Auto Cancelling Turn Signals

[Warpdrv]

Curious... Uncle HUD...

Has Yamaha ever offered an ECU upgrade ?

 

[ionbeam]

Curious... Uncle HUD...
Has Yamaha ever offered an ECU upgrade ?

Never an upgrade, but Yamaha has replaced ECUs to fix driveability issues. If the Gen 3 has an OBD II connector this could change as it would allow some limited software flashing.

 

[Fred W]

So, I am one of the constant button masher crowd. I cancel the turn signals when they weren't even on, just to be sure. I'm pretty good (I think) about not leaving them on too often, partly because I do take the lead position in group rides a lot, and it is pretty embarrassing to have a bunch of people following you seeing you ride around flashing constantly.

But even with all the mashing, and conscientiousness, it still happens occasionally. And there is no question that it is a safety risk when it does happen.

From what I have seen, the aftermarket cancellers are strictly time based. So if you are sitting at a long light your turn signal will get cancelled while you are sitting there. They do seem to have varying cancellation periods based on how long you hold down the turn signal button, but that would be more of a pain in the *** than it would be worth.

What would be of more value, IMO would be a canceller that only intervenes in those rare situations when a masher does forget. In other words, the duration and distance to the cancellation would be such that you would never intentionally allow it to cancel the signal, but it would still catch those rare occasions when you do.

The other option would be to make it so blatantly obvious hat your turn signal was on that you wouldn't miss cancelling it. That may be an even better solution, as the device would never cancel it off on you when you wanted it to be on.

Back in my younger days when I didn't use earplugs (what's that you say?) I had a piezo-electric beeper mounted on the handlebars and pointed up at my face that was wired to the turn signal flasher circuit on my 1975 Suzuki GT550. I never missed cancelling that thing! It was probably little annoying to other folks on summer days when car windows and convertible tops would be down.

Maybe putting bright LEDs someplace that would be quite obvious, in your field of vision while riding, would be a good way to go? The dash lights really don't work too well in that regard during the daylight hours, as is obviously the case for many folks. Might be worth looking into.

 

[mcatrophy]

...Maybe putting bright LEDs someplace that would be quite obvious, in your field of vision while riding, would be a good way to go? The dash lights really don't work too well in that regard during the daylight hours, as is obviously the case for many folks. Might be worth looking into.

I'd like to see repeaters mounted in/on/under the mirrors. I almost invariably check my mirrors immediately after a turn, and fairly frequently the rest of the time.

 

[ionbeam]

My Impala SS had a geezer Buick feature, if you left your turn signals on too long it would turn on a chime to remind you. Once during my ownership the signals didn't cancel and when the chime went off I had no idea what it was until I accidentally noticed my blinker. Instead of a beeper that goes off constantly with the flashing, perhaps we need a beeper that goes off after an extended flashing period.

I will confirm that Fred hardly ever has his flasher left on. When he does, it is caused by the same circumstance, lots of incidental activity related to a turn. It could be traffic, road condition, or a confusing intersection but it is always something really distracting (and ever so rarely it involves using a GPS). Now, as to the other NERDS, we have frequent offenders and some that I don't think ever cancel their turn signals, they just switch from side to side. I ride sweep a lot and during a ride I see almost everyone leave their turn signals on at least once, usually after one of those incidental activity turns. Based on this consistent and constant superfluous flashing I could make a case for self-canceling turn signals. IMO, leaving turn signals on is worse than not using them.

I'm another one that came from a motorcycle that had self canceling turn signals. The bike had to meet at least 2 of 3 conditions before the signals would cancel (steering head movement/leaning, time, distance) and it worked as good as a car's signaling system. There was a sensor attached to the steering stem to sense steering.

 

[Warpdrv]

Wouldn't be that hard to tie in some LED's to FL and FR power source IMO..... might be a good project...

I have to say after taking the new bike out in 25* the other day, that I find myself still quite distracted by all the new electronics on the Gen3, I feel I'm fumbling about with the new switch locations and operation - something I'm sure I'll get a handle on eventually.... which has gotten in the way of my constant mashing of the turn signal....

I like your idea Fred, just having something a bit more IN YOUR FACE would be quite helpful....

 

[bigjohnsd]

Roadstar Warrior uses an electro if sensor for Speed, not a front wheel cable. Speed input is a digital signal.

 

[wnyfjr]

...Maybe putting bright LEDs someplace that would be quite obvious, in your field of vision while riding, would be a good way to go? The dash lights really don't work too well in that regard during the daylight hours, as is obviously the case for many folks. Might be worth looking into.

I'd like to see repeaters mounted in/on/under the mirrors. I almost invariably check my mirrors immediately after a turn, and fairly frequently the rest of the time.

There was a thread on this forum where someone mounted a Datel volt meter inside the mirror. Seems like that could be done with a turn signal LED as well.

 

[Warpdrv]

Something along the lines of this looks to be a solid idea, though I'd prefer a more integrated approach that doesn't stand out like a sore thumb...

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Motorcycle-indicator-warning-LED-a-must-have-/220540828057?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts_13&hash=item335941f999

Maybe Aimed at the windscreen - you would see the reflection pretty good....

 

[ionbeam]

There was a thread on this forum where someone mounted a Datel volt meter inside the mirror. Seems like that could be done with a turn signal LED as well.

One that did the Datel mirror thing was admin Ignacio and he provided a nice write-up with pixs. You would need to heat the mirror assy until the mirror can be popped out; mask around an area to strip the reflective material and then glue on the Extra Bright LED. That should drive you nuts at night but the traffic around you would see the turn indication for sure. Much like Muth mirrors and some new cars with built in turn arrows. Muth makes mirror kits and also makes whole mirror assemblies for motorcycles too. Cycle dynamics makes mirrors and Youtube has how-tos.

 

[Warpdrv]

Interesting - here is another product.....

https://www.bikevis.com/motorcycle-visual-turn-signal-reminder.html

 

[Old Guy]

Interesting - here is another product.....
https://www.bikevis.com/motorcycle-visual-turn-signal-reminder.html

That's an interesting idea. I mounted a small LED in the fairing of my ZRX, and they worked great. Except .... at night it was way too bright.

 

[Fred W]

Interesting - here is another product.....
https://www.bikevis.com/motorcycle-visual-turn-signal-reminder.html

That's an interesting idea. I mounted a small LED in the fairing of my ZRX, and they worked great. Except .... at night it was way too bright.

That one says it is self dimming in low light situations. Cool.

 

[Old Guy]

Interesting - here is another product.....
https://www.bikevis.com/motorcycle-visual-turn-signal-reminder.html

That's an interesting idea. I mounted a small LED in the fairing of my ZRX, and they worked great. Except .... at night it was way too bright.

That one says it is self dimming in low light situations. Cool.

Exactly. I wonder if it's available in the US. Must check.

Edit:

I've sent an email. Will report back

 

[Uncle Hud]

Curious... Uncle HUD...
Has Yamaha ever offered an ECU upgrade ?

I flattered that you'd ask, because I'm the LAST person on this forum who knows anything about ECUs. I have trouble understanding my supah-dupah electronic dashboard, and 'upgrade' means I can sit in First Class . (If it was a backhanded insult, I'm too clueless to pick up on that -- you need to be more direct with me.

)

If somebody were to ask, however, I'd say cancel the turn signals after 1/10 mile of travel. Or, for my Canadian friends, 0.2 km. Much better than time-based cancellation, in my opinion, and I'm guessing the odometer produces an electronic signal since it hooks up to my supah-dupah electronic dashboard.

 

[mcatrophy]

... I'd say cancel the turn signals after 1/10 mile of travel. ....

Too far in many situations, see my post above.

 

[Warpdrv]

Curious... Uncle HUD...
Has Yamaha ever offered an ECU upgrade ?

I flattered that you 'd ask, because I'm the LAST person on this forum who knows anything about ECUs. I have trouble understanding my supah-dupah electronic dashboard, and 'upgrade' means I can sit in First Class . (If it was a backhanded insult, I'm too clueless to pick up on that -- you need to be more direct with me.

)

If somebody were to ask, however, I'd say cancel the turn signals after 1/10 mile of travel. Or, for my Canadian friends, 0.2 km. Much better than time-based cancellation, in my opinion, and I'm guessing the odometer produces an electronic signal since it hooks up to my supah-dupah electronic dashboard.

Twas an honest question...... Honestly....

I have been here a long time, and never heard of such a thing, so I questioned the unknown... I know there has been one attempt at replacing a 13 with a 14 ECU is all.... Don't recall the outcome....

Reguardless - I think that Mama Yamma actually does some monitoring of forums, and even if it took this loooooong to get where we are now, self Cancelling Turn Signals will eventually make it to the platform... I mean honestly - with all the screaming about RED, our boys got their RED....

I guess I like to think that Mama Yamma takes their time getting **** to market because they do care about their rep for High Performance and Low Maintenance.... Just look at BMW..... ugh

 

[Madmudder]

There was a thread on this forum where someone mounted a Datel volt meter inside the mirror. Seems like that could be done with a turn signal LED as well.

One that did the Datel mirror thing was admin Ignacio and he provided a nice write-up with pixs. You would need to heat the mirror assy until the mirror can be popped out; mask around an area to strip the reflective material and then glue on the Extra Bright LED. That should drive you nuts at night but the traffic around you would see the turn indication for sure. Much like Muth mirrors and some new cars with built in turn arrows. Muth makes mirror kits and also makes whole mirror assemblies for motorcycles too. Cycle dynamics makes mirrors and Youtube has how-tos.

Do you have a link to the original post?

 

[ionbeam]

There was a thread on this forum where someone mounted a Datel volt meter inside the mirror. Seems like that could be done with a turn signal LED as well.

One that did the Datel mirror thing was admin Ignacio...

Do you have a link to the original post?

Here is the first how-to for the DIM farkle (Datel In Mirror).

 

[Fred W]

Interesting - here is another product.....
https://www.bikevis.com/motorcycle-visual-turn-signal-reminder.html

That's an interesting idea. I mounted a small LED in the fairing of my ZRX, and they worked great. Except .... at night it was way too bright.

That one says it is self dimming in low light situations. Cool.

Exactly. I wonder if it's available in the US. Must check.

Edit:

I've sent an email. Will report back

Says it's available for International order. 39 UK Pounds = $60 delivered.

Should be able to do a lot of backyard engineering for $60.