Yamaha offers info on AE

[OrangevaleFJR]

Since clutches last forever, what I want to know is:
When is the last time you actually remember thinking about pulling in the clutch? If you can remember that, you don't ride enough!!!

There, Now I'm trolling.  :haha:

Well what was the last time you thought about remembering to think about remembering to pull in the clutch?

:dribble:

uh...

...huh?

:lol:

 

[Windjammer]

As long as we're trolling.......

Have a look at the plethora of instructions in the neat little usage chart. This is the system they designed for people who can't remember to put their sidestand down before departing from the bike? :haha: Whatcha gonna do, laminate that and stick it to the top of the gas tank? I can see it now, Yamaha will have to set up a 24 hour cell phone hotline for people to call in and get step-by-step operating instructions so they can get home. On a positive note, the thing might save lives by keeping drunks from leaving the bar after one too many.

Kinduva neat bling thing, tho....

 

[GalaxyBlue]

And i guess there wont be any of this anymore

I'll keep my 05 thank you!

 

[madmike2]

The one real issue I have after reading the Yamaha information yesterday is will I be able to lift the front with just throttle? Definately wanted to be able to hotdog a little, now not so sure as you can't pop it.
I have read a couple other threads here suggesting it isn't that easy anyway to lift it and others saying no problem.

So guys, can you bring up the front with just throttle?

In a word......yes.

In a sentence........well, yes you can.

(er, uhm, so I've been told by a reliable source)

 

[twowheelnut]

Will someone 'splain this blurb from the chart...

Stopped in gear with engine off -  Try to push the bike  -  The bike will be in gear like any traditional manual transmission. However, if you turn the key on and pull the front brake, the clutch will disengage so that you can push the bike.

Er, not if I'm on the brake! :eh:

 

[ionbeam]

So guys, can you bring up the front with just throttle?

In a previous post I made kind of a tongue in cheek comment about doing wheelies off the line. That still remains undetermined with the AE. I run my bike at New England Dragway so how the AE would leave the line is of some interest to me.

As to wheelies while under way, piece of cake in the lower two gears on my '04. Once the tach is around 6k all I have to do is pop the throttle and voila, WHEELIES. B)

 

[rdfrantz]

It's good to fill in some of the information gaps. Thanks for the link.

I'm still amazed that Yamaha believes that we'd believe they's spend all that development money, and the cost of, "...and tested for several years with safety as a primary focus", just to prevent the Rampant, and Highly Dreaded, "Clutch Fatigue". C'mon.

And while they did address... uh... Operational Issues, they didn't say one thing about HOW it shfited. Particularly the manner of clutch engagement when one is doing the Super Sport Touring things the FJR gets marketed as doing.

They were even Vague about "normal" downshifting. They said, "Ya gotta do it". And they said, "It won't lettcha 'lock' the rear wheel." But hell, when DOES it "allow" downshits?

I want to know REAL stuff. Stuff that's related to Sport Touring !!

Here I am, up on Angeles Forrest Highway, just crossed The Bridge, doin' 90, headed for the left hander before The Tunnel. I WANT THIRD GEAR NOW!!! I'm gonna be doin' 77 in about 3/4 of a second, and gonna Roll In. Ya gonna let me, Mr. Yamaha Jr.?? Huh?

Is it Adaptive? What about Engine Speed Matching? It isn't connected to the throttle. But, does it "know" I've raised engine speed in anticpation of a down shift? It is going to "allow" the shift, and friggin' CO-OPERATE with me by "feathering" the cluch out for a smooth downshift? Like a REAL motorcycle?

Without sound - and highly predictable - operation at doing those kind of things, then the system truly, as Yamaha said, "... it is not for everyone."

Bet we can tell a whole lot more about the system simply by which magazines publish the first tests: City Bike, Rider or Sport Bike.

Best wishes.

 

[gRed04]

As to wheelies while under way, piece of cake in the lower two gears on my '04.  Once the tach is around 6k all I have to do is pop the throttle and voila, WHEELIES.   B)

That's what I was hoping to hear.

I think then ( at least hope ) the same should be true for the AE. Although it is a little longer and heavier so will have to wait and see.

 

[FJRSTAR]

"fatigue of operating the clutch"Never been fatigued by it?????

I never thought I would become fatigued, but I got stuck in bumper to bumper traffic for over thirty five minutes that was inching along due to a wreck that bottle-necked traffic from four lanes to two lanes. I was exhausted after that stint. The new FJR will help with that problem for sure.

 

[06FJRAEPILOT]

I'll troll more:
I truly believe that this system, while it certainly has its merits, is going for the person that doesn't know how to use a clutch and is scared to learn. Riding takes a certain level of confidence. The person that doesn't have the balls to learn how to use a clutch doesn't have the balls to be out in traffic on a bike. In other words, I expect insurance to go up as the auto shifters get more popular because scared people do stupid ****.

For those riders that bought the AE for performance reasons and coolness, I can dig it. I want one too, so I'm not talking to you.

Orangevallefjr, I have 29,000 miles of clutch pulling on my 05 fjr. What you been doing?

I can operate a clutch with the best of them and I ain't scared either!

My 06 AE model's been on order for a since last October.

 

[06FJRAEPILOT]

I mean, its not like we are getting any baseline on when the normal clutches go, as I have not yet heard of one that has. Modern wet clutches pretty much last indefinitely. Hard to improve on that, eh?

They did!

 

[Bike Effects]

The thought of a pushbutton shifter is appealing, but I really like to have the clutch. Having said that, I woke up a couple of weeks ago with an arthritic left hand. It hurt like a *****. I was hoping the pain would not last, which it did not, but if it had, I would be looking for an AE slot like crazy.

 

[06FJRAEPILOT]

As to wheelies while under way, piece of cake in the lower two gears on my '04.  Once the tach is around 6k all I have to do is pop the throttle and voila, WHEELIES.    B)

That's what I was hoping to hear.

I think then ( at least hope ) the same should be true for the AE. Although it is a little longer and heavier so will have to wait and see.

Just think how much higher you'll get on your wheelie with that extra inch and a half the AE affords!!

 

[gRed04]

Is it Adaptive? What about Engine Speed Matching? It isn't connected to the throttle. But, does it "know" I've raised engine speed in anticpation of a down shift? It is going to "allow" the shift, and friggin' CO-OPERATE with me by "feathering" the cluch out for a smooth downshift? Like a REAL motorcycle?

Yea, good question. I have to assume that a relationship between crank speed and trans gear could probably tell you if the tire will break traction or put the engine in danger of damage.

Not a Engineer so just a guess here.

If it does work ( well ) would be great because you wouldn’t be able to miss a gear on downshifting. Definitely a safety feature.

 

[OrangevaleFJR]

As to wheelies while under way, piece of cake in the lower two gears on my '04.  Once the tach is around 6k all I have to do is pop the throttle and voila, WHEELIES.   B)

That's what I was hoping to hear.

I think then ( at least hope ) the same should be true for the AE. Although it is a little longer and heavier so will have to wait and see.

if you have a cast on your arm preventing you from turning the throttle, you may have problems with wheelies. Otherwise, the 1300 will pick that front up and I don't care if the bike were 2 feet longer and 100 pounds heavier. 2 up, fully loaded my FJR throttle wheelies with ease. I think. I've never tried....really.

 

[OrangevaleFJR]

"fatigue of operating the clutch"Never been fatigued by it?????

I never thought I would become fatigued, but I got stuck in bumper to bumper traffic for over thirty five minutes that was inching along due to a wreck that bottle-necked traffic from four lanes to two lanes. I was exhausted after that stint. The new FJR will help with that problem for sure.

Oh yeah, I keep forgetting that some people have to wait in traffic jams. I hate to admit it, but there are some really nice things about California. I'm starting to really like this place (lane sharing prevents clutch exaustion)

 

[IanS]

Will someone 'splain this blurb from the chart...

Stopped in gear with engine off -  Try to push the bike  -  The bike will be in gear like any traditional manual transmission. However, if you turn the key on and pull the front brake, the clutch will disengage so that you can push the bike.

Er, not if I'm on the brake! :eh:

I think you will find if you release the brake the clutch will not re-engage as there is no throttle input to make it.

 

[tripletango]

I'll troll more:
I truly believe that this system, while it certainly has its merits, is going for the person that doesn't know how to use a clutch and is scared to learn. Riding takes a certain level of confidence. The person that doesn't have the balls to learn how to use a clutch doesn't have the balls to be out in traffic on a bike. In other words, I expect insurance to go up as the auto shifters get more popular because scared people do stupid ****.

For those riders that bought the AE for performance reasons and coolness, I can dig it. I want one too, so I'm not talking to you.

Here is a thought.

Think the opposite will happen. This is a more complex operation than using a manual clutch and will require quite a bit of learning. Using a clutch lever is positive in it's feel so is predictable in your mind. This is not a scooter trans where the whole lot is done for you.

 

[tripletango]

Will someone 'splain this blurb from the chart...

Stopped in gear with engine off -  Try to push the bike  -  The bike will be in gear like any traditional manual transmission. However, if you turn the key on and pull the front brake, the clutch will disengage so that you can push the bike.

Er, not if I'm on the brake! :eh:

Probably a good idea to release the brake, otherwise good for horizontal push up exercises in place!!!

 

[tripletango]

Is it Adaptive? What about Engine Speed Matching? It isn't connected to the throttle. But, does it "know" I've raised engine speed in anticpation of a down shift? It is going to "allow" the shift, and friggin' CO-OPERATE with me by "feathering" the cluch out for a smooth downshift? Like a REAL motorcycle?

Yea, good question. I have to assume that a relationship between crank speed and trans gear could probably tell you if the tire will break traction or put the engine in danger of damage.

Not a Engineer so just a guess here.

If it does work ( well ) would be great because you wouldn’t be able to miss a gear on downshifting. Definitely a safety feature.

It matches engine and wheel speeds on downshifts. Won't let you change if it will over rev the engine.