A useful farkle for motorcyclists traveling armed

[ShinyPartsUp]

Feb. 22, 2010

...it is now legal to carry loaded guns into our national parks.

If your license or permit has reciprocity in the state you are in, you can carry in National parks, but IIRC you cannot carry inside any of the office or tourist buildings in the park. They are federal buildings.

True. Nor tribal lands without the permission of the tribe. Another reason a safe on a trip can come in handy for temporary storage.

I hope the national concealed carry reciprocity bill going through Congress passes. It would cut down on the patchwork of laws and trying to remember/know them all.

 

[chivvalry]

Feb. 22, 2010

...it is now legal to carry loaded guns into our national parks.

If your license or permit has reciprocity in the state you are in, you can carry in National parks, but IIRC you cannot carry inside any of the office or tourist buildings in the park. They are federal buildings.

True. Nor tribal lands without the permission of the tribe. Another reason a safe on a trip can come in handy for temporary storage.

I hope the national concealed carry reciprocity bill going through Congress passes. It would cut down on the patchwork of laws and trying to remember/know them all.

I think hr822 has already failed... But I can't immediately find a reference for that.

Edit... Scratch that. It is still alive... For now. Here's hoping for success!

 

[chivvalry]

Here's a good link for this bill...

Open Congress... HR822 information

 

[Phugedaboudet]

fortunately, one can consider each of the side cases a separate locked container. Ride to the range, pop off the side bag, and carry that to the bench

 

[ShinyPartsUp]

Somebody is buying the cases. They are sold out again at MidwayUSA.

I thought about using the side cases on the FJR, but the cases are plastic, bulky and they aren't padded to save the gun from being bounced around or falling out when you open it.

 

[Jim Morrison]

MidwayUSA is a great company, I buy more stuff from them then I should, just ask the wife, she hates seeing the bills. Since Wisconsin has approved the Carry law (goes into effect Nov 1) things like this have been flying off the shelf.

My plan is carry my Nylon case and just lock it under the seat if I'm on the FJR. the wifes will need to lock in one of the bags.

 

[GillaFunk]

I have one of these in my truck for my 1911 and love it. Luckily in california, as long as the mag of ammo isnt IN the weapon it can be in the same locked trunck. Best of my knowlege, as its a locked deviced PoPo's cant make you open it without a warrant. WHERE to store this on the bike convieniently is the issue h34r:

 

[FJRGuy]

Hey guys...

...nah, forget it!

But seriously, are these cases watertight at all? Could make a good secure tail box permanently mounted to the bike (behind the plate) for other valuables.

 

[chivvalry]

Hey guys...

...nah, forget it!

But seriously, are these cases watertight at all? Could make a good secure tail box permanently mounted to the bike (behind the plate) for other valuables.

Nope, not watertight.

 

[FJRGuy]

Nope, not watertight.

Bummer!

 

[Bounce]

But this way I can go anywhere and not worry about local laws.

you might be surprised. in spite of the Firearm Owners Protection act, there are some jurisdictions that still jail you for violating their local (more restrictive) laws. you then have to avail yourself of the national laws (and some costly legal assistance) in your "defense to prosecution".

watch yourself when traveling through NJ.

the FOPA protects you when posession of the firearm is legal at both your origin and destination, the firearm is unloaded and secured, and you don't stop in the hassle zone for anything more than getting gas, etc., as needed to defend your case as being in transit (to the destination).

it stinks but it still happens.

I hope the national concealed carry reciprocity bill going through Congress passes. It would cut down on the patchwork of laws and trying to remember/know them all.

except they'll probably set the standard to that of the most repressive state (with the most voters).

 

[chivvalry]

But this way I can go anywhere and not worry about local laws.

you might be surprised. in spite of the Firearm Owners Protection act, there are some jurisdictions that still jail you for violating their local (more restrictive) laws. you then have to avail yourself of the national laws (and some costly legal assistance) in your "defense to prosecution".

watch yourself when traveling through NJ.

the FOPA protects you when posession of the firearm is legal at both your origin and destination, the firearm is unloaded and secured, and you don't stop in the hassle zone for anything more than getting gas, etc., as needed to defend your case as being in transit (to the destination).

it stinks but it still happens.

Quoted for truth and they aren't the only state either. Seriously, get to know handgunlaw.us and read up on your surrounding states. If headed out on a trip then make sure you read up on each state you intend to travel through.

 

[ShinyPartsUp]

watch yourself when traveling through NJ.

Quoted for truth and they aren't the only state either. Seriously, get to know handgunlaw.us and read up on your surrounding states. If headed out on a trip then make sure you read up on each state you intend to travel through.

Yeah, it's a pain. Just took the class for my Utah license, which will help; I like USAcarry.com for up-to-date info. To Bounce: concealed means concealed. GillaFunk: See post #1, it fits nicely in a sidecase bag and plenty of room for clothes to pad the metal case from sloshing around.

 

[fjrsochs]

So if I understand the FJR gun law as previously stated:

1) We can all get in trouble if we have a 1911 loaded, anywhere on the bike, given how quickly the FJR crosses continents.

2) I can take the side cases(loaded or unloaded) to the judges bench if I'm in Canada and no bears are anywhere near.

3) NJ is next to NYC the highest gun per capita ratio and noone in NYC rides FJRs to the range in NJ anyway but just in case NJ says "NO"

4) UTAH CCW would help me get through most states but I need to remove my pillon seat for an extra tank of gas to get to UTAH.

5) The law says - I can sleep in the park loaded.

6) If loaded, a smash and grab might take my . . . what was that I had?

7) I can take a shotgun anywhere but it won't fit in that little box that fits in my little sidecases

8) CCW isnt required if I just mount the thing on my shield or get some fancy RAM ballmount for all to see.

9) All this mounting and unmounting of my piece is making me well . . .

10) How can I shoot at someone if I have to stop the bike, open the case, open the other case, remember which key fits the lock or the combination then . .. where'd he/she go? (oh yeah it is an FJr, I'll catch them eventually) . . . .

no seriously about number 10 . . .if someone attempts a cage maneuver that threatens your life. What are your options as gun owners ? I had a situation once where a cager decided that I was being too indecisive in making a right turn. So he(or she) chose to squeeze by me within millimeters of my sidecases. I was fortunate not to have leaned to the right as I was looking left to be sure I wasn't going to be struck by oncoming traffic. There was all kinds of construction at this intersection and I can understand that that driver who lived 1/2 block away from the interstate had to drive through some heinous 20 minute traffic everyday to get home even though their home was about 15 secs from the exit. Still, I SO wanted to follow them home to have a word about how heavy a motorcycle is and that his/her horn blaring and inching forward wasn't the easiest thing to negotiate given my own issues with inching forward in traffic. Chuck hawks ( https://www.chuckhawks.com/motorcycle_firearms.htm ) says a car can be a deadly weapon. So, what protects us in a riding situation where someone has decided to act a fool ?

Perhaps i should further investigate gun ownership. This topic is thought provoking particularly given my goal of one day crossing the country by motorbike. I'm not the warring type but I admire those of you who venture into the tarmac wilderness with nothing but a bike and some rope McGyver style. Not being the type to wrestle bears, dance with wolves or let snakes sleep in my sleeping bag for the night . .. perhaps ballistic thinking is in my future too.