2014 FJR1300 Cruise Control. ......

[mk2wilson]

Skooter, give us your thoughts on the FZ-09!

 

[CA G-Man]

Well after being taxed to death, and having everything from shoe laces to hookers costing more up here, and then spending nearly $20G's for a Gen3.. its understandable.

Yep, those shoe laces are going to be the death of me.

 

[Bounce]

People live in different environments and enjoy different interactions with their bikes. I personally am amazed there are people who buy this high speed capable tourer and then say they never go over 80. That seems like a waste of resources to me, but who cares what I think if you enjoy it in that manner.

Good point. There are plenty of HDs that would work within that constraint.

 

[Bungie]

Well after being taxed to death, and having everything from shoe laces to hookers costing more up here, and then spending nearly $20G's for a Gen3.. its understandable.

Yep, those shoe laces are going to be the death of me.

You must be a hooker

 

[HotRodZilla]

People live in different environments and enjoy different interactions with their bikes. I personally am amazed there are people who buy this high speed capable tourer and then say they never go over 80. That seems like a waste of resources to me, but who cares what I think if you enjoy it in that manner.

Good point. There are plenty of HDs that would work within that constraint.

That's not a good point at all. Some of us like to travel across the country to go to things like EOM, WFO, The Ruben Run, Wheaton's Camping Trips, NERDS etc...But we still have jobs and limited time off. So, when I'm on my way to a lot of these things, I take the fastest way there and the fastest way home. A CC with an 80 MPH limit is crazy on the open freeways. Hell, between here and Oregon, the only freeway I did was from Albuquerque to Kingman. Aside from the awesome mountian rides we did in California, much of the rest of the ride was 4 land highway in the middle of nowhere with big speed limits.

Just because some of you guys live in congested areas in the eastern US and rarely leave those areas does not mean the rest of us don't use the bikes for what they were intended. I use mine on the freeway, open roads and twisties. Running CC from TN to NM would sure make my life easier because I could set the speed and not have to look every few seconds to see if I'm going too fast or too slow. That being said, Gary's assertion that at high speeds, a few miles per hour doesn't matter is wrong. If the speed limit is 75 and I want to go 84 to help prevent a ticket, a 1-2 MPH increase may mean a $200 citation.

 

[garyahouse]

That being said, Gary's assertion that at high speeds, a few miles per hour doesn't matter is wrong. If the speed limit is 75 and I want to go 84 to help prevent a ticket, a 1-2 MPH increase may mean a $200 citation.

Z:

Can you spell "L-U-G-H-E-A-D"? You might recall that the 1-2 mph error in speed is something I alluded to here CLICKY when I said (quoted below):

Consider this:

Most guys appreciate cruise because you can hold a certain speed for a REASON... like running about 7 or 8 over to travel at maximum speed with minimum risk of a ticket. You know I'm right. The CC is significantly better than a throttle lock because of this; it holds speed accurately. However, at higher speeds, yer not concerned with holding an exact speed to avoid a ticket. The higher speed made that decision for you. So who cares if your speed control system is dead accurate when yer travellin' at triple digits?

Of course non of us would want to break the law intentionally. I'd hate to have to meet up with Hotrodzilla while he was ON duty."

ZILLA,

I want you to report to the principal's office after class. You need to read ALL of the assignment before you start runnin' that mouth. I'm recommending no donuts for a week to help you learn your lesson.

Don't cha love Fridays? Your turn.

Gary

darksider

#44

 

[Redfish Hunter]

I don't know if we are all communicating properly here.

I live in the Eastern U.S. and never need CC to work over 80mph. I frequently ride faster than that but have no need for a CC that works above that.

HOWEVER! My limited experience out West has taught me that an 80 mph limit is ridiculous. I would never be happy if I knew I was limited by such a ridiculous and useless mistake.

 

[Wlfman]

 

[HotRodZilla]

However, at higher speeds, yer not concerned with holding an exact speed to avoid a ticket. The higher speed made that decision for you. So who cares if your speed control system is dead accurate when yer travellin' at triple digits?

Hey darksider #44...Do you remember writing the above sentences? My comprehension is fine as that was the flawed logic I was referring to. Even at high speed, one (me) wants to be accurate as much as possible.

 

[Bounce]

Given the states (by Sq Miles) "out west" with 75+ mph limits, the cc is all about holding steady at higher speeds. Drifting underneath the limit is fine but crest a hill and start picking up speed and you run in the very real risk of lower (or no) tolerances that exist as posted limits go up.

The thought process of LEOs I've talked to can be paraphrased as, "You want(ed) higher speed limits? Here they are. Don't try and creep up above those and get the same 'wink' that you got when we both agreed the lower limits weren't reasonable."

So throttle locks become even less effective as posted limits go up.

 

[HotRodZilla]

^^^^^Hence less "tolerance" at high speeds.

 

[RaYzerman19]

Yamaha HAS to have a way to flash the '13 bike ECU's to do this. I'll happily pay a few hundred dollars to get that fix.

Why do you say that? They haven't ever flashed the ECU's of any previous model before that I've ever heard of. In fact, they REPLACED computers on the '06/07 Altitude issue. You would think if they had the ability to flash computers--they would have done it then.

I suppose its technically possible the Gen 3 computers are different, however I'll bet against it. I vaguely remember a discussion years past that the computers are not flashable as well.

And what would the petition say? "I knew when I bought my '13 that the cruise limit was 80 mph, but now that you are selling a '14 with a higher limit I want you to replace my computer for free....or I'll hold my breath!"

Maybe you should go price a '12 and '13 computer from an online source. If cost-effective--I would think a '14 computer would run the same price and possibly replace the '13 computer. As a Gen 3 owner you might want to do this legwork....I think the forum would be thankful.

They certainly have the ability to flash ECU, but maybe not the desire. People are flashing the Super Tenere ECU's all the time using the standard port and flash tools. The FJR has the same ECU port so I can't see why a flash isn't possible. If Yamaha doesn't do it, and I doubt they will, I hope some of the more educated out there can't work it out and create a flash.

And ECUNLEASHED has a flash for the FJR's. Let's hope Mamayama does the right thing; inasmuch as they have tacitly admitted that the 80 MPH limit was an error.

I still wouldn't hold your breath on the last one.

That said, you may be right that it's possible, but searching previous discussion on that particular company it does seem possible. I stand corrected.

I do find it curious that nobody (in 2 or 3 threads on this forum) has or know somebody who has used their service.

Maybe since you've got a '13 you want to go talk with the company and see if they want to extend their offering beyond just 2005-2009.

I'd never heard of ECUUNLEASHED. I just logged onto their site and sent them an inquiry. I'm hoping if they come up with a flash it'll include the CC limit change and remove the HP stops in the first 3 gears.

I think we should take this to a separate discussion... so I'll start another thread. It is worthy of a separate topic for sure, to fix FI issues on these bikes. The fuel cut-off/cut-on is the bigger issue for me. ECUunleashed or Ivan's Performance have been around a while......

 

[Lowcountry Joe]

I can definitely see that out west, on some of those stretches, there's not much scenery change and getting to the next good thing to look at or do is a priority. So it's good to see the CC limit change for sure. Of course here in the east, unless you are on one of the interstates, it's a moot issue. And even then, the interstates are so congested that it gets really risky really quick when traveling much over 85. But whatever the task, the FJR is up to it.

 

[garyahouse]

However, at higher speeds, yer not concerned with holding an exact speed to avoid a ticket. The higher speed made that decision for you. So who cares if your speed control system is dead accurate when yer travellin' at triple digits?

Hey darksider #44...Do you remember writing the above sentences? My comprehension is fine as that was the flawed logic I was referring to. Even at high speed, one (me) wants to be accurate as much as possible.

AJ

After reading your response and listening to your logic, both the principal and I agree that we are going to defer to a higher authority. You sir have been blessed with a house full of brilliant ladies. From the amazing and highly educated Mrs. AJ right down to perhaps the brightest 5 year old little girl I've ever met, you are surrounded by brilliance. If you would consider reading the dialogue to them, perhaps they can render a judgement here.

We also discussed the possibility of deferring this disagreement to the forum, but I would have to agree with the principal in that the forum can't handle this on a weekend. Anybody with enough intelligence to hear this case is out riding.... or (for you northern boys) busy shovellin' snow.

Youstilldabest,

Gary

darksider #44

 

[beemerdons]

^^^^^Hence less "tolerance" at high speeds.

Brother Gary, arguing with our HotRodZilla is just like teaching a Pig how to sing, it is a total and complete waste of your time: Plus, it annoys the living Hell out of the Pig!

 

[mcatrophy]

^^^^^Hence less "tolerance" at high speeds.

Brother Gary, arguing with our HotRodZilla is just like teaching a Pig how to sing, it is a total and complete waste of your time: Plus, it annoys the living Hell out of the Pig!

It's not very polite to call a policeman a pig.

 

[RaYzerman19]

You can put lipstick on a pig, but you can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear.

 

[garyahouse]

^^^^^Hence less "tolerance" at high speeds.

Brother Gary, arguing with our HotRodZilla is just like teaching a Pig how to sing, it is a total and complete waste of your time: Plus, it annoys the living Hell out of the Pig!

Hope you got cher life insurance paid up...

 

[beemerdons]

^^^^^Hence less "tolerance" at high speeds.

Brother Gary, arguing with our HotRodZilla is just like teaching a Pig how to sing, it is a total and complete waste of your time: Plus, it annoys the living Hell out of the Pig!

It's not very polite to call a policeman a pig.

You are so right, I meant to say El Pendejo Grande Puto y Chingasa Cabron *******o el Puerco!

FOOTNOTE: It was a joke Dude and you can easily substitute Armadillo or Burro for Pig, I've been on the phone twice already today discussing NM and other items with AJ 'Zilla (we talk almost weekly, ese!).

 

[beemerdons]

^^^^^Hence less "tolerance" at high speeds.

Brother Gary, arguing with our HotRodZilla is just like teaching a Pig how to sing, it is a total and complete waste of your time: Plus, it annoys the living Hell out of the Pig!

Hope you got cher life insurance paid up...

Trust me, it will be a Cold Day in Hell when an Irish-Mexican runs scared of a Mexican-Irishman! jes' sayin' and nuff said!

FOOTNOTE: It was a joke Dude and you can easily substitute Armadillo or Burro for Pig, I've been on the phone twice already today discussing NM and other items with AJ 'Zilla (we talk almost weekly, ese!).