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Considering the options they offer for the STen flash it's a wonder they couldn't make the change for the CC limit. Once they're inside the code it wouldn't be that big a deal...
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HotRodZilla
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FWIW, I am not limpwristed, but was irritated that Yamaha added CC and then forced us to accept their limit. I don't have CC on my '07, but if I buy a bike with it, I want it to work the way I want. That is a big reason I never considered a '13. I am seriously considering a red '14 ES...BUT, the '07 has been paid for for a long time. Is the '14 nice enough to cut into my new truck fund? That's the question. Lol...
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I see a nicely restored '75 Datsun truck in your future.FWIW, I am not limpwristed, but was irritated that Yamaha added CC and then forced us to accept their limit. I don't have CC on my '07, but if I buy a bike with it, I want it to work the way I want. That is a big reason I never considered a '13. I am seriously considering a red '14 ES...BUT, the '07 has been paid for for a long time. Is the '14 nice enough to cut into my new truck fund? That's the question. Lol...I just gotta say
Its funny to me how for the last year the speed demons around here have been throwing it out there:
Come on some techy-type guy out there must have a way of busting me free of this snails-paced CC limit so that I can keep up with all the little ol ladies from Pasadena that are blowing past me at 120 MPH. Surely it cant be that hard.Im sure a 12-year-old kid with a souped-up Atari could do itcome onanybody....nobody?
And then when someone comes along saying Yup, we can do that you hear Whoanobody without a Ph.D. in computer science is going anywhere near my ECU!
Afterall, red and hotrods are a natural pairing. I don't expect you to ride into SW-FOG next year on anything less than a '14.
Redfish Hunter
Gone Fishing
What new truck? I thought you wanted to buy a Ford! I didn't think they made real trucks. As for you not being limpwristed...
I have said it before but I will say it again. Never in any of my motorcycle riding did I ever see a need for a CC that worked above 75mph.
UNTIL!!! I took a ride on the West Side of the Mississippi River. In those wide open spaces I would be furious if my CC limited me in any way. As long as I am in the Eastern Half of the United States, things are different. I still do not understand Yamaha's logic with the limit and I am still irritated just on general principle.
garyahouse
newbs need the forum
A couple simple fixes: why not simply disable/remove the CC and drop an AVCC into the bike... problem solved.
Or perhaps a throttle lock? During those very few times when ya gotta have a few more MPH, it'll do the job. Granted, not as WELL as a CC, but do ya really care if the bike varies it's speed from 97 to 103?
Consider this:
Most guys appreciate cruise because you can hold a certain speed for a REASON... like running about 7 or 8 over to travel at maximum speed with minimum risk of a ticket. You know I'm right. The CC is significantly better than a throttle lock because of this; it holds speed accurately. However, at higher speeds, yer not concerned with holding an exact speed to avoid a ticket. The higher speed made that decision for you. So who cares if your speed control system is dead accurate when yer travellin' at triple digits?
Of course non of us would want to break the law intentionally. I'd hate to have to meet up with Hotrodzilla while he was ON duty.
Gary
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Or perhaps a throttle lock? During those very few times when ya gotta have a few more MPH, it'll do the job. Granted, not as WELL as a CC, but do ya really care if the bike varies it's speed from 97 to 103?
Consider this:
Most guys appreciate cruise because you can hold a certain speed for a REASON... like running about 7 or 8 over to travel at maximum speed with minimum risk of a ticket. You know I'm right. The CC is significantly better than a throttle lock because of this; it holds speed accurately. However, at higher speeds, yer not concerned with holding an exact speed to avoid a ticket. The higher speed made that decision for you. So who cares if your speed control system is dead accurate when yer travellin' at triple digits?
Of course non of us would want to break the law intentionally. I'd hate to have to meet up with Hotrodzilla while he was ON duty.
Gary
darksider #44
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Redfish Hunter
Gone Fishing
Gary, while I agree with part of what you are saying, I cannot agree with all of it. As wonderful as the Gen3 bikes are, other than CC why would most of us need to upgrade from a Gen2 to a Gen3? If I am going to spend the money for a new motorcycle that already has CC, then I have to spend more to install an aftermarket CC, I would just as soon buy another bike made by someone else.
The next thing is that with some of the speed limits Out West, your 2013 CC would be maxed out just to get to the Speed Limit. It would not be capable of exceeding it.
Again, so far the 82 mph limit would affect me less than 1% of my time. But, that could change.
The next thing is that with some of the speed limits Out West, your 2013 CC would be maxed out just to get to the Speed Limit. It would not be capable of exceeding it.
Again, so far the 82 mph limit would affect me less than 1% of my time. But, that could change.
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garyahouse
newbs need the forum
Good point Fish. However I'm guessing that most of the guys doing the REAL groaning about 2013 CC's are owners, not droolers contemplating a purchase. Concerning the upgrade question, well put. Yer preachin' to the choir; I'm a Gen 1 rider and refuse to upgrade... Ole Bessy is runnin' jist fine, she's paid for, my throttle lock will do, and I just happen to like blue. And for most riders (this is a BIG country), that 'less than 1%' comment you made is true as well. The CC limit's most likely not nearly as much of a factor for most as it might appear to be on this thread. Which brings me to this thought, just like the little warning we used to see on mirrors: objects on this forum are smaller than they appear... (oops - intentional word butchering).
Gary
Reasons to upgrade to the Gen III, specifically the MY14, ES option, inverted forks, it's RED, nice instrumentation-gauges, Gen III is much easier to put on the centerstand-(if that matters to some, it is easier for sure.)
Cruise max speed setting, I agree, for me, the 82 mph limit would have been fine, but I guess I'll have to somehow live with the 100mph capability.
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RaYzerman19
Go Wings!
What the heck are you guys doing on boring roads that make you ride over 80...... sheesh....... and if you're west of the Mississipi, wouldn't it be only for 1 day until you get to the good roads?
Reason to upgrade to a '13 or '14 is the throttle by wire..... and hopefully getting rid of that off-on throttle lurch.
Reason to upgrade to a '13 or '14 is the throttle by wire..... and hopefully getting rid of that off-on throttle lurch.
CopB8
Well-known member
Uh......Just because some of you don't have a need, or desire, to set the cruise above 80 doesn't mean there's not a lot of us who do. Obviously Yamaha thought there was some type of need otherwise they wouldn't have bothered changing it.
People live in different environments and enjoy different interactions with their bikes. I personally am amazed there are people who buy this high speed capable tourer and then say they never go over 80. That seems like a waste of resources to me, but who cares what I think if you enjoy it in that manner.
I'm going to push the ECU folks to consider changing the CC limit on their existing flash. If those of you who'd spend good money to have that, and are willing to risk life and limb by having an aftermarket flash, send me a PM so I can tell them the sales potential.
People live in different environments and enjoy different interactions with their bikes. I personally am amazed there are people who buy this high speed capable tourer and then say they never go over 80. That seems like a waste of resources to me, but who cares what I think if you enjoy it in that manner.
I'm going to push the ECU folks to consider changing the CC limit on their existing flash. If those of you who'd spend good money to have that, and are willing to risk life and limb by having an aftermarket flash, send me a PM so I can tell them the sales potential.
garyahouse
newbs need the forum
You said a lot of things in that post, but I'd like to respond to these. You live in Texas... the land of 80 mph speed limits. Yall live in a different world than most of us, and you make a valid point for the population of the Lone Star State, which I just looked up. Texas contains roughly 15% of the people in the US. The 80mph limit seems doubly stupid for you fine folks.
However, that said, most of us are stuck with speed limits most of the time, even the good people of Texas. And most of us spend precious little time on the slab. That said, you see my point. It's just not that big of a deal for most. But not for ALL, as you pointed out... and of course you are right about that.
You went on to say, "never go over 80." I can't speak for everybody, but I'm sure most do indeed go over 80, some for many miles, but most (like me) only briefly. Too brief to even set a CC.
I like what you said about "waste of time and resources." But for me, my "high speed capable touring," as you put it, all takes place at speeds under 80. And for WIW, the FJR is far more capable than my limited skills.
Just my 2 cents worth.
Gary
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Bungie
FrostBack #2 - IBA # 44620
This.
Touring mode does an awesome job of taming the FI's herky-jerky nature. WarChild mentioned in a previous post that he believes the reason for his phenomenal OEM tread life was solely because of Touring mode. I believe it. I'm over 6000 miles on mine and they are only now showing signs of wear and a fair bit of that mileage was 2 up. I fully expect to get 8-10 K miles of out of the stock BT's.
I almost have to try to be ham-handed to get the 13's FI to misbehave in touring mode. Low speed twisties in touring mode is a treat. I've learned in the last couple of years that throttle control is 'the grail' for being a smooth rider. Touring mode makes me look damn good!
... and then you flip it into Sport mode and you'll have the biggest **** eating grin EVER.
I don't doubt for a second that my superior Gen 1 has more performance potential than the Gen3. Lighter weight and gearing. But honking on the Gen3 will change your mind in a big hurry. I'm absolutely sure the Gen 1 is 'hazing' the back tire on WFO, especially in 1st and 2nd gear.
The Traction Control on the 13 is having none of that and does an incredible job of putting max power down on the ground. My butt dyno says the 13 accelerates noticeably harder than the Gen 1. The only time I've ever felt the Gen1 accelerate as hard as the Gen3 is when I was running a CT. It flat out puts the power on the ground. To bad the other side affects suck
So ya, *THE* reason to buy a Gen3 is the throttle by wire. The benefits are both tangible and financial (imagine getting 30-50% longer wear out of your tires, so long as your willing to live in touring mode except for absolute balls out blasts)
AKjitsu
Well-known member
Smooths out the power delivery. Adds a few HP and Ft. Lbs. Mellows out the nasty-*** on/off throttle lurch that seems to be endemic to Yamahas. Optionally, eases up the engine braking; which I find to be excessive for slippery conditions. For the Tenere' guys it tosses the silly power restrictions in first, second, and third gears.
stevec677
Well-known member
Why does Yamaha like painting the center section (the piece that says FJR) and the piece on the back of the tank silver? I think the bike would look much better in one solid color. I like the red better then the color of my '13, but I can't get over the two color thing. Oh, and the cost to upgrade from a '13
to a '14.
to a '14.
beemerdons
Certifiable Old Fart
https://www.compacc.com/p/throttlemeister-cruise-control-yamaha-fjr1300-01-09 The easy solution to the 80mph limit on my 2013 was a Throttlemeister, I have been using them on my Yamaha's and Beemers since 1995 with great success. They are not as slick as a Factory Cruise Control, but get the job done on the Interstates!
$155 at Competition Accessories with free shipping for the Heavy Size Standard, other finish and weight options are available for your FJR eh!
$155 at Competition Accessories with free shipping for the Heavy Size Standard, other finish and weight options are available for your FJR eh!
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MCRIDER007
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Since you still have your 04 you should do a simple test to confirm your butt dyno. Measure the increase in speed between 2 fixed points and compare the 04, 13 tour mode, and 13 sport mode. I would use either 4th or 5th gear and start at 50-60mph.I don't doubt for a second that my superior Gen 1 has more performance potential than the Gen3. Lighter weight and gearing. But honking on the Gen3 will change your mind in a big hurry. I'm absolutely sure the Gen 1 is 'hazing' the back tire on WFO, especially in 1st and 2nd gear.
The Traction Control on the 13 is having none of that and does an incredible job of putting max power down on the ground. My butt dyno says the 13 accelerates noticeably harder than the Gen 1. The only time I've ever felt the Gen1 accelerate as hard as the Gen3 is when I was running a CT. It flat out puts the power on the ground. To bad the other side affects suck
I've already done it in 5th gear starting at 60mph and compared the '13 to a 08 and a C14.......the results were not what I expected.
Bungie
FrostBack #2 - IBA # 44620
beemerdons
Certifiable Old Fart
Many thanks to you Bungie, now it is perfectly clear to me why I have never seen a Canadian buy anyone a drink or a meal! jes' sayin' and nuff said!
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Bungie
FrostBack #2 - IBA # 44620
2 things.
It'll have to wait until spring. We've had snow the past couple days up here :/
Your test won't be testing the TC, just over all performance. I would expect the Gen 1 to beat the Gen 3 in this test (as mentioned, lighter weight and gearing, assuming the engine is in good operating condition and at 100,000 miles, it's likely not).
My butt dyno says both bikes are similar in 3rd/4th/5th gear WFO's.
It'll have to wait until spring. We've had snow the past couple days up here :/
Your test won't be testing the TC, just over all performance. I would expect the Gen 1 to beat the Gen 3 in this test (as mentioned, lighter weight and gearing, assuming the engine is in good operating condition and at 100,000 miles, it's likely not).
My butt dyno says both bikes are similar in 3rd/4th/5th gear WFO's.
Bungie
FrostBack #2 - IBA # 44620
Well after being taxed to death, and having everything from shoe laces to hookers costing more up here, and then spending nearly $20G's for a Gen3.. its understandable.
By the way, I still carry one of these in my glovebox of the Gen 3. Just in case.
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