW to ride instead of just looking up where I was going and riding. Had to give myself a pep talk.

I dropped my Harley.... after having her for two years... forgot to put the kickstand down. Got pinned between an SUV and the bike. Kinda stupid.

Then dropped it again trying to go up a steep gravel driveway. Had the wrong directions. The homeowner came out, gave me the correct directions, and said he walks up his driveway in winter, 4wd won't make it. That one was really stupid. I could see how steep the driveway was...!

See, that's one good thing about Harley chrome... it doesn't scratch as easily as Yammy paint! <LOL>

Mary

(Crossing my fingers... I haavnt' dropped my FJR yet... although she did do a mighty lean in a fresh parking lot in Nevada last summer....the little stub on the kickstand held her up nicely....)

 
When I went thru police motorcycle riding school, most of it was slow precision maneuvering

The courses/mazes we had to do were much tougher, and we even had mazes that were on a steep hillside :blink:

The entire school lasted 10 days, total of 80hrs :ph34r: We also used stripped down Kawasaki KZ1000 police bikes, as the bikes do get dropped a lot in the beginning.

Good luck and have fun!

 
I appreciate any and all advice. The way I am gathering things in my mind, says that the best thing I have going for me is despite over 40 years of competitive motorcycling, that I am still smart enough to realize that I have a lot to learn.
............snip..............

Okay, I feel better now. Somebody pass me a Chik Flick.

:)
Hey Jeff,

I have frequently driven by the parking lot at the old EPA site where it appears this event will be held. It is a large facility, they should be able to lay out a very good course. I have seen police cars training there a few times, so should be plenty of room for bikes! I have included a link to the local weather forcast, take note of the rather brisk conditions predicted overnight Friday and for Saturday. Be sure to dress dress warmly! https://www.wral.com/weather/5day/

Let us know how it goes, I may want to do the same course there when it warms up a bit!!!

Take care and enjoy yourself!

Bob

 
I'm signed up for an advanced course next month too. I've been riding for 13 years now, but I'm smart enough to know there's still plenty for me to learn. I have a Katana 750 in addition to the FJR, and even though it's lighter, I'm planning on taking the course with the Yammy (plus the FJR is much more maneuverable despite the heavier weight). There's not much else to add that hasn't already been said, but I will reiterate the balance you'll need at low speed and tight turns. If need be, practice balancing yourself and the bike, taking turns of all sizes and speeds without leaning...it's easy to turn a bike by leaning it, but not so easy turning it without leaning. Also, take the bags off...they will serve no purpose or good during this course. Keep your head up! Good luck and have fun.

 
Also, take the bags off...they will serve no purpose or good during this course.
I respectfully disagree w/removing the bags.... unless you spend most of your time riding without them. I just returned from my 2 hour class tonight, where I attend every week fully loaded as if I'm on a multi-day ride since I'm interested in learning the limits of the bike in the conditions that closely match how I spend most my miles on it. I vote that you attend the class with the bike setup as you ride it most of the time (including a passenger, if applicable).

AGirl

 
Thanks again everyone. I'm off to see the Wizard... now somebody point me to those damn flying monkeys so that I can smack their ***** with my mirrors!

:)

 
I respectfully disagree w/removing the bags.... unless you spend most of your time riding without them. I just returned from my 2 hour class tonight, where I attend every week fully loaded as if I'm on a multi-day ride since I'm interested in learning the limits of the bike in the conditions that closely match how I spend most my miles on it. I vote that you attend the class with the bike setup as you ride it most of the time (including a passenger, if applicable).
You raise a good point. I usually ride without the bags, so for me, I would be changing the center of gravity and weight characteristics of the bike at a time when I want to minimize that. In addition, why would someone (namely, me) risk damaging the bags if they were to lay the bike down when the bags could be left safely at home? Adding the bags only succeeds in adding more cons than pros, thus the suggestion to take the course w/out the bags. I do understand your point of view though and I agree with what you say.

 
Hey Jeff, you're worried about dropping the new skoot so you are going to take a class on how to drop it? :unsure: :rolleyes:

 
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