A new world record !!

[dcarver]

Now THAT'S what I'm talking about! LOL. Good one Toe..

 

[sparky3008]

You guys that find hunting revolting or think animals should be given guns to even out the odds. Laughable to say it nicely.

Are you guys the same ones that buy your beef, chicken, turkey, & ham from the local grocery store and figure that since it is out of sight out of mind. Unless you are a strict vegatarian, you are a hypocrite. The animals you eat are raised in captivity, sometimes live their entire lives cramped slammed right up next to other chickens and turkies. Standing all day in their own feces. Cows that are led into a tunnel where their heads are cut off. On and on and you want to blast on hunting.

I have gone out hunting time after time to come back with nothing. The animal has lived their entire life free and I have no guarantee of anything. You don't think they have the upper hand. Do some research sometime on how well they smell, how they use the wind to their advantage, how well they hear and their eye sight. Gangs could learn a thing or two about how they all look out for each other and warn of danger. Hunting is no easy job and many go out for weeks and never get a kill. Much of hunting is done in the off season to learn of an animals habits, eatting and sleeping grounds, paths they take etc.

Now these guys that just want bragging rights and pay this kind of money, while I don't see anything necessarily wrong with it as we raise cattle, pigs, chickens, turkeys etc. to be slaughtered in just the same way. I do think the pompous ass who wants to show off these animals as if he really hunted them down does lesson the real task a true hunter has to endure!

 

[mdisher]

You guys that find hunting revolting or think animals should be given guns to even out the odds. Laughable to say it nicely.
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Now these guys that just want bragging rights and pay this kind of money, while I don't see anything necessarily wrong with it as we raise cattle, pigs, chickens, turkeys etc. to be slaughtered in just the same way. I do think the pompous ass who wants to show off these animals as if he really hunted them down does lesson the real task a true hunter has to endure!

I enjoy beef, chicken, turkey, and on occasion other forms of exotic and not so exotic animals. Hunting for food and/sport does not bother me in the least, nor does fishing, etc, etc.

I also don't mind the fact that we raise animals for food, and slaughter countless deer and other animals to control their population. In a lot of cases that simply has to be done. Much like we grow and slaughter all those evil vegetables. I know we hurt their feeligns too when we run over them with the combine.

In a lot of areas (I don't think this is political) we have brought this on ourselves, we've so screwed up the earth or the natural order of things in a lot of ways that the circle of life is out of whack. Natural enemies of a lot of these animals simply don't exist to help keep the populations in check so we have to do it for them.

When we take over acreage and turn it into subdivisions, the animals that once roamed there have to be, well, managed, else the deer scramble to find new homes and the end up crossing interstates and roadways to get where they are going and, well, often end up in front of you and I, and we can't have that now can we.

But as for raising a moose, or deer and growing it to record proportions and then tossing it out on a game reserve and hunting it, well, now that's just sad. You're hunting an animal that doesn't have the necessary instincts to survive. It's a petting zoo project, not a wild animal. It's not the same.

Kind of like going deep sea fishing at the aquarium if you ask me. Something just aint right about that.

 

[sparky3008]

You guys that find hunting revolting or think animals should be given guns to even out the odds. Laughable to say it nicely.

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Now these guys that just want bragging rights and pay this kind of money, while I don't see anything necessarily wrong with it as we raise cattle, pigs, chickens, turkeys etc. to be slaughtered in just the same way. I do think the pompous ass who wants to show off these animals as if he really hunted them down does lesson the real task a true hunter has to endure!

I enjoy beef, chicken, turkey, and on occasion other forms of exotic and not so exotic animals. Hunting for food and/sport does not bother me in the least, nor does fishing, etc, etc.

I also don't mind the fact that we raise animals for food, and slaughter countless deer and other animals to control their population. In a lot of cases that simply has to be done. Much like we grow and slaughter all those evil vegetables. I know we hurt their feeligns too when we run over them with the combine.

In a lot of areas (I don't think this is political) we have brought this on ourselves, we've so screwed up the earth or the natural order of things in a lot of ways that the circle of life is out of whack. Natural enemies of a lot of these animals simply don't exist to help keep the populations in check so we have to do it for them.

When we take over acreage and turn it into subdivisions, the animals that once roamed there have to be, well, managed, else the deer scramble to find new homes and the end up crossing interstates and roadways to get where they are going and, well, often end up in front of you and I, and we can't have that now can we.

But as for raising a moose, or deer and growing it to record proportions and then tossing it out on a game reserve and hunting it, well, now that's just sad. You're hunting an animal that doesn't have the necessary instincts to survive. It's a petting zoo project, not a wild animal. It's not the same.

Kind of like going deep sea fishing at the aquarium if you ask me. Something just aint right about that.

They raise cows to be as big as they can and for the purpose of killing, my dad raised hogs and when little they were almost like pets, as a kid I use to go to the farm and hand feed the calves. To many kids that grow up around them they do become somewhat of a pet, we still kill them.

Just because you are projecting your emotional attachment to it doesn't make it any different than any other animal that was raised to be killed.

We humans like to place the label of humane kill on things. Even in the killing of horrible criminals we stopped stoning, hangings, electric chair and now lethal injection to make it civilized for us watching. The end result is still dead!

That animal was raised for the kill just like any live stock. The guy paying $20000 got to decide how he wanted it slaughtered.

 

[OrangevaleFJR]

I kinda feel sorry for the Baron being duped like that. Poor guy.

 

[GalaxyBlue]

Both of you are right...

But what makes a person "enjoy" this hunt? As i posted earlier, These guys are bragging about their record hunt! And expect the recognition of a masterful job tracking down this animal...

To me, They are a discrace to the REAL hunters out there.

IMO

Careful on the death penalty stuff, I dont want this thread locked down. Good debates here

 

[sparky3008]

Both of you are right...
But what makes a person "enjoy" this hunt? As i posted earlier, These guys are bragging about their record hunt! And expect the recognition of a masterful job tracking down this animal...

To me, They are a discrace to the REAL hunters out there.

IMO

Careful on the death penalty stuff, I dont want this thread locked down. Good debates here

I agree with what is being said about the "shooter" because he isn't a hunter. I think he is a low life, who gets off on bragging to his other rich friends about this kill.

Now my hunting budies brag but they earned it, this poser didn't.

As far as it being morally wrong and different from just slaughtering an animal, no I have no problem with shooting a animal instead of chopping its head off!

 

[Rogue]

Well as an ex-hunter (not because I have a problem with hunting, just no time to do everything I used to do) and an NRA member the only problem I have with this whole thing is it wasn't hunting! It was target shooting at a live target and when the shooter claims he bagged it hunting he is lieing to everyone including himself.