Yet another example of why half-helmets suck

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I had a similar incident to above. Would not have a chin/cheek/teeth on one side if not for a full-face.

When I got back into motorcycles in 2011 after years without I bought a Shadow and the guy threw in two half shells. I was silly enough to ride in one for a month or two before reinvesting in a new full face.

I now basically ride ATGATT (save for maybe over-pants on a rare occassion when commuting), and feel naked otherwise. In fact, I am actually somewhat stressed when not ATGATT.

Otherwise devestating crashes don't always have to be injurious with the right protection.

 
Read this one from top to bottom tonight. Made me think back to my own experiences and the failed invincibility syndrome I suffered from years ago. My first get-off should have been a non-event. Am inexperienced twenty-few year old locks the front wheel and turns an emergency stop into a lowside. Fortunately, someone had gifted me a full-face brain bucket but didn't instill enough wisdom in me to wear any other safety equipment. My noggin survived just fine, but I spent the next few hours in the ER tweezing gravel bits from my left arm, thigh and hip. I've since learned the benefits of proper riding gear, but had still somehow managed to hold on to my bad-*** leather half helmet.

Until tonight. I took John's lead and tossed it as well as that pretty pin-striped ladies model meant whomever was on the rear fender of my Warrior.

Let's not let our bad choices be "gifts" for others (well, unless it's for your ex's new BF). Toss that yarmulke!

 
ATGATT? the FIRST thing you need to throw away is your bike. That's the most dangerous "gear" you have. The only safe motorcycle is a parked motorcycle. Although helmets and pants and boots and jackets and gloves are nice illusions of safety, don't kid yourself.

That is all.

 
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Crashed my '81 Suzuki GS1100 two years after I bought it. Low sided at about 60 mph and ended up sliding face down for about 100 feet in the dirt and gravel along the side of the road. I was wearing a Simpson 'Darth Vader' full face thank God, which saved my face from looking like ground beef and only the bridge of my nose was bruised from my glasses being shoved into it. Funny though, I crashed on the race track once (low side) at about 60 mph and rolled a couple times when I hit the runoff, when I got a chance to examine my Shark RSi, not a mark on it, my head never touched the ground at all. So yeah, full face for me.

 
I was going to find that percentage impact zone picture. I show it to folks all the time when they say they wear a helmet and it turns out to be a dome or 3/4. I always ask them to tell me which way they face while riding. Next question is why then would the back of their head be the part that hits the ground????
I myself can speak clearly and chew my own food because my jaw was unexposed in my first crash.

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This pic brought back the memory of my one total-the-FJR crash I had outside Helena MT on the way to the first NAFO in '08. Very happy to say I was geared up all the way--Motoport kevlar mesh suit and a good Shoei helmet. Went off the road into a field of broken up granite rocks. Big, sharp, broken up pieces of granite the size of footballs and up. The bike was shredded, the Motoport was dusty and dirty and virtually undamaged, though my body was pretty much a single ugly purple bruise for the rest of the week (but zero blood loss or even abrasions).

But the helmet looked about like how Wfooshee's does here. Quite a few deep gouges in the mask and chin bar area, mostly. Gouges that deep in my face would barely have bled, but of course, if it was my face and not a hard, sturdy helmet, they wouldn't have been shallow gouges like these. They would have been a freaking horror show. Me for ATGATT!

By the way, "throwing away the bike" is not an option.

 
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On my very first motorcycle, I went down in pea gravel (driving too fast), and stuck my entire head through a cattle fence, breaking the wire, which closed back partially under my helmet. It left deep gashes all the way down the top and face of the helmet. That left a lasting impression, both on the helmet and on me. While I won't say I've never worn a half helmet, and I do own a couple of Bell Custom 500's, I just don't find them to be adequate for me for regular use. I don't ride with all the gear all the time. I ride with some of the gear all of the time, and all of the gear some of the time. But a full face helmet, usually in the form of a modular, is my preference. So much so that I usually have two in pristine condition at any time so I can alternate. My wife gets claustrophobic in helmets. So not only does she require a modular, she needs one with a big fat release so she can flip up the bar the second we pull up to the pump or into the garage. I know some intelligent folks who regularly wear half helmets, and who sometimes throw them in a saddlebag when they get to a state that does not require helmets. I don't get the lack of protection, but just as interesting for me- I don't understand how they stand the wind noise at highway speed.

 
You don't need to come off to benefit from a full-face helmet.

A tree overhanging the road chose the moment I was passing under it to drop a couple of branches. The one that hit my helmet was the smaller, only about an inch or so in diameter and 3 or 4 feet long. The other was much bigger, but missed.

Because I'd seen it coming I wasn't too phased, and continued with just a couple of scratches on my visor.

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Area of damage . . . . . . . . . . . . .Blow up of area



Oh, I couldn't swerve to avoid them, I was passing between a stationary car and the curb, and, had I tried to stop, the bigger one would have caught me.

A half-face would have meant the branch catching me right across my eyes, probably resulting in me coming off the bike.

(First "published" here.)

 
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Deleted post. Won't matter anyway and certainly don't want to jinx myself for this week's vacation ride.

 
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On a ride with several other forum members several years ago, I made the poor choice of high siding off of my FZ1 and landing face-first on Quincy-LaPorte Road. Fortunately I had previously decided to ALWAYS wear a full face helmet so I didn't end up with an uglier mug than I've naturally been blessed with. Besides suffering what I believe was a concussion (don't remember all the events that the running GoPro and photos detailed) and needing a new helmet I was none the for wear. Full face, all the time!
Didn't look so bad...

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There were lots of uglier things on that ride...

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You know, discussing ATGATT is usually a waste of time. I assume we're all adults and we've made up our minds.

I ride with non-ATGATT folks a lot, some from here, and just accept that it happens. I won't ride a red motorbike, but I'll ride with someone who does. Same thing.

 
Not surprisingly I disagree, Uncle H.

I don't think most riders actually put a lot of thought into gear. They buy once, usually to a price point (not a protection point) or an image. Oddly, they'll spend hours researching the details of exhausts, of sliders, of tires, heck even oil. But gear? Not much thought.

Now if they did the research if they looked at how crashes actually occur, where the impact areas were, looked at the statistics, I think they'd put a bunch more thought into this. Even then, however, there is a surprising lack of objective information out there about gear and how it is made, how it performs in a crash vs. other materials.

No, most decisions about gear are not based on actual consideration. They are based on anecdote, myth, bias, or belief. That's why a regular discussion of ATGATT is important, because it involves real riders telling real stories and relaying real experiences. I will grant you that the cruiser crowd would have more holdouts, more "adults who have made their own life choices" but I think for that crowd, the costume and style is a large part of that decision. It's not comfort - anyone who has ridden a few hundred miles in good gear understands it is WAY more comfortable than t-shirts and jeans, especially in the hot sun and dry wind.

I say that based on many, many discussions with folks on our own company motorcycle forum. When pushed, almost all of them admit to not knowing this information, and not being aware of anything more than a general sense of "you take risks when you ride without proper gear." But they don't actually know the risks in a manner to make an informed decision. When they have all the facts, presented in an objective manner without judgment, a very large percentage of riders change their habits.

I had two cruiser riders, for example, good friends that wear the costume when riding, and both of them changed their riding gear out when they saw the pix and details of my crash.

That's the kind of peer pressure we need more of, not less, Uncle H. I changed many of my own gear habits after BeamerReamer and his Missus' deer crash. After they were on the road to healing up from their injuries, Auburn FJR explained to many of us in the PNW crew about how Reamer's gear, while better than most, was not up to the task. How many of us reassessed our gear? With one or two exceptions (PNW crew, you know who you are), most of us upgraded our gear pretty quickly. We now have several crashes under our collective belts in the past several years (unfortunately), all caused by other drivers, and the gear has been instrumental in preventing more serious injury.

Auburn, if I hadn't said so yet, thanks. You saved my bacon by bringing up ATGATT.

 
I understand your perspective, Hudson, and honestly, I agree with you. However, the folks I talk with regularly are as entrenched in their opinion as a dog standing over a fresh bone. The subject is closed with them. Further discussion is counter-productive. Unfortunately, they will need a transformative event like your PNW group had.

If they are folks I haven't ridden with before, my conversation is usually something like, "You ride in jeans?"; "Have you ever gotten those boot laces hung up on your gear shift lever?"; and "I'm vain. If I go down, my face needs to be protected very, very well."

Socratic method as I strap, zip, velcro, and shimmy into my stuff. The Big Banana Aerostich always prolongs the conversation with non-ATGATT folks, especially when I'm ready to ride in 30 seconds.

(Note my avatar. Snell, baby.)

 
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Do you run the stich in the summer, or just in cooler months? (I already know you have head to toe Houdini mesh for truly hot riding). As I've noted elsewhere, once I arrived at an event with Hud and others. When we arrived, we were both wearing head to toe gear. I got off the bike and took my helmet off. When I turned around, Hud was standing there in shorts and a t-shirt, in boat shoes. I mean seconds man. I have newly procured quick-release mesh pants that I plan to rock on a trip to Robbinsville this Saturday. I may just wear shorts underneath...

 
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Do you run the stich in the summer, or just in cooler months? (I already know you have head to toe Houdini mesh for truly hot riding). As I've noted elsewhere, once I arrived at an event with Hud and others. When we arrived, we were both wearing head to toe gear. I got off the bike and took my helmet off. When I turned around, Hud was standing there in shorts and a t-shirt, in boat shoes. I mean seconds man. I have newly procured quick-release mesh pants that I plan to rock on a trip to Robbinsville this Saturday. I may just wear shorts underneath...
Hey, just consider yourself lucky he had shorts on underneath.

Thanks for the thread Hudson.

 
Bill Lumberg posted: Do you run the stich in the summer, or just in cooler months? (I already know you have head to toe Houdini mesh for truly hot riding). As I've noted elsewhere, once I arrived at an event with Hud and others. When we arrived, we were both wearing head to toe gear. I got off the bike and took my helmet off. When I turned around, Hud was standing there in shorts and a t-shirt, in boat shoes. I mean seconds man. I have newly procured quick-release mesh pants that I plan to rock on a trip to Robbinsville this Saturday. I may just wear shorts underneath...
Chuckle, chuckle.

I do wear the 'Stich in the summer, and almost always have it on for the kamikaze commute into Midtown. It can get quite warm below 20 mph. At faster speeds or below 80F, it's only a little warm. (No exaggeration; only a little warm.) Caveat: it's a Roadcrafter 3, which I understand has improved ventilation over previous versions.

Wearing shorts under mesh gear feels like you're riding half-naked. I liked it.

 
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I wrecked my first bike almost 30 years ago. The curve I was making didn't seem to correspond to the one the engineers designed in the road. Snapped that ball on the inside of your ankle (I had steel toe work shoes on- which ground almost through the steel toe and stopped). The rest of was me sliding on my head through someone's yard, right across my face area until I came to a stop. Lucky for me I had a full face Arai helmet on which stopped the need for someone in an ER picking stuff out of my face, thank goodness. I lost that bike in a divorce and never got another one, but always vowed after being in a cast up to my crotch for 6 weeks and then one to my knee for 6 more weeks that I'd never ride a bike without boots on, a full faced helmet, and the rest of the gear.

Several years ago, I was invited to go riding with a couple of guys. One Harley, one Gold Wing. I was being loaned a Harley to ride. I show up with boots, pants, jacket, full face helmet, and gloves with titanium knuckles on them. The Gold Wing guy was dressed just like me, except nicer
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The other guy was wearing a novelty helmet, a t-shirt, jeans, and just normal work boots. It was in July in the south. It was at least mid-90's, full sunshine. The guy on the Harley looked at me and said "Are we going riding motorcycles or snowmobiles?". I laughed it off and said "You've never been down before, have you?". He said "Nope, and don't plan on it".

"Don't plan on it". Yup, there's a strategy I had obviously missed over the years. Who knew it was all down to whether or not you planned on going down that day? Silly me.

Personally, I don't give a hoot what you wear or what you think is safe, or what level of risk you plan on taking. That's your business, but I also don't need approval of strangers at a stop light thinking whether or not I look like a bad ***.

 
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...I laughed it off and said "You've never been down before, have you?". He said "Nope, and don't plan on it"..."Don't plan on it". Yup, there's a strategy...
Yup, didn't plan on it, that's why they are called accidents ;)
I heard a Harley rider defending riding without a helmet with the statement "I've been down on the pavement 3 times and never hit my head because I know how to fall". At that time I had been down on the pavement 4 times without hitting my head but it didn't have anything to do with knowing how to fall....it was pure luck because my body was completely out of my control on every dismount.

I really don't care what those knuckle heads wear or don't wear but it's really upsetting when they put a child on their bikes with the same disregard for the child's safety.

 
Or their wife's safety. I love how pretty my wife is, and if she was disfigured in a crash, I would blame myself. Mine got the full magilla when she said she'd be ok to ride along - boots, helmet, gloves, pants and jacket. Funny, it does make her butt look fat because they haven't quite yet figured out how to make gear that fits women.

On the shorts issue - I prefer to wear gym shorts and t-shirts under the Motoport on a hot day. But when you slide a ways, the heat generated by the friction of your slide has to go somewhere. Guess where it transfers? Yep -your exposed skin. I wore bandages for about two weeks, but now I usually am wearing some of the very thin breathable cotton undershirts and thin cotton pants (either LD Ryder style or REI thin material cargo pants. No less hotter, but at least the friction burn can be easily prevented.

Good for you, Uncle H, giving your Harley pals grief. I still bug Mikey at the tavern, who actually has crashed his cruiser and still wears his beanie cap, but it won't change his mind.

I do a lot of activities with Steve McQueen's kid Chad. When he's out on the track, or even just in the canyons, no excuses. If you show up without proper gear, and if you ride like an ******, you're done - dis-invited and not welcome. He's hit the wall at 175 mph, and it was the gear that saved him from death (plus some very skilled doctors). It's a driver's and rider's code and if you feel otherwise, you're welcome to ride by yourself. It's highly effective at changing group behavior.

 
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