2025 FJR Speculation

We will know soon; I think last model year was announced in November.
But if we are speculating, my bet is that there will be an updated TFT display, maybe a cosmetic change in the instrument panel and/or the plastic bits, and likely radar cruise control and a $700 price increase.

dlowrey said:

We will know soon; I think last model year was announced in November.
But if we are speculating, my bet is that there will be an updated TFT display, maybe a cosmetic change in the instrument panel and/or the plastic bits, and likely radar cruise control and a $700 price increase.

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I would like to think it will be back as a revamped Gen V, but I think you will see at best a different color.

dlowrey said:

We will know soon; I think last model year was announced in November.
But if we are speculating, my bet is that there will be an updated TFT display, maybe a cosmetic change in the instrument panel and/or the plastic bits, and likely radar cruise control and a $700 price increase.

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You're 100% right about the announcement month. It's been November for the past five years....usually the last half of the month.

But the model hasn't changed significantly since 2016 and since Yamaha has long announced the retirement of the FJR the concensus has been they're selling out remaining supply and wouldn't seem likely they'd update things like a TFT or cruise. Also, the MSRP has only gone up since 2016 by $300 and that was two years of bigger inflation during COVID. If an increase I'd wager $100.

HOWEVER, if this ends up being the last year in North America....I hope it's an 'Ultimate Edition' instead and can expect a price adjustment.

Yes please, I'll take a black/gold "Ultimate Addition". Otherwise...likely just S-O-G or going out on a limb now, B-N-G!

~G

The FJR has a bleak future based upon international emissions regulations. I think it is only available in North America, and for how long? Possibly other markets, but certainly not what is needed to sustain it long term. The Super Ténéré is pretty much in the same boat with respect to emissions legislation (Euro 5). Both are great bikes but the combination of emissions regulations and lack of continued development by Yamaha has led to their senescence as premier motorcycles in high demand. Don't know if I would buy a new one (FJR or S10) at this point if my current FJR broke...

I think what Yamaha has to do is follow BMW's lead and come out with a 1300-ish CC engine that can meet the Euro 5 specs and build a Sport Touring/Adventure bike around it that is completely new. Shaft drive, triple cylinder, 150-160 HP, modern electronics, decent TFT display, 25 litre (minimum) gas tank, runs on regular gas, advanced cruise control, practical hard luggage options, a seat that doesn't make me cry, tubeless spoked wheels, and a stock (ES) suspension that doesn't suck. Make it under 600 lb, and put some decent protection on it and they would have a winner. I don't care as much about aesthetics, but could get interested in a modern, Yamaha-built, adventure-capable sport-tourer with an appropriate set of amenities. If it looked good, so much the better. It will, of course, be more expensive than the FJR, but keep it out of the stratospheric price range of a fully equipped R1300GS or GSA.

Take a year off from selling either FJR or S10 and then introduce this as a flagship model.

Oh, make a service manual available along with access to OBD2 diagnostics. (BMW's policy of not making service manuals or even some service specifications available does not sit well with me!)

dlowrey said:

We will know soon; I think last model year was announced in November.
But if we are speculating, my bet is that there will be an updated TFT display, maybe a cosmetic change in the instrument panel and/or the plastic bits, and likely radar cruise control and a $700 price increase.

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How much do you want to bet?

RossKean said:

triple cylinder,

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I get the fuel and emissions advantages of 3 vs 4 but I don't know that I'd want a triple in a long-distance application. A lot of people complained about the buzziness in the existing 4 cylinder FJR engine -- and it has dual balance shafts. A triple may have theoretically perfect primary balance, but that advantage is more than offset by the inherent rocker imbalance.

IMHO.

torch said:

I get the fuel and emissions advantages of 3 vs 4 but I don't know that I'd want a triple in a long-distance application. A lot of people complained about the buzziness in the existing 4 cylinder FJR engine -- and it has dual balance shafts. A triple may have theoretically perfect primary balance, but that advantage is more than offset by the inherent rocker imbalance.

IMHO.

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Depends on the engine, I guess. Whatever they choose, I don't think it will be an in-line four. Obviously all idle speculation - I'm not holding my breath that Yamaha will come up with anything new in this genre anytime in the near future. They are currently listing the Tracer 9 GT+ on their sport-touring page along with the FJR (both 2024). Hopefully this isn't the heir-apparent.

Edit: They use the cross-plane crank 890 triple in the Tracer 9GT and it seems to get good marks. I can see an upsized version going in a revamped FJR/Super Tenere adventure sport-tourer.

Folks, as far as Yamaha is concerned the FJR is zombie - dead but barely lives on. Zero dollars are going for R&D. Nothing new besides color will come any year they still build the FJR. Be happy that it has lasted this long in North America as they can build them for cheap with all the R&D and other fixed costs paid for. Based on all the 2023s that didn't sell, I am worried in the near term of the FJR still being produced.

The future of the Yamaha sports tourer is the Tracer 9 GT. That is where they are putting their R&D and marketing $$$.

SkooterG said:

Folks, as far as Yamaha is concerned the FJR is zombie - dead but barely lives on. Zero dollars are going for R&D. Nothing new besides color will come any year they still build the FJR. Be happy that it has lasted this long in North America as they can build them for cheap with all the R&D and other fixed costs paid for. Based on all the 2023s that didn't sell, I am worried in the near term of the FJR still being produced.

The future of the Yamaha sports tourer is the Tracer 9 GT. That is where they are putting their R&D and marketing $$$.

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I agree to some of this. It seems the Mfgs have turned more towards a younger urbanite crowd, putting out more smaller runabouts than road eaters like the FJR. There doesn't seem to be a Market share in the US now as the guys (and gals) that would be interested have dwindled. The only ones selling are just for us that are upgrading, or switching mounts across the ST market. Big Bike appeal is for low and slow these days in America. My 2018 (BleuRUSH2) is a superb machine; I still get questions, and allot of awe as whip it around the NorCal coastal area.

SkooterG said:

Folks, as far as Yamaha is concerned the FJR is zombie - dead but barely lives on. Zero dollars are going for R&D. Nothing new besides color will come any year they still build the FJR. Be happy that it has lasted this long in North America as they can build them for cheap with all the R&D and other fixed costs paid for. Based on all the 2023s that didn't sell, I am worried in the near term of the FJR still being produced.

The future of the Yamaha sports tourer is the Tracer 9 GT. That is where they are putting their R&D and marketing $$$.

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I hope not. I love the sound of the FJR engine. Three cyl. engines are inherently unbalanced. In a 2 or 4 cyl. engine one piston is going up while the opposing piston is going down. Counter weighting is a compromise, which I guess Yamaha justifies because it costs less to manufacture.

Besides that, the Tracer has minimal weather protection and is just as ugly as the Pan America, but I think the PA is a better bike. So, if no new FJR, then I guess I will be buying HD.

This has some appeal. Typically Suzuki, still a bit primitive. But a stylish ride.

dlowrey said:

So, if no new FJR, then I guess I will be buying HD.

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That is quite the back-up plan. If that is the case I question how serious you are about the FJR? When you say 'new', do you mean another year of the same FJR but new? Or, a newly updated model? The former may happen a few more years, the latter not any time in the near-term if ever. Even when the sad day arrives that Yamaha kills the FJR there will still be plenty of low-mile garage queens available for years.

Or, be like me and stock up now! I have so many FJRs right now I can't even tell you how many I have. Some actually run and are road worthy!!! Working on thinning the heard. I'll be in big trouble if in a month or so Yamaha announces for 2025 the last year of the FJR with the Black/Gold Ultimate Edition.

saread said:

This has some appeal. Typically Suzuki, still a bit primitive. But a stylish ride.
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Looks like a fun bike. As do the similar Kawasaki versions. But those are not for me. I don't want chain, the reduction in wind protection, and less passenger accommodations are deal killers for me.

SkooterG said:

Looks like a fun bike. As do the similar Kawasaki versions. But those are not for me. I don't want chain, the reduction in wind protection, and less passenger accommodations are deal killers for me.

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Agree. I prefer shaft drive, but if the FJR is not coming back, what is left to choose from? R1200 or 1250 RT? K-bike or Goldwing? not for me. BMW reliability? If a BMW bike has an issue on a LD ride, I will have problems finding a dealer, with probably a long tow. Plus, the cost of BMW parts and service is a big negative. Whereas, Yamaha and HD mechanics and parts are widely available.

dlowrey said:

We will know soon; I think last model year was announced in November.
But if we are speculating, my bet is that there will be an updated TFT display, maybe a cosmetic change in the instrument panel and/or the plastic bits, and likely radar cruise control and a $700 price increase.

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I would not be surprised to see a euro-compliant V4 in 2-3 yrs based on what they are doing to get back to a competitive stance in MotoGP. Meanwhile...hurry up HaulBikes I want my new 2024!

xphacktor said:

I would not be surprised to see a euro-compliant V4 in 2-3 yrs based on what they are doing to get back to a competitive stance in MotoGP. Meanwhile...hurry up HaulBikes I want my new 2024!

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Yamaha certainly has V4 experience. Manufacturing and development costs might make this a less desirable option - might depend if they can re-work the old Venture or Vmax engine. (Still an expensive engine to build and service.) They have lots of recent experience with triples in motorcycle and snowmobile engines and repurposing one of these (with larger displacement) might be in the cards unless they are done with the larger sport touring and adventure bikes. BMW's R1250GS (now R1300GS) seems to be the best bike out there to fill the niche. Question is whether Yamaha feels they can take back the market. (They get my vote over BMW if they do it right.)

SkooterG said:

That is quite the back-up plan. If that is the case I question how serious you are about the FJR? When you say 'new', do you mean another year of the same FJR but new? Or, a newly updated model? The former may happen a few more years, the latter not any time in the near-term if ever. Even when the sad day arrives that Yamaha kills the FJR there will still be plenty of low-mile garage queens available for years.

Or, be like me and stock up now! I have so many FJRs right now I can't even tell you how many I have. Some actually run and are road worthy!!! Working on thinning the heard. I'll be in big trouble if in a month or so Yamaha announces for 2025 the last year of the FJR with the Black/Gold Ultimate Edition.

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time for your 15th!

KarlBeavers said:

time for your 15th!

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Oh, I am way past 15! That is in 'lifetime'. Not currently.......

I think it will have 2 wheels and be a color!