2010 Yamaha FJR Intro

[happyPuppy]

If you want to know what Yamaha is doing and why, go over to the Corp site and Investor Relations and read the Q3 report. Bike sales are less by a big margin than they thought. They don't think 2010 will be better and are reducing their sales forecasts. So no real changes for 2010 and less models.

AS=AE in the EU and AU.

 

[SockMonkey]

...two BRAND NEW 05 AE's one on the showroom floor, the other in a crate out back...

You sure about that..? You might want to check the year on those bikes again...

 

[FJRBluesman]

Hey Ig, You haven't updated the board with 2010.

Lets see.... Two three different colors of silver, two different colors of blue, two black models, one cherry. Boy those guys do some great research on colors for the bikes. I wonder if that's the only paint they could get....

 

[jjsC6]

This is going to make for a tough decision. As much as I like the FJR (I like it a lot!), I'm not sure I want to invest in another that is the same is what I have. Yet I really want a new bike this year. I'm going to seriously consider the BMW K1300S. And the price increase on the FJR is putting it much closer to the BMW, especially considering that the BMW has some truly useful features available from the factory.
Tough choice ahead! DAMN you Yamaha!

I'm in the same boat. I was really hoping for a new gen.

Maybe we could do a group buy on the beemer?

Same here. My checkbook was waiting for a new model.

I realize this is going to open a 55-gallon barrel of worms, but I'm really eager to hear what it is that everyone is (or was) expecting out of a new Gen III bike..? What deficiencies in the current model is a new model supposed to address? (and if anyone says a 6-speed gearbox or bigger engine, I may have to flash you one of these: :finger: )

Do those of you saying that Yamaha's failure to introduce a new model has forced you to consider a BMW realize that a '09 K1300S or GT is $4k - $8k more expensive than an '09 FJR at full MSRP? That's a lot of accessories, gas and hotel nights... And just think: carry-over '08s are now selling for ~$11k. At that price, you'll have even saved enough money to paint it red!

First of all, yes a 6 speed and more hp. Give me the finger all you want, but I'm likely to get the last laugh. And I also want a bike that doesn't put my right hand to sleep every 15 minutes (the 6 speed alone might cure that)

Secondly, a "loaded" K1300S is 17,500. One equiped the same as a FJR is about $400 more than an FJR - do your homework.

 

[jjsC6]

If you want to know what Yamaha is doing and why, go over to the Corp site and Investor Relations and read the Q3 report. Bike sales are less by a big margin than they thought. They don't think 2010 will be better and are reducing their sales forecasts. So no real changes for 2010 and less models.
AS=AE in the EU and AU.

It's going to be a self fulfilling prophecy. Go back and count how many people just on this thread are saying they wanted to buy a '10 FJR, but probably won't now because of no changes. Maybe the math still works for Yamaha, but it doesn't work for a lot of potential buyers who will either go another year with the old bike, or might switch to another brand. In addition to the BMW, I may finally go ride a C14 as I've wanted to do for the past two years.

 

[topanga]

First of all, yes a 6 speed and more hp. Give me the finger all you want, but I'm likely to get the last laugh.

Secondly, a "loaded" K1300S is 17,500. One equiped the same as a FJR is about $400 more than an FJR - do your homework.

Agreed. It's also not a money thing for me. I just like new tech and new bikes. There's absolutely nothing wrong with the 2010 FJR, except that I have a Gen II and am ready for a change next year. That's just me. While it may be starting to look a bit long in the tooth to me in comparison to some other manufacturers, if I was looking for my first FJR, I would still consider a Gen II bike.

Personally, I still think the GT is overpriced, but the k1300s, not so much.

 

[jjsC6]

First of all, yes a 6 speed and more hp. Give me the finger all you want, but I'm likely to get the last laugh.

Secondly, a "loaded" K1300S is 17,500. One equiped the same as a FJR is about $400 more than an FJR - do your homework.

Agreed. It's also not a money thing for me. I just like new tech and new bikes. There's absolutely nothing wrong with the 2010 FJR, except that I have a Gen II and am ready for a change next year. That's just me. While it may be starting to look a bit long in the tooth to me in comparison to some other manufacturers, if I was looking for my first FJR, I would still consider a Gen II bike.

Personally, I still think the GT is overpriced, but the k1300s, not so much.

I think we feel the same way. I'm not sure what I'll do, but knowing me, there is a good chance of the K bike happening. I've been doing a lot of homework on it. It would be interesting for some of us on this thread who have shown an interest in the K bike to start an e-mail string and compare notes. I'm pretty busy the next week or so, but would be willing on sharing my thoughts and concerns, and what I've learned.

 

[SockMonkey]

Secondly, a "loaded" K1300S is 17,500. One equiped the same as a FJR is about $400 more than an FJR - do your homework.

My frame of reference is what the majority of BMW dealers in my area keep in their inventory. The least expensive K1300S in my neck of the woods (Western Oregon) is $18,145. That said, your math skills suck. The retail price for a base model 2009 BMW K1300S is, at $15,250, actually $760 more than an '09 FJR 1300A at $14,490 (which is full MSRP). So telling me that a K1300S equipped the same as an FJR is about $400 more than an FJR seems, well, a bit optimistic. Apparently, you haven't priced a set of BMW bags lately.

 

[jjsC6]

Secondly, a "loaded" K1300S is 17,500. One equiped the same as a FJR is about $400 more than an FJR - do your homework.

My frame of reference is what the majority of BMW dealers in my area keep in their inventory. The least expensive K1300S in my neck of the woods (Western Oregon) is $18,145. That said, your math skills suck. The retail price for a base model 2009 BMW K1300S is, at $15,250, actually $760 more than an '09 FJR 1300A at $14,490 (which is full MSRP). So telling me that a K1300S equipped the same as an FJR is about $400 more than an FJR seems, well, a bit optimistic. Apparently, you haven't priced a set of BMW bags lately.

I was referring to the price of a 2010 FJR. I'll grant you the 2010 BMW could go up in price.

I've priced a set of soft bags - $150 (I only ride with my saddle bags once a year).

Have you checked to see how much it would cost to add 25hp at the wheels and lose nearly 100#s on the FJR?

I understand there are gives and takes on equipment. But I'll stand by my point that the price is not much different unless you add features that are not available on the FJR. I'm sure you can buy a base BMW if you want to, you might have to order it.

But lets be sure we understand each other. I'm still a big fan of the FJR. But it is not a perfect bike, and like any vehicle, when a manufacturer goes to long without any changes, it's going to lose ground to it's competitors and it's going to get long in the tooth. Heck, the magazines don't even test it anymore when they do a comparison of the best ST bikes.

 

[deagle]

They could have avoided all of this bitchin' if they just would have painted the 2010 FJR "R1 red" like God intended.

 

[jjsC6]

They could have avoided all of this bitchin' if they just would have painted the 2010 FJR "R1 red" like God intended.

Ya know, I have to say that a killer paint job might have made a difference.

 

[greywolf]

Well the Liquid Silver would make a good base for a Retro FJ1200 tri color...like the one at Barber .... now that would be interesting....

https://www.fjrforum.com/forum//index.php?s...l=Barber+Museum

 

[bmwhd]

The K1300S is a fine machine. But speaking of homework, do a little yourself. I've got a friend with one that has spent more time in the BMW shop than on the road due to stalling issues. BMW finally offered to buy it back because there is no fix for that particular gremlin. He likes the bike so much he opted to keep it and got a free $1,800 phase change suit for his trouble but he's very frustrated with having to re-start the bike at nearly every stop light.

This is going to make for a tough decision. As much as I like the FJR (I like it a lot!), I'm not sure I want to invest in another that is the same is what I have. Yet I really want a new bike this year. I'm going to seriously consider the BMW K1300S. And the price increase on the FJR is putting it much closer to the BMW, especially considering that the BMW has some truly useful features available from the factory.
Tough choice ahead! DAMN you Yamaha!

I'm in the same boat. I was really hoping for a new gen.

Maybe we could do a group buy on the beemer?

Same here. My checkbook was waiting for a new model.

I realize this is going to open a 55-gallon barrel of worms, but I'm really eager to hear what it is that everyone is (or was) expecting out of a new Gen III bike..? What deficiencies in the current model is a new model supposed to address? (and if anyone says a 6-speed gearbox or bigger engine, I may have to flash you one of these: :finger: )

Do those of you saying that Yamaha's failure to introduce a new model has forced you to consider a BMW realize that a '09 K1300S or GT is $4k - $8k more expensive than an '09 FJR at full MSRP? That's a lot of accessories, gas and hotel nights... And just think: carry-over '08s are now selling for ~$11k. At that price, you'll have even saved enough money to paint it red!

First of all, yes a 6 speed and more hp. Give me the finger all you want, but I'm likely to get the last laugh. And I also want a bike that doesn't put my right hand to sleep every 15 minutes (the 6 speed alone might cure that)

Secondly, a "loaded" K1300S is 17,500. One equiped the same as a FJR is about $400 more than an FJR - do your homework.

 

[Bungie]

...two BRAND NEW 05 AE's one on the showroom floor, the other in a crate out back...

You sure about that..? You might want to check the year on those bikes again...

100% positive. Actually, now that I think about it, I heard one of them got sold. I haven't been out there in a while. But as of about a month ago..

 

[happyPuppy]

Give Yamaha another year. Suzuki did pull the B-King for a year to rework it. They spent 10 years on the V-Max and it bombed sales wise. Look at the new dual clutch from Honda ( a better AE gear box) that is going on the VFR and a 1200 ST. I think we will see a V3 in '11 that will be as cool as when the FJR first was released.

 

[SockMonkey]

...two BRAND NEW 05 AE's one on the showroom floor, the other in a crate out back...

You sure about that..? You might want to check the year on those bikes again...

100% positive. Actually, now that I think about it, I heard one of them got sold. I haven't been out there in a while. But as of about a month ago..

My apologies. I'd thought the AE wasn't introduced until '06 with the Gen II bikes...

 

[Ignacio]

...two BRAND NEW 05 AE's one on the showroom floor, the other in a crate out back...

You sure about that..? You might want to check the year on those bikes again...

100% positive. Actually, now that I think about it, I heard one of them got sold. I haven't been out there in a while. But as of about a month ago..

My apologies. I'd thought the AE wasn't introduced until '06 with the Gen II bikes...

You're right SockMonkey. The AE was not introduced until the Gen II bikes....the 2006 model year in the spring of 2006. There was a 2005 and 2005 1/2 offering of both conventional Gen I bikes....one with ABS and one without. But, there was no AE offered that was a 2005 Gen I model.

But, if you're sure Bungie....can you take a picture of it? We'd love to see an Gen 1 AE.

 

[L2M]

Ok, having read this entire thread, I only have two comments (long winded though they may be)

1. I too am disappointed that the 10 bike will have no changes beyond color. For me, my motorcycle is not a primary means of transportation (350Z and Escape for that). As such, I don't want to ride year after year knowing that my ride is as current as the last. Just because nothing is "broken" on the Gen II bike doesn't mean there isn't room for improvement or change for the sake of innovation (V4 anyone? How about a suspension with electronic adjustment?). At the end of the day, I'll keep my 07 for riding with my wife on long trips. However, I was looking forward to a new bike this year and that will now likely be a K1300S, or Busa.

2. I am sad to see the FZ6 go. My first bike was an FZ6 and its removal from Yamaha's lineup means another of the reasonable beginner bikes is off the market. Not everyone wants a Ninja 250/500 or an SV650 as a first bike. I suspect we'll see more noobs trying to ride an R6 as their first bike as a result of this.

That's it for now. No way I'll get rid of my 07 FJR, but I won't buy a 10.

 

[Jobr]

I think that the 'Liquid Silver' looks like the 'Silver Tech' on this TDM:

https://www.yamaha-motor-europe.com/product...subview=colours

I picked up a pair of the foot guards in this color for my 07. To my eye it matches the color of the lower trim piece around the bottom of my tank.

 

[wheatonFJR]

I think that the 'Liquid Silver' looks like the 'Silver Tech' on this TDM:...

...or it looks just like the liquid silver on all the '03 FJRs.