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[rammer9460]

While I am not going to try to convince you guys to change your lenient ways (espcially if you work near me ) but I would ask, philosphically speaking, and only in reference to not writing for speed, are you being more lienient as a means to rationalize your own speeding habits on a bike? I mean I understand all of the conditions you highlight for why you DO give a ticket; basically when driver trying to shirk/deny responsibility for their actions or being an ***. And of course I am like 90% of FJR riders, i dont get 50 MPG for good reason. But... posted speedlimits are based on assessment of what is a safe speed to travel on a given road and it is not always apparent to the driver why that road has a posted speed. I mean when hear Scab gettin away with 76 in a 35 (more power to ya Scab) I just think someone is not doing their job.
-jes askin, please dont write me up officers

OH Kevin...How nice! Please don't get the idea that I am in any way lenient. I have been known to write 25-30 tickets a day just to stay busy. I spent 5 years in the Traffic unit and wrote 17 times more citations than the average deputy.

I do know however that while on my bike, I will move faster than traffic just to find a clear space. I figure ATGATT guys are probably doing the same thing. I also have not pulled over nearly as many MC's as cars just because most people drive cars. If it is midnight and I see a bike speeding down the freeway, I may write a ticket, I may not, but there has to be a balance.

I don't ever want to not stop a car/bike for speeding and then find out that person wiped out 2 miles down the road becasue they were driving too fast. It's just like any other job. You can cut a customer a price break, or go that extra mile to make sure they are happy, and every now and then I will let someone go with a warning.

Oh well, now I am just a big sissy detective with a desk and an office, so you are probably safe...unless I'm working overtime in my unmarked car

Edit: I just saw PonyFool's post and I have to say I agree with most of what he wrote; except my thresholds are lower. We are usually looking for "voluntary compliance" and if I feel that me just stopping you will do the trick, you are probably home free.

Just so all ya coppers know, I wasnt judgin ya as being nice or lazy or anything. And I am sure you have your actual reasons. I have a brother who is a WSP (Washington State Patrol, he is now a detective) so i have an idea about the process. My question was purely a curiosity. does it make it easier to justify your own speeding? I am a real speeder on my bike. I always slow down whenever I get to a community because I would hope others do the same in my neighborhood; I guess this is how i justify it.

Kevin, I didn't think you were suggesting that I was lazy. I've written my fair share of citations over the years! But alot of what any LEO does is based on the attitude of the people they're dealing with. A**hats that argue with you, people that just don't get it, and repeat offenders, are MORE likely to get a ticket, than someone who understands and acknowledges the fact that they were wrong.

I really don't think my job perfomance and my decision to ticket or not to ticket has anything to do with justifying my own driving conduct. At one point in my late teens I got 4 tickets in one week. I was very immature! I had a lot to learn about life! Did I deserve them??? you bet I did! Did I learn from my mistakes in life? yup! Do I drive that way now? nope! I tend to be pretty conservitive on my bikes and in my car.

I will admit, one day I attempted to see what the FJR would do... I was in a desolate part of NV. I was the only person around. I could see for miles. I wouldn't have argued if I was stopped. I knew what I was doing was a no-no. I would have expected a ticket. I would have paid the ticket. I was willing to take a chance. I am human too. But, I've also followed other FJR riders on flat open ground and couldn't keep up with them, not because they were better riders than me, but because my conscience wouldn't let me. The speed they were doing was beyond what I felt I should/could do.

Hope you understand,

Erik.

 

[odot]

While I am not going to try to convince you guys to change your lenient ways (espcially if you work near me ) but I would ask, philosphically speaking, and only in reference to not writing for speed, are you being more lienient as a means to rationalize your own speeding habits on a bike? I mean I understand all of the conditions you highlight for why you DO give a ticket; basically when driver trying to shirk/deny responsibility for their actions or being an ***. And of course I am like 90% of FJR riders, i dont get 50 MPG for good reason. But... posted speedlimits are based on assessment of what is a safe speed to travel on a given road and it is not always apparent to the driver why that road has a posted speed. I mean when hear Scab gettin away with 76 in a 35 (more power to ya Scab) I just think someone is not doing their job.
-jes askin, please dont write me up officers

OH Kevin...How nice! Please don't get the idea that I am in any way lenient. I have been known to write 25-30 tickets a day just to stay busy. I spent 5 years in the Traffic unit and wrote 17 times more citations than the average deputy.

I do know however that while on my bike, I will move faster than traffic just to find a clear space. I figure ATGATT guys are probably doing the same thing. I also have not pulled over nearly as many MC's as cars just because most people drive cars. If it is midnight and I see a bike speeding down the freeway, I may write a ticket, I may not, but there has to be a balance.

I don't ever want to not stop a car/bike for speeding and then find out that person wiped out 2 miles down the road becasue they were driving too fast. It's just like any other job. You can cut a customer a price break, or go that extra mile to make sure they are happy, and every now and then I will let someone go with a warning.

Oh well, now I am just a big sissy detective with a desk and an office, so you are probably safe...unless I'm working overtime in my unmarked car

Edit: I just saw PonyFool's post and I have to say I agree with most of what he wrote; except my thresholds are lower. We are usually looking for "voluntary compliance" and if I feel that me just stopping you will do the trick, you are probably home free.

Just so all ya coppers know, I wasnt judgin ya as being nice or lazy or anything. And I am sure you have your actual reasons. I have a brother who is a WSP (Washington State Patrol, he is now a detective) so i have an idea about the process. My question was purely a curiosity. does it make it easier to justify your own speeding? I am a real speeder on my bike. I always slow down whenever I get to a community because I would hope others do the same in my neighborhood; I guess this is how i justify it.

Kevin, I didn't think you were suggesting that I was lazy. I've written my fair share of citations over the years! But alot of what any LEO does is based on the attitude of the people they're dealing with. A**hats that argue with you, people that just don't get it, and repeat offenders, are MORE likely to get a ticket, than someone who understands and acknowledges the fact that they were wrong.

I really don't think my job perfomance and my decision to ticket or not to ticket has anything to do with justifying my own driving conduct. At one point in my late teens I got 4 tickets in one week. I was very immature! I had a lot to learn about life! Did I deserve them??? you bet I did! Did I learn from my mistakes in life? yup! Do I drive that way now? nope! I tend to be pretty conservitive on my bikes and in my car.

I will admit, one day I attempted to see what the FJR would do... I was in a desolate part of NV. I was the only person around. I could see for miles. I wouldn't have argued if I was stopped. I knew what I was doing was a no-no. I would have expected a ticket. I would have paid the ticket. I was willing to take a chance. I am human too. But, I've also followed other FJR riders on flat open ground and couldn't keep up with them, not because they were better riders than me, but because my conscience wouldn't let me. The speed they were doing was beyond what I felt I should/could do.

Hope you understand,

Erik.

Ok....just wanted to do that for a while. I love these reposts.

 

[Fencer]

So full leathers with sparky knee sliders and an air hump may get me by....

Hmm... Cant get any more ATG than that B)

 

[rammer9460]

odot,

Point taken, it's just that it didn't look so big when I previewed it and posted it. hehehe

 

[Kevin Daly]

Jesus! 76 in a 35 what the **** were you thinking? At more than twice the posted speed you are tre lucky.

It sounds worse than it actually is. It is a rural, uncongested, wide, well-paved road that should be posted at speeds of 55. Why it is posted so low is a mystery to all.

The day in question I was being tailgated by a psycho in a truck. It made me nervous, so I left him. Topped a rise, there was Mr. Trooper.

I apologized for my speed, explained that the truck behind me was riding waaaay too close, and that I had waaaay too much horsepower to allow that.

He understood and asked that I slow it down.

"Yes, sir. Thank you, sir. Have a nice day."

Yeah sure I bet there were a bunch of kids playin kickball in the street when you went past

 

[Kevin Daly]

Kevin, I didn't think you were suggesting that I was lazy. I've written my fair share of citations over the years! But alot of what any LEO does is based on the attitude of the people they're dealing with. A**hats that argue with you, people that just don't get it, and repeat offenders, are MORE likely to get a ticket, than someone who understands and acknowledges the fact that they were wrong.I really don't think my job perfomance and my decision to ticket or not to ticket has anything to do with justifying my own driving conduct. At one point in my late teens I got 4 tickets in one week. I was very immature! I had a lot to learn about life! Did I deserve them??? you bet I did! Did I learn from my mistakes in life? yup! Do I drive that way now? nope! I tend to be pretty conservitive on my bikes and in my car.

I will admit, one day I attempted to see what the FJR would do... I was in a desolate part of NV. I was the only person around. I could see for miles. I wouldn't have argued if I was stopped. I knew what I was doing was a no-no. I would have expected a ticket. I would have paid the ticket. I was willing to take a chance. I am human too. But, I've also followed other FJR riders on flat open ground and couldn't keep up with them, not because they were better riders than me, but because my conscience wouldn't let me. The speed they were doing was beyond what I felt I should/could do.

Hope you understand,

Erik.

Oh yeah, I completely unterstand Erick and I appreciate your honesty. I am just thinking about what makes a copper write a ticket for a vilation they themeselves are willing to commit (or not) and how one deals with that. I mean its got to be a bit of an internal conflict of sorts. Again, I am certianly do not intend to come off as judgemental. And I probably owe my life several times over to rapid responses from the cops over the years

 

[Kevin Daly]

While I am not going to try to convince you guys to change your lenient ways (espcially if you work near me ) but I would ask, philosphically speaking, and only in reference to not writing for speed, are you being more lienient as a means to rationalize your own speeding habits on a bike? I mean I understand all of the conditions you highlight for why you DO give a ticket; basically when driver trying to shirk/deny responsibility for their actions or being an ***. And of course I am like 90% of FJR riders, i dont get 50 MPG for good reason. But... posted speedlimits are based on assessment of what is a safe speed to travel on a given road and it is not always apparent to the driver why that road has a posted speed. I mean when hear Scab gettin away with 76 in a 35 (more power to ya Scab) I just think someone is not doing their job.
-jes askin, please dont write me up officers

OH Kevin...How nice! Please don't get the idea that I am in any way lenient. I have been known to write 25-30 tickets a day just to stay busy. I spent 5 years in the Traffic unit and wrote 17 times more citations than the average deputy.

I do know however that while on my bike, I will move faster than traffic just to find a clear space. I figure ATGATT guys are probably doing the same thing. I also have not pulled over nearly as many MC's as cars just because most people drive cars. If it is midnight and I see a bike speeding down the freeway, I may write a ticket, I may not, but there has to be a balance.

I don't ever want to not stop a car/bike for speeding and then find out that person wiped out 2 miles down the road becasue they were driving too fast. It's just like any other job. You can cut a customer a price break, or go that extra mile to make sure they are happy, and every now and then I will let someone go with a warning.

Oh well, now I am just a big sissy detective with a desk and an office, so you are probably safe...unless I'm working overtime in my unmarked car

Edit: I just saw PonyFool's post and I have to say I agree with most of what he wrote; except my thresholds are lower. We are usually looking for "voluntary compliance" and if I feel that me just stopping you will do the trick, you are probably home free.

Just so all ya coppers know, I wasnt judgin ya as being nice or lazy or anything. And I am sure you have your actual reasons. I have a brother who is a WSP (Washington State Patrol, he is now a detective) so i have an idea about the process. My question was purely a curiosity. does it make it easier to justify your own speeding? I am a real speeder on my bike. I always slow down whenever I get to a community because I would hope others do the same in my neighborhood; I guess this is how i justify it.

Kevin, I didn't think you were suggesting that I was lazy. I've written my fair share of citations over the years! But alot of what any LEO does is based on the attitude of the people they're dealing with. A**hats that argue with you, people that just don't get it, and repeat offenders, are MORE likely to get a ticket, than someone who understands and acknowledges the fact that they were wrong.

I really don't think my job perfomance and my decision to ticket or not to ticket has anything to do with justifying my own driving conduct. At one point in my late teens I got 4 tickets in one week. I was very immature! I had a lot to learn about life! Did I deserve them??? you bet I did! Did I learn from my mistakes in life? yup! Do I drive that way now? nope! I tend to be pretty conservitive on my bikes and in my car.

I will admit, one day I attempted to see what the FJR would do... I was in a desolate part of NV. I was the only person around. I could see for miles. I wouldn't have argued if I was stopped. I knew what I was doing was a no-no. I would have expected a ticket. I would have paid the ticket. I was willing to take a chance. I am human too. But, I've also followed other FJR riders on flat open ground and couldn't keep up with them, not because they were better riders than me, but because my conscience wouldn't let me. The speed they were doing was beyond what I felt I should/could do.

Hope you understand,

Erik.

Ok....just wanted to do that for a while. I love these reposts.

I dont get it whats the porblem Odot?

:rofl:

ok I'm guilt too

 

[Tenchi]

I actually get picked on MORE when I'm wearing all my gear, because it has a high vis jacket. Namely, whenever I'm doing something wrong they pick on me. Thus my gear is my "emotional control", since it keeps me in line. Since I'm ATGATT I have to be very restrained with the throttle hand.

e.g. more recently, GSX-R 1000 in front of me, myself on a ZZR250. Our coppers here use Honda ST1100's. GSX-R 1000 takes off at well over 80 mph, posted speed limit is 60. I'm doing 65, see the copper when I do a head check, slow to 60... copper speeds up and has a go at me for speeding when i wasn't. I secretly think he did that because he couldn't catch the GSX-R but who am I to argue with the cop? No fine btw, just abuse.

 

[Groo]

Curious if the presentation of a CHL by the rider biases any of the "to ticket or not to ticket" thought process for any of the LEOs who've been posting.

 

[Scab]

Jesus! 76 in a 35 what the **** were you thinking? At more than twice the posted speed you are tre lucky.

It sounds worse than it actually is.

Yeah sure I bet there were a bunch of kids playin kickball in the street when you went past

No problem. The kids are quick in this neck of the woods.

 

[eeksnake]

ATGATT = possible leniency? Nah, I don't think so.

Stop as soon as I safely can...

Stop in as safe a spot as I could manage...

Bike off, hands in plain view...

Courteous responses...

Non-Threatening demeanor...

Acknowledgment of the wrong done (at least not arguing when ya know damn well ya did it)...

I believe these go a long way in convincing an LEO that leniency is warranted.

Even if it doesn't, it's definitely never made my situation worse.

 

[HotRodZilla]

Curious if the presentation of a CHL by the rider biases any of the "to ticket or not to ticket" thought process for any of the LEOs who've been posting.

Groo,

What's a CHL?

 

[ponyfool]

Curious if the presentation of a CHL by the rider biases any of the "to ticket or not to ticket" thought process for any of the LEOs who've been posting.

Groo,

What's a CHL?

I'm guessing it's his states version of a Concealed Handgun License.

And for me, it depends on how it's presented.

 

[Groo]

Sorry.. thought that was a Universal Acronym. CHL - Concealed Handgun License, and in Texas, if you have one, you are REQUIRED to offer it up along with your license when pulled over, while telling the officer that you are a registered holder and whether you're carrying or not.

 

[old&slow]

I think it all depends on the cop. I don't give many breaks, but I am more inclined to give a bike a break, depending on what the infraction is. If I am out that day specifically to write tickets, anyone who gets stopped, gray hair or not is getting cited. If I am just out and about and happen to stop someone, I may give a break. I have also noticed that the people who are ATGATT are usually less likely to be doing something dumb that irritates me, and I am glad that they are taking their personal protection to heart. Most of the time I believe that if you are willing to protect yourself, you are willing to make sure your not a danger to other drivers either.

The only ticket I've had in the last 30+ years was a 55 in a 35 zone.. Midnight , outside a small village , farm land on both sides of the road ,, going to pick up my wife, who's car had broke down.

I ALWAYS say, Yes Sir & No Sir ,,Hands on the wheel , etc.

But this particular time I had a smile on my face because of the age of the officer,,, I wanted to ask him if this was his after school job ( but didn't.)

Anyway ,, figured it was just pay backs for the 100's of time I probably should got a ticket ,,smiled and told the officer to have a nice evening,,

My son-in-law is a police officer.. I shoot competition with several police officers. Hell , there's even times I wish I was a cop , when I see some dumb *** on the street...

But I still take off my helmet if stopped ,, hoping they will give the old bald polite guy a break.