2006 FJR Stator Pictures

[Dallara]

Okay, Folks.

I promised I would take pictures of the 2006 stator when I pull off the alternator cover to replace it due to the crate damage... Well, here they are.

I am going to need to button the bike back up tonight, but I will leave it apart for about the next hour or so In case any of you want some other specific pictures of it. The only digital camera I have here at the house right now is my Canon A95 (5.0 megapixel point-n-shoot) so the quality you see is about as good as I can get. However, I have them over on a SmugMug account at the full resolution of around 2592 x 1944, so drop me a PM or leave a message here if you want the URL to look at those.

Sorry for the quality of some. Let me know if you want something specific, by say... 10:00 pm or so, CDT, and I will try and shoot it. After 10:00 - 10:15 pm I have to start buttoning it back up.

Hope this helps!

Dallara

 

[Dallara]

It's 10:00 pm CDT right now...

I'll give it another 15 minutes if anybody wants any other shots or measurements. After that the alternator gets buttoned up.

Just FYI...

Dallara

 

[slapnpop]

can you measure the coil and approx wire gauge for reference. Don't know if anyone will need it, but may be good to have.

 

[Dallara]

Each coil is 32mm wide (thick, as in side-to-side) and 15mm long (as in the same direction the flywheel passes). Each of the coils/poles is 20mm tall. The stator is 124mm in diameter.

Man, wire gauge is another story... Hard to tell... Let me run out and look again real quick.

Back now - Again, wire gauge is hard to judge (and not one of my better skills...), but if I had to guess the wire is about 14 or 16 gauge, but don't hold me to that.

Okay, real quick now... I gotta' get this buttoned back up and get to bed. I got a long day ahead of me tomorrow.

Any other questions? It goes back together in 7 minutes if I don't have any.

Thanks!

Dallara

Going once...

Going twice...

GONE!

Time to put it back together. Sorry if you didn't get to get your question or pic request in.

Thanks!

Dallara

 

[vectervp1]

For those of you who were considering trying to slap one of these into your pre 06 bike, I've been doing some research on installing this into my 05 feejer. I was ready to pull the trigger on a new stator and rectifier from a 06 and attempt a swap out.

I emailed Gary McCoy at University motors to see the availability of the parts and of course cost. As can be expected all part numbers were different from the pre 06 bikes. I then called University motors and talked to one of Gary McCoy's parts guys. He and I talked about this swap out, and he started investigating just how different things are with the internals. It appears a lot is different. A lot of the internal parts that the stator bolts to and the parts that those parts then connect to are different and so on and so on. The cost of this swap just started climbing up and up.

In the end we decided that the best thing to do would be to order the high output stator that Electrosport has, which is exactly what I plan on doing. So for all of you folks considering this may want to reconsider it and just got with the Electrosport stator. For those of you with 2006 models, I hate you.....

 

[Warchild]

This 2006 stator appears to be noticably different that pre-2006 stators.

Below is a comparo photo I took when installing the new hi-output Electrosport stator... stock FJR stator on the left:

The following two photos were taken during the last FJRGoodies "TechWest" seminar exactly 1 year ago this month, where we installed the first attempt at a re-wound stator. When I removed this OEM stator, it had approximately 15K miles of use:

Definitely different... the coils appear to be wound a bit "fatter", and the ends appear somewhat larger as well.

I'm thinkin' I need to score me some of these 2006 components, don't you agree, gents? B)

If there is a way this sonovabitch can be retro-fitted into pre-2006 models, I will find it.

 

[dcarver]

Dallara

Thanks for all the great photos and posts.

 

[ionbeam]

More possible differences between past and '06 generators:

Mechanically, the starter clutch mounts to the rotor, this could be different. If the starter pieces are different between the all previous years and the '06 a part swap gets even more difficult.

Electrically, the rotor may be different. The size, shape, depth, field strength and spacing of the rotor field pieces has a dramatic effect on power generation. Could be significantly different on the '06, I'm pretty darn sure the '06 rotor will have a new P/N also. I posted the P/Ns for the '05 generator and starter parts and asked for someone to post the '06 P/Ns but the thread took a left turn and all things technical got left behind.

5JW-81450-10-00....ROTOR ASSY

5JW-81410-10-00....STATOR ASSY

4NK-15590-00-00....STARTER CLUTCH (ONE-WAY ASSY)

 

[BugR]

Dallara, Thanks for the pictures

IonBeam,

It's a three piece assembly Starter Gear -> Starter One-Way-Assy -> Rotor. If the haven't change the bolt pattern and sizes you should be able to replace the rotor

The timing pickups are usually on the rotor so that needs to be checked out carefully, you don't want to be 1/2 degree out (May be you do, anyone ever advanced the ignition, I've done this on lots of carb'd bikes The FJR is my first EFI).

Chris

 

[Dallara]

I'd love to be able to post the part numbers for the 2006 pieces...

If I had 'em.

Unfortunately I only have the 2006 Service Manual, not a parts list. When my dealer was having ot order the parts for mine to resolve the crate damage issue there was actually no 2006 parts listing online for the dealers for the 2006. Thye had to physically call Yamaha for the part numbers to make the order.

Hopefully, someone else out there can scare up the part numbers you suggest. If I have time this week I will try and swing by dealer and see if he can get 'em for me now.

As an aside... Some interesting things about the replacement fairing side panels I got as replacements for the damaged ones...

They came complete, and I do mean complete - all the clip nuts for threaded and dzus fasteners, all the rubber grommets, all the foam pieces lining the inside surfaces, the upper inner panel, and even the friggin turn signals!!!

I wouldn't want ot pay for the piece that way, but it will sure make swapping out easier. I decided not to put on the new ones last night; one because it was so late, and two so I could take some pics of them to show all the different pieces of foam on the inside of them. I also still have a couple of pieces in the upper fairing and on the handlebar to replace, along with some farkling to do along the way so I thought it better to leave them off.

Thanks!

Dallara

 

[Geezer]

And the good news is that Yamaha has indeed heard the call for more wattage and obviously made a significant change for the '06. Thank you Yamaha. Love your engineers. Now all I have to do is wear out my '05 so I can get the newer technology. There is no down side.

 

[Constant Mesh]

Dallara --

Please look in your service manual and find where the rectifier/regulator is mounted. Prior to '06 the R/R was mounted on the outside of the frame on the left side between the steering head and fuel tank.

 

[Dallara]

Constant Mesh...

I have actually been looking for that rectifier location since another 2006 owner posted he wanted to find it to take pictures of it. Unfortuantely I have been unable to find a true location of it in the manual - just an approxiamate location that it is somewhere on the left side, most likely somewhere in the front, from one of the wiring schematics. My best guess at the moment is that it is in the left side of the fairing, but that could be waaaaaay off...

I have some work to do on the bike in the next couple of nights, and between that and looking through the manual more carefully I will try to get an exact location.

Please note that there are 726 PDF pages to the manual, and IMHO Yamaha's logic and layout to service manuals leaves a lot to be desired.

One question... Why do you ask?

I really have to get ready and get to work now. Unfortunately that takes priority over any FJR treasure hunts for the moment.

Thanks!

Dallara

 

[ionbeam]

Please look in your service manual and find where the rectifier/regulator is mounted. Prior to '06 the R/R was mounted on the outside of the frame on the left side between the steering head and fuel tank.

Rocket located the R/R down by the swing arm near the rear shock.

 

[Warchild]

Rocket located the R/R down by the swing arm near the rear shock.

Hmmmmm..... this doesn't necessarily bode too well for the retro-fit community. It suggests an obvious difference in R/R mounting compared to pre-06 models.....

Perhaps different mounting hardware as well, in addition to a new routing for the R/R wire harness.

 

[afterburn]

Well, the change of placement for the R/R may have different causes that have nothing to do with the R/R itself. The 06 is a different bike.

 

[Warchild]

Well, the change of placement for the R/R may have different causes that have nothing to do with the R/R itself. The 06 is a different bike.

I look upon the newly relocated R/R as a favorable thing.

I never liked the R/R's original placement.... I mean, c'mon, right next to the blazing hot engine bay, and bolted directly to a searing hot frame?! Ideally, you want to place that ******* about as far away from the engine bay as practical, especially *this* engine bay! :blink:

Back in the shock/swingarm area is definitely a lot cooler position for this component to reside....

 

[PerfectBlueride]

Well it appears that cypress squashed your stator to make sure they put it on the 06.

 

[PerfectBlueride]

It's 10:00 pm CDT right now...
I'll give it another 15 minutes if anybody wants any other shots or measurements. After that the alternator gets buttoned up.

Just FYI...

Dallara

Hey you didn't break the seal tape that voids your warranty did ya?

:lol: