06 AE auto enabled finger clicker

Rickster · Jul 28, 2006

Anyone been able to figure out how to enable the paddle shifter on an AE model on power-up without having to push the enable button?

I forget to turn it on (generall leave the bike in 1st), and flick/click away to get in 2nd only to realize I didn't enable the finger shifter. duh...

Rickster · Jul 29, 2006

someone has to have pondered this, and tried to figure it out... comeon now -- either that, or everyone's in Reno...

EDIT: Wiring Diagram added:

Looks like it's the switch labeled 108 by "Push" Wire should be Br/L, unsure if you tie it to 12V or what.

tripletango · Jul 29, 2006

rhulcher said:
someone has to have pondered this, and tried to figure it out... comeon now -- either that, or everyone's in Reno...

Yup we are in Reno and having a great time!

not sure how that can be wired unless you use the same source as the foot lever for power.

wallypiper · Jul 30, 2006

What's 58?

If its a chip, chances are all three of those switches are digital inputs and not tied directly to the 12v electrical system. You could try shorting the two wires (B/L and Br/L) together and see what happens. If it doesn't do the trick, then you are looking at a firmware issue in the chip. It may be set up to ignore all inputs on power up until all three are off. What happens if you make the shift up and shift down buttons at the same time? Um, might fry something so I refuse any responsibility, but you would think that if its possible to do that, it won't hurt anything.

If 58 is just a connector, pretty much the same suggestion. It is highly unlikely that shorting those two wires together can do any damage, regardless of the status of the bike - on, off, running, in gear, not - since they had to allow for the possiblity of the button being pushed at any time.

Constant Mesh · Jul 30, 2006

An old-school method would be to add a small control relay.

Connect a normally open contact from the relay in parallel with switch 108 (enable pushbutton) -- wires Br/L & B/L.

Connect the relay coil in parallel with the starter motor relay coil (device 10) -- wires R/W & L/W.

When you press the starter pushbutton and all start conditions are valid the engine would crank and the paddle shifter system would be toggled 'on'. When you release the starter pushbutton the starter relay and relay you added would drop out.

Two negatives of this scheme are:

-- you stop the engine but don't switch off the ignition. When you restart the engine the paddle shifter system would be toggled 'off' from it previous 'on' condition. This would probably be a somewhat rare circumstance.

-- The engine doesn't start during the first crank and you have to crank again. Each time you press the start pushbutton the shifter system would be toggled from its previous 'off' or 'on' condition.

wallypiper · Jul 30, 2006

How does the button work?

Can you disable the shift buttons by pressing it again? Does the button latch mechanically, like the E-flasher button? Or does it make a momentary contact every time you press it?

Rickster · Jul 30, 2006

wallypiper said:
How does the button work?Can you disable the shift buttons by pressing it again? Does the button latch mechanically, like the E-flasher button? Or does it make a momentary contact every time you press it?

The button is a momentarty contact that latches the circuit. For normal operation, key-off reset it. Key on, and the finger shifter light is off (and you can't finger shift) until you press the button -- then the light comes on and you can finger shift -- push it again turns it off etc. as long as you're keyed on. as soon as you key off - it resets to off.

Clark Kent · Jul 30, 2006

rhulcher said:
Anyone been able to figure out how to enable the paddle shifter on an AE model on power-up without having to push the enable button?
I forget to turn it on (generall leave the bike in 1st), and flick/click away to get in 2nd only to realize I didn't enable the finger shifter. duh...

The bigger question is: How do you use the paddle shifter without getting it all smelly? Just think where those fingers have been!

Constant Mesh · Jul 30, 2006

The B/L wire is at ground potential. It connects to the grounded return bus at the negative terminal of the battery.

The on/off toggle momentary pushbutton latches or unlatches the paddle enable circuit. When the ignition is switched off the circuit unlatches.

When you press the pushbutton the circuit is grounded until the button is released.

Who can say whether it's OK to have it (wire Br/L) grounded all the time. It may or may not work OK. Device 55 (YCC-S MCU) is a black box. We can't look inside.

afterburn · Jul 30, 2006

What you need to do this easy and quickly is a "Single Shot Time Delay Relay", which you can hook up to your low beam.

After you start the bike, the lights come on and the power is send to the relay. This will engage the relay and start the timer. After the timer end, the relay is disengaged. The time is only reset when the power is cut from the relay, effectively when you turn off the ignition.

Very easy to hook up and it basically just pushes the button momentarely for you.

How pricey (or not) these relays are, I don't know. Example of a relay like this: PRLS1110 from ABB.

qmotion · Jul 30, 2006

My curiosity after reading all this is what's the purpose. How lazy can you be not want to push the button to activate the shifter. We have to push buttons to shift. The topic would make more sense if it was asked if anyone figured out how to make the motorcyle shift automatically with out pushing any buttons at all. Not to HiJack the thread but can another ECU be inserted in that wiring diagram so the bike drives by itself? I'm just having a hard time figuring out what the purpose would serve.

If your not drunk you should be able to find the paddle shift activation button. BTW Don't drink and drive!!!

wallypiper · Jul 31, 2006

Yep, the ss (also called an interval timer) relay would do it. And the headlight would be a good source. Its off until the engine starts on the FJR isn't it? Relay would probably cost no more than $30. And the answer to the lazy question is that he said he just forgets. Yamaha has decided that the default condition should be disabled and he wants the default to be enabled. OTOH, the kickstand switches on both my SV and VFR are disabled (for easy stand removal for track days) so I have made "stand check" an ingrained part of starting the bike. Even do it on the FJR. As soon as my butt hits the saddle, I stand the bike up and lift the stand. Every time. Its like cinching the chin strap, just part of mounting up. So remembering to push that button could just as easily become a thoughtless habit. Or put in the relay. I don't see that it would hurt anything.

qmotion · Jul 31, 2006

It definately won't hurt as much as taking off with the kickstand down that's for sure. Just as youhave to develope the habit of doing the kick stand check I find it just as simple to engage the handle shifter after I start the bike. I've forgotten to activate the sifter my self. It doesn't take long to realize it......lol. It's a mental thing for sure. For some it can just be an exercise in farkling. For me I think I'll just develope the habit of pushing the button as I always double check to make sure the kick stand is up. <_<

tripletango · Jul 31, 2006

qmotion said:
It definately won't hurt as much as taking off with the kickstand down that's for sure. Just as youhave to develope the habit of doing the kick stand check I find it just as simple to engage the handle shifter after I start the bike. I've forgotten to activate the sifter my self. It doesn't take long to realize it......lol. It's a mental thing for sure. For some it can just be an exercise in farkling. For me I think I'll just develope the habit of pushing the button as I always double check to make sure the kick stand is up. <_<

yea just push the dam button. BTW i never use the rear thumb pusher just use the finger on the front part of the flipper

I am still trying to break the habit of kicking the gear lever all the way down to get into first! Click click rev rev and we go nowhere! The bottom detent being neutral on the AE. Then get it into first and try to catch up by opening the throttle too fast --- woaaa boys look out wheelie here we come!

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