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Ok, after reading all this: no AE version for me.
Try one just once and you will change your mind. It's Awesome! :clapping:

You never hear anyone who owns one saying that it sucks!! You will only hear that from those who don't. There's a reason for that! :dance:

 
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Ok, after reading all this: no AE version for me.
Try one just once and you will change your mind. It's Awesome! :clapping:

You never hear anyone who owns one saying that it sucks!! You will only hear that from those who don't. There's a reason for that! :dance:
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Rampant, have you even ridden one yet?

 
I purchased an '07AE earlier this year from a fellow Forum member, a year after having sold my '05A(see avatar). It took me about 30 seconds to adjust to the AE shifting and I've been smiling while riding ever since. I did install a G2 throttle tamer before I drove it, and have since installed a PCIII. Takeoffs and slow turns are great. I only have to focus on throttle control, and I haven't missed a shift yet. Try it, and you'll never go back.

Bob

 
I purchased an '07AE earlier this year from a fellow Forum member, a year after having sold my '05A(see avatar). It took me about 30 seconds to adjust to the AE shifting and I've been smiling while riding ever since. I did install a G2 throttle tamer before I drove it, and have since installed a PCIII. Takeoffs and slow turns are great. I only have to focus on throttle control, and I haven't missed a shift yet. Try it, and you'll never go back.
Bob
Rampant,

This post right here is soooo true! If you are absolutely dead set against the thought of an electronic shifter for some reason, then that's OK! I can relate to that.

But, if there is something (anything!) about it that has peaked your interest, You should at least try one just to satisfy your curiosity if nothing else. If you are

an experienced rider, TRUST ME!, you will master the slow stuff in no time at all! Just like we all did. Once you do, you will say to yourself DAMN!!!!! I almost lost

out on owning this awesome bike over the fear of the unknown. It will be the BEST F#@King bike you've ever owned in your life!! I don't know how else to say

it. Friends don't let Friends deprive themselves of something wonderful. Especially when we know what you'll be missing out on. It's your choice. Just Sayin'

:rolleyes: :yahoo:

 
Rampant, don't get one if you don't want to but... ever notice how the shortcomings of the AE are so well defined by those who've never ridden one, at least not long enough to master it. And besides, of the 5000+ miles I've ridden mine so far, I would estimate that about .1 miles of that has been making u-turns so I don't qualify the bike on that.

 
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Rampant, don't get one if you don't want to but... ever notice how the shortcomings of the AE are so well defined by those who've never ridden one, at least not long enough to master it. And besides, of the 5000+ miles I've ridden mine so far, I would estimate that about .1 miles of that has been making u-turns so I don't qualify the bike on that.
Good one, flyball...bigjimbiker :yahoo:

 
Slow motion is more a function of reach then clutch to me. Droped mine when I first got it due to a 4 inch diference between mine and my neighbors driveway. I tried to squezze between the parked cars but when I put the right foot down I ran out of leg and past the point of no return. It went down slowly but down it went just the same. :angry2:

 
Do you really think anyone who dropped 14K on something that didn't really work like they thought it would, would admit thier mistake to this bunch? :dribble: I think not. The only ones to speak the truth, are the ones looking from the outside in. We have no reason to lie. It's the same as if you voted for :glare: ........ Oh never mind, this isn't the place. :assassin:

 
Do you really think anyone who dropped 14K on something that didn't really work like they thought it would, would admit thier mistake to this bunch? :dribble: I think not. The only ones to speak the truth, are the ones looking from the outside in. We have no reason to lie. It's the same as if you voted for :glare: ........ Oh never mind, this isn't the place. :assassin:
NM,

Are you under the impression that ALL the AE owners on this Forum are like the people who married the "Spouse from Hell" that our moms warned us about,

and we are too ashamed to admit that she was right? You've got to be kidding me!. For you to think that the "outsiders looking in" who don't know anything

about it are better equiped to render a more informed opinion of the AE than those of us who know the AE like the back of our hand is just Silly!!

"The only ones to speak the truth"?? "We have no reason to lie"!! Dude! after you typed those words, did you even read them out loud to yourself before you

clicked on the "ADD REPLY"?. Why don't you go back and read your post again and see how strange that would sound to all the people who know better.

Voters remorse is one thing. Hell, We've all done that once or twice. But a bike that you will plant your ass in the saddle on every day is another!!

Just Sayin' :rolleyes:

 
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Do you really think anyone who dropped 14K on something that didn't really work like they thought it would, would admit thier mistake to this bunch? :dribble: I think not. The only ones to speak the truth, are the ones looking from the outside in. We have no reason to lie.
So everybody with an AE is lying? Is this exclusive to AE owners, or are all motorcycle owners incapable of speaking the truth about their own machine?

 
Don't freaak out on me now, I was just building a fire under you AE guys. Look I rode them both, I'm friends with a Yamaha shop owner, and it was an easy choice to go with the standard clutch. By the way who did you vote for? I think I know already! :assassin: :assassin: :assassin:

 
Don't freaak out on me now, I was just building a fire under you AE guys. Look I rode them both, I'm friends with a Yamaha shop owner, and it was an easy choice to go with the standard clutch. By the way who did you vote for? I think I know already! :assassin: :assassin: :assassin:
Good Choice, and the color of the '07A is Sweeeet! But, the difference between "riding" one and "owning" one is like night and day. Just Sayin' :rolleyes:

I don't understand the fixation you got going on there about the Voting thing. :unsure: You need to go out and buy a Real Good bottle of liquor, sit, relax and

have a few. Things are going to be Just Fine. :drinks: :drag: And No, You don't Know. You have a nice day now. :bye:

 
Don't freaak out on me now, I was just building a fire under you AE guys. Look I rode them both, I'm friends with a Yamaha shop owner, and it was an easy choice to go with the standard clutch. By the way who did you vote for? I think I know already!
I don't understand the fixation you got going on there about the Voting thing. :unsure:
He admitted he was trolling.

I'm totally in on the drinking though. Best suggestion I've heard all week.

 
Don't freaak out on me now, I was just building a fire under you AE guys. Look I rode them both, I'm friends with a Yamaha shop owner, and it was an easy choice to go with the standard clutch. By the way who did you vote for? I think I know already!
I don't understand the fixation you got going on there about the Voting thing. :unsure:
He admitted he was trolling.

I'm totally in on the drinking though. Best suggestion I've heard all week.
AMEN BROTHER!! :drinks:

 
OK, I've kept quiet until now, but some of the opinions expressed here have persuaded me to give my .02's worth.

I consider myself a competent user of the AE (or AS as we British know it), and an expert on how not to use it.

To answer the original question:

So, the AE has no clutch.... how do you do tight parking lot maneuvers with it?...
Same as a bike with a clutch lever, but you don't use a clutch lever, just go slowly (as you would "conventionally").

If you need to be really slow, reduce the speed of the bike while still straight until the clutch disengages (about 1300 rpm "officially"). Then ease the throttle on until the clutch starts to engage (at about 1800 rpm). Hold the speed on the throttle, increase or decrease to increase drive or reduce drive, the clutch still slipping. Using the rear brake is a usefull way of improving control, just drag it a bit (as is often done in slow manouvers with a conventionally levered bike).

If it sounds complicated, it isn't. As with many biking skills, it just becomes second nature.

The bike behaves just as a levered bike would, it's just you control the speed by increasing or decreasing the throttle or the brake. So in answer to the second question:

...How can you feather something that isn't there?
The clutch is there, it's just the lever that isn't. You feather it by controlling the throttle. The faster the engine, the more the clutch engages.

To sum up, slow speed control uses exactly the same mechanism as far as the bike is concerned, it's just a different operator method to control it.

Is it easier or harder? Neither, it's just a little different, and requires a learning phase to get used to it. As did the manual lever when you first rode. The learning period varies between minutes/feet to weeks/thousands of miles, according to comments given in other threads on this forum.

Disadvantages?

  • It's different, and can take some getting used to.
  • You can't disengage the engine without slowing to a near standstill.
  • You can't rev the engine whilst waiting to move off if you are in gear.
  • Use it wrongly, you can drop the bike. (But use a manually levered clutch incorrectly, you can drop the bike.)
Advantages?

  • Your left hand doesn't need to worry about a clutch lever, so doesn't get tired in heavy traffic or while waiting for lights to change.
  • You can change gear in a corner without upsetting the bike's line with just a little throttle control. Unless you are on ten tenths.
  • You never miss a gear change.
  • You can use your hand to change gear instead of your foot, so no "above-below" dancing of your foot with the lever or touching your toe down if it's preparing to change up (I always use my index finger).
  • It is impossible to stall the engine.
  • You can (skill-lessly) move from rest in ANY gear. (Well, I've done it in 4th, not a hint of stalling, but not much acceleration!)
What don't I like about it?

  • You can't free-wheel, ever. [Edit]Except under one circumstance - start to move from rest, then close the throttle before the clutch has fully engaged. You will free-wheel until you bring the revs up with the throttle. I have found this unnerving. [/edit]
  • You can't change up to second (or higher) whilst stationary.
  • You can't rely on clutch slip to control rear wheel torque. (I'll expand on that if anyone's interested.)
What do I like about it?

  • I can ride a bike (because of a bad finger joint, I can't use a clutch lever for any length of time without intolerable pain).
  • I can flick up and down the gears unbelievably easily and quickly.
  • I can select a lower gear for an instant overtake, guaranteeing a clean change and instant acceleration (but it's not skill-less, if you don't control the throttle properly, it will "drag" for a second or so).
  • I can pose by moving from rest with my left hand on my hip. (Well, I've done it once, caused a long conversation at the next stop.)
  • I can ride a bike :yahoo:
I hope this is read as a relatively unprejudiced opinion from someone who was forced into using YCCS, but who is very grateful for its existence.

 
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Outstanding Post, MC! :good: No medical issue for me. Just the pure fun of clicking though the gears at will! You just can't beat it! :yahoo:

 
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